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In reply to Albatross Necklace • 8:15a, 1/25/24
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Albatross Necklace said:
Andrew Dufresne said:
this tells me we have a ton of converts here..
You have a handful of vocal converts and a lot of people who still support Trump but dont waste their time on message boards arguing about primary where the frontrunner has a 50 point lead.

Did you really expect MAGA supporters to be interested in debates between high heels Ron and Nimarata ?
One of my favorites of the Trump crowd is to say that DeSantis is somehow a sissy for wearing Lucchese cowboy boots that are almost exactly like what Reagan wore and Trump is a Manly Man who wears custom Italian loafers that literally do have lifts in them.

That actually illustrates the OP to me btw. Trump lies with a reckless abandon and gets people to go along with the lies because it makes a good insult. Even when you can show them it is a lie they ignore it because that would mean they would have to admit what he got them to do. It's easier to keep lying and then go after the people trying to tell you the truth.

That's really an issue because there are real issues that being on the side of truth matters but since his credibility was already shot because he lied openly about other things people who already don't like him are going to assume he is still lying. His supporters simply ignore that or don't understand it.

I'll vote for Trump but I'm done with pretending he is something he isn't. He has my vote simply because he is better than the alternative, that's it. The fact he is actively trying to tell people now who already don't like him and are only voting for him because they hate Democrats more that he doesn't want them is just the latest stupidity. A lot of you really wanted this though so I guess we get to FAFO. If he wins, great. Not much will get done but at least we won't go full Socialist. If he loses we are all completely screwed. This is what a lot of you guys wanted so just own it. I will say that continuing to insult conservatives and other Republicans that are on the fence of voting for Trump probably isn't the best strategy though.
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In reply to aggie93 • 8:17a, 1/25/24
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aggie93 said:
Albatross Necklace said:
Andrew Dufresne said:
this tells me we have a ton of converts here..
You have a handful of vocal converts and a lot of people who still support Trump but dont waste their time on message boards arguing about primary where the frontrunner has a 50 point lead.

Did you really expect MAGA supporters to be interested in debates between high heels Ron and Nimarata ?
One of my favorites of the Trump crowd is to say that DeSantis is somehow a sissy for wearing Lucchese cowboy boots that are almost exactly like what Reagan wore and Trump is a Manly Man who wears custom Italian loafers that literally do have lifts in them.

That actually illustrates the OP to me btw. Trump lies with a reckless abandon and gets people to go along with the lies because it makes a good insult. Even when you can show them it is a lie they ignore it because that would mean they would have to admit what he got them to do. It's easier to keep lying and then go after the people trying to tell you the truth.

That's really an issue because there are real issues that being on the side of truth matters but since his credibility was already shot because he lied openly about other things people who already don't like him are going to assume he is still lying. His supporters simply ignore that or don't understand it.

I'll vote for Trump but I'm done with pretending he is something he isn't. He has my vote simply because he is better than the alternative, that's it. The fact he is actively trying to tell people now who already don't like him and are only voting for him because they hate Democrats more that he doesn't want them is just the latest stupidity. A lot of you really wanted this though so I guess we get to FAFO. If he wins, great. Not much will get done but at least we won't go full Socialist. If he loses we are all completely screwed. This is what a lot of you guys wanted so just own it. I will say that continuing to insult conservatives and other Republicans that are on the fence of voting for Trump probably isn't the best strategy though.
Speaking of lies.....
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In reply to Jeeper79 • 8:17a, 1/25/24
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I have never liked Trump and still don't. But he's the only chance we have to get the marxists out of control.
Because he did such a banger job the first time?
He did a better job than Biden/Obama 2.0 has done. Democrats are worthless and their policies are harming our republic far more than anything Trump has ever done. Lesser of the two evils.
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In reply to Slicer97 • 8:22a, 1/25/24
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Slicer97 said:
Jeeper79 said:
Ellis Wyatt said:
I have never liked Trump and still don't. But he's the only chance we have to get the marxists out of control.
Because he did such a banger job the first time?
He did a better job than Biden/Obama 2.0 has done. Democrats are worthless and their policies are harming our republic far more than anything Trump has ever done. Lesser of the two evils.
You miss my point. He's a loser. In the aggregate, Trump and MAGA have and will continue to cede MORE seats to the Dems than other GOP alternatives. How's that getting the marxists out of control?
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In reply to jwhaby • 8:22a, 1/25/24
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jwhaby said:
Trump never lost me. At every new election the clock resets. I assess the viable candidates (not third-party) that are presented and choose the best one for me and my family. I don't get caught up in a historical "baggage". I just make a cold, calculated decision void of feeling…you know, like a rational adult should.


