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Desantis actually has a ground game and is quite visible on the trail. Trump is/has none of those things.

Desantis has a solid, conservative record and is a proven leader. Trump isn't any of that.

I believe the GOP is smarter than giving the Dems a gimme by selecting a losing liberal lIke Trump. Maybe that's misplaced trust.

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Well I intend to vote for Desantis in the primary, but unless we're getting a lot of bad information, he's not gonna make it.
And ETA: I'm not sure the GOP is smarter

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We're not getting information, though. To date, it's all polls, which are literally made-up fodder for tards. Zero actual elections. Those are the only "polls" that mean anything.

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Ok Rob, but you better pace yourself and brace yourself.

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Thanks, I'm good. I'm too busy working, to make money, to pay for all the overpriced **** that Trump's and Biden's fiscal liberalism caused.

Just say "No!" to liberals.

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I'm gonna say no to them with my one vote. It's all I got.

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If you post on here, I'm going to exercise my paid freedom to reply.

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I have NO problem with that. Just give it a rest on convincing me to vote trump.

Thats not how this works. If you post your position, im responding. Just like people do mine.

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If you post on here, I'm going to exercise my paid freedom to reply.

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I have NO problem with that. Just give it a rest on convincing me to vote trump.

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Or you could keep trying , lol. I can't stop you from it , even though I let you know I'm not voting for him.

The debate is for the sum benefit of others. I dont care who you