Rational adult, the opposite of Trump.
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In reply to IndividualFreedom • 8:24a, 1/25/24
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IndividualFreedom said:
I think we all agree that DJT is better at operating this nation as the POTUS than oatmeal brains FJB. Correct?


Of those that agree, are you going to vote for DJT, in the general election, if he is the R candidate?


I'm praying he loses the primary so I dont have to vote him.
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In reply to schmellba99 • 8:29a, 1/25/24
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schmellba99 said:
aggie93 said:
Albatross Necklace said:
Andrew Dufresne said:
this tells me we have a ton of converts here..
You have a handful of vocal converts and a lot of people who still support Trump but dont waste their time on message boards arguing about primary where the frontrunner has a 50 point lead.

Did you really expect MAGA supporters to be interested in debates between high heels Ron and Nimarata ?
One of my favorites of the Trump crowd is to say that DeSantis is somehow a sissy for wearing Lucchese cowboy boots that are almost exactly like what Reagan wore and Trump is a Manly Man who wears custom Italian loafers that literally do have lifts in them.

That actually illustrates the OP to me btw. Trump lies with a reckless abandon and gets people to go along with the lies because it makes a good insult. Even when you can show them it is a lie they ignore it because that would mean they would have to admit what he got them to do. It's easier to keep lying and then go after the people trying to tell you the truth.

That's really an issue because there are real issues that being on the side of truth matters but since his credibility was already shot because he lied openly about other things people who already don't like him are going to assume he is still lying. His supporters simply ignore that or don't understand it.

I'll vote for Trump but I'm done with pretending he is something he isn't. He has my vote simply because he is better than the alternative, that's it. The fact he is actively trying to tell people now who already don't like him and are only voting for him because they hate Democrats more that he doesn't want them is just the latest stupidity. A lot of you really wanted this though so I guess we get to FAFO. If he wins, great. Not much will get done but at least we won't go full Socialist. If he loses we are all completely screwed. This is what a lot of you guys wanted so just own it. I will say that continuing to insult conservatives and other Republicans that are on the fence of voting for Trump probably isn't the best strategy though.
Speaking of lies.....
Lol, if I could vote for McCain, Romney, and Dole I can sure as hell vote for Trump AGAIN. I love that out of all of that your first instinct was to call me a liar and completely miss the point.
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8:32a, 1/25/24
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He didn't...have a lot of respect for a man who endured what he endured from the establishment trying to blow up his presidency at every turn...literally tried to impeach him for a phone call, and then Biden when and gave Ukraine a bunch of freebies anyway...

Tried to short circuit his candidacy with a fake dossier that was championed by our own intel folks...

The fact he was able to accomplish what he did in spite of literally the entire DC complex setting landmines at every turn is quite astonishing... And then continuing to weaponize the Justice Dept against him after leaving office...just absolutely unprecedented...I'd be pissed too...

Ultimately, DeSantis was the better conservative contender, and he was defintely more polished and acted more "presidential"...side with him on issues more than anyone...

But at the end of the day, I'll take Trump over literally anything the Left/Marxists/Progressives want to try to put in office...
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8:35a, 1/25/24
Trump never had me. He was one of the last seven presidents that I held my nose and voted for.

We really need to fix the primary process.

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In reply to shiftyandquick • 8:35a, 1/25/24
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Jan 6 and fake election claims.
Pretty sure you voted for Biden 11/2020 before 1/6/21 or "fake" election claims.
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In reply to Agasaurus Tex • 8:36a, 1/25/24
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He dodged the draft during the Vietnam war. I don't understand how anyone who was drafted and served could vote for this coward.
So did Biden, so get off your high horse.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/16/fact-check-biden-received-multiple-draft-deferments-vietnam/5809482002/
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8:37a, 1/25/24
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It's sad to see supposedly educated people believing unsourced media lies about Trump. Suckers, losers, disabled parade...all anonymous sources or sources close to the situation.
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8:37a, 1/25/24
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He definitely lost me in 2020, but he started losing my vote then, too. I genuinely don't think we will be in a better place in 20 years if he gets in office. Yes, he is theoretically better than Biden on policy positions, but he also is like the kid who is going to score goals in his own team because he gets turned around. His weaknesses are such that we are probably better on defense than on offense when he has the ball.

Never voting for a Democrat, but also not going to vote for Trump.
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8:39a, 1/25/24
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This is a great example of what happens to you eventually if you support Trump. This guy was a hardcore Trump supporter who was at the NH Victory Party after knocking 12,000 Doors for Trump. He was at Jan 6. Unfortunately he took a picture with Trump's lawyer and posted it. He didn't realize that she had lied to the Judge in Trump's Court Case that she had a Fever and Covid and thus needed a delay in the trial when the real reason was she wanted to go to the NH Victory Party. Kid was just excited to see Trump's lawyer and take a picture. Now he is excommunicated.

Here is the pic and the video of him being kicked out:




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8:42a, 1/25/24
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He never "had" me. I am fully cognizant of what he is, nevertheless, given the alternative (at this point), I will vote for him again. Any other action would be against my own interests.
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8:42a, 1/25/24
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I thought his candidacy was actual fraud/joke in 2015/2016. I think he thought it was a joke and was just trying to pump up his brand but then morons actually started to consider his schtick to be real. A New Yorker born on third base pretending to be some kind of economic wizard when all he is is King of the Grift.

He has been grifting off the Presidency ever since. Now he's a cornered mafia-style schmuck whose only hope to avoid jail is to get elected President again. He is now absolutely desperate and will do or say anything to get reelected to avoid prison. He wipes his ass with the Constitution and calls it fighting the "Deep State."
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In reply to aggie93 • 8:44a, 1/25/24
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aggie93 said:
This is a great example of what happens to you eventually if you support Trump. This guy was a hardcore Trump supporter who was at the NH Victory Party after knocking 12,000 Doors for Trump. He was at Jan 6. Unfortunately he took a picture with Trump's lawyer and posted it. He didn't realize that she had lied to the Judge in Trump's Court Case that she had a Fever and Covid and thus needed a delay in the trial when the real reason was she wanted to go to the NH Victory Party. Kid was just excited to see Trump's lawyer and take a picture. Now he is excommunicated.

Here is the pic and the video of him being kicked out:




That's awful! I am voting for the socialist!
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 8:45a, 1/25/24
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GeorgiAg said:
I thought his candidacy was actual fraud/joke in 2015/2016. I think he thought it was a joke and was just trying to pump up his brand but then morons actually started to consider his schtick to be real. A New Yorker born on third base pretending to be some kind of economic wizard when all he is is King of the Grift.

He has been grifting off the Presidency ever since. Now he's a cornered mafia-style schmuck whose only hope to avoid jail is to get elected President again. He is now absolutely desperate and will do or say anything to get reelected to avoid prison. He wipes his ass with the Constitution and calls it fighting the "Deep State."
Avoid prison for…what?

Comparatively, how do you feel about the Biden familia and their CCP/Russian paymasters, or the invasion, or the economy, or…?

Also, did you vote for Fani?
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In reply to aggie93 • 8:45a, 1/25/24
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aggie93 said:
This is a great example of what happens to you eventually if you support Trump. This guy was a hardcore Trump supporter who was at the NH Victory Party after knocking 12,000 Doors for Trump. He was at Jan 6. Unfortunately he took a picture with Trump's lawyer and posted it. He didn't realize that she had lied to the Judge in Trump's Court Case that she had a Fever and Covid and thus needed a delay in the trial when the real reason was she wanted to go to the NH Victory Party. Kid was just excited to see Trump's lawyer and take a picture. Now he is excommunicated.

Here is the pic and the video of him being kicked out:




Taking that at face value, that is absolute insanity.

But the response from MAGA will be 'still better than biden' and 'mean tweets'
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 8:45a, 1/25/24
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GeorgiAg said:
I thought his candidacy was actual fraud/joke in 2015/2016. I think he thought it was a joke and was just trying to pump up his brand but then morons actually started to consider his schtick to be real. A New Yorker born on third base pretending to be some kind of economic wizard when all he is is King of the Grift.

He has been grifting off the Presidency ever since. Now he's a cornered mafia-style schmuck whose only hope to avoid jail is to get elected President again. He is now absolutely desperate and will do or say anything to get reelected to avoid prison. He wipes his ass with the Constitution and calls it fighting the "Deep State."
Give ONE example of Trump wiping his ass with the Constitution and I will 1) prove you wrong, and 2) give you TWO examples from the Hussein and Xiden regimes of ACTUALLY doing it.
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In reply to Andrew Dufresne • 8:46a, 1/25/24
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If you were to go back in time a few years you'd notice that this board was once 80%+ MAGA..

Now, fast forward to today and this board is seemingly 80%+ against MAGA...

this tells me we have a ton of converts here..

So.. tell me, convert.. what moment caused you to jump off of the "Trump Train" ?
There is a difference between MAGA which I am

and Trumpism, which I am not a part of.

MAGA was something literally stated by Ronald Reagan in 1980

Trump is a populist immature narcissist.

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In reply to agsalaska • 8:46a, 1/25/24
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Taking that at face value, that is absolute insanity.

But the response from MAGA will be 'still better than biden' and 'mean tweets'
Which is 100% fact and very good reason to vote for Trump anyway.
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8:48a, 1/25/24
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It was the summer between 7th and 8th grade, when my level of mental maturity advanced beyond his.
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In reply to WHOOP!'91 • 8:53a, 1/25/24
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WHOOP!'91 said:
aggie93 said:
This is a great example of what happens to you eventually if you support Trump. This guy was a hardcore Trump supporter who was at the NH Victory Party after knocking 12,000 Doors for Trump. He was at Jan 6. Unfortunately he took a picture with Trump's lawyer and posted it. He didn't realize that she had lied to the Judge in Trump's Court Case that she had a Fever and Covid and thus needed a delay in the trial when the real reason was she wanted to go to the NH Victory Party. Kid was just excited to see Trump's lawyer and take a picture. Now he is excommunicated.

Here is the pic and the video of him being kicked out:




That's awful! I am voting for the socialist!
No, still voting for Trump but not because I want to or because I don't recognize him for what he is. It is idiocy like this though that certainly isn't helping him win the election but please keep attacking the messenger. I simply choose to live in reality.

Damn he picked a moron of an attorney though but I guess he is running out of folks that are still willing to represent him.
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8:55a, 1/25/24
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Trump didn't lose me. I couldn't vote for the scumbag the first time around even against the witch Hillary. I just refused to vote. I have never liked him and like him less now than ever. He is a despicable human and a worldwide embarrassment to this country. He's not very smart and is clearly slipping a little with advancing age. However, I appreciated most of his policies during his presidential term and held my nose and voted for him the second time around because Biden is worse in every way. I despise Trump but would likely vote for him again especially if the only other real option is Biden or Harris.
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In reply to WHOOP!'91 • 8:57a, 1/25/24
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WHOOP!'91 said:
GeorgiAg said:
I thought his candidacy was actual fraud/joke in 2015/2016. I think he thought it was a joke and was just trying to pump up his brand but then morons actually started to consider his schtick to be real. A New Yorker born on third base pretending to be some kind of economic wizard when all he is is King of the Grift.

He has been grifting off the Presidency ever since. Now he's a cornered mafia-style schmuck whose only hope to avoid jail is to get elected President again. He is now absolutely desperate and will do or say anything to get reelected to avoid prison. He wipes his ass with the Constitution and calls it fighting the "Deep State."
Give ONE example of Trump wiping his ass with the Constitution and I will 1) prove you wrong, and 2) give you TWO examples from the Hussein and Xiden regimes of ACTUALLY doing it.
Remember when he organized a rally in Washington DC for the day of the certification of the vote for an election he lost and was urging his VP to defy the Constitution and refuse - then he sent his mob of miscreants to the Capitol to exert pressure to defy the constitution? They were threatening to hang the VP?

"oh but he won the election because of widespread cheating (we can't prove)" - MAGA.

"member when he called election officials in Georgia to get them to "find the votes."

"member when he took classified docs, then unlike Pence and Biden who cooperated and returned the docs, not only was uncooperative, but actively tried to conceal them from, and lied to, the U.S. Government?
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In reply to Bearpitbull • 8:58a, 1/25/24
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When he said he didn't like prisoners of war. When I was a kid, that would have gotten you an ass kicking.
this was always insane

the son of a millionaire in New York who dodged the draft during a war and went to college instead of serving his country- then makes fun of actual war heroes who spent years in vile POW camps being tortured.

WTF
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WHOOP!'91 said:
It's sad to see supposedly educated people believing unsourced media lies about Trump. Suckers, losers, disabled parade...all anonymous sources or sources close to the situation.


Man, the deception is deep with you trumpers. Yall are more and more like progressives. Avoid facts at all costs and push a narrative no one believes.
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9:02a, 1/25/24
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I have never really liked Trump. Narcissistic, ugly, orange, bombastic, retaliatory and not classy at all. I have never really liked wrecking balls either. I've never seen a wrecking ball I thought was beautiful, melodious, harmonious or constructive either. Trump '24.
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In reply to tremble • 9:02a, 1/25/24
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Congratulations, you have handed the victory to Biden!
Well, no. I am going to vote against Biden. You?
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In reply to IndividualFreedom • 9:04a, 1/25/24
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IndividualFreedom said:
I think we all agree that DJT is better at operating this nation as the POTUS than oatmeal brains FJB. Correct?


Of those that agree, are you going to vote for DJT, in the general election, if he is the R candidate?


Yes, he's less terrible than Biden. No, I won't vote for him in the general election. I live in Texas, and Trump (or whoever the R candidate is if by some miracle he doesn't get the nomination) will win Texas. So I will vote for whoever I think the best candidate is. I don't have to pick between the 2 major party candidates. And maybe a significantly low showing for Trump in Texas would at least help signal my dissatisfaction. If I lived in a swing state that would probably change my thinking.
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In reply to Andrew Dufresne • 9:07a, 1/25/24
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If you were to go back in time a few years you'd notice that this board was once 80%+ MAGA..

Now, fast forward to today and this board is seemingly 80%+ against MAGA...

this tells me we have a ton of converts here..

So.. tell me, convert.. what moment caused you to jump off of the "Trump Train" ?
Sometime in mid-1988, when I read "The Art of the Deal" and realized what a total scumbag he was.

Nothing has changed my mind in the intervening four decades.
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In reply to Ogre09 • 9:08a, 1/25/24
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IndividualFreedom said:
I think we all agree that DJT is better at operating this nation as the POTUS than oatmeal brains FJB. Correct?


Of those that agree, are you going to vote for DJT, in the general election, if he is the R candidate?
Yes, he's less terrible than Biden. No, I won't vote for him in the general election. I live in Texas, and Trump (or whoever the R candidate is if by some miracle he doesn't get the nomination) will win Texas. So I will vote for whoever I think the best candidate is. I don't have to pick between the 2 major party candidates. And maybe a significantly low showing for Trump in Texas would at least help signal my dissatisfaction. If I lived in a swing state that would probably change my thinking.
A sane response. You will be insulted for it.
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In reply to Tea Party • 9:09a, 1/25/24
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Tea Party said:
The covid year. He caved to peer pressure and let big gov win in a terrible way.

I'm still voting for him in the primary and general.
This right here. The whole COVID thing was a disaster we will never recover from. We could've used some real leadership and he was in charge. Instead we got Fauci and the vax forced on us. And the time for him to "stop the steal" was COVID. It was used by the democrats to beat him. But, alas, the 3D chess master just played right into their hands.
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In reply to AgNav93 • 9:11a, 1/25/24
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alas, the 3D chess master just played right into their hands.
And what's your favorite flavor of freedom or fiscal responsibility that Joe Biden has brought to the country since his inauguration?
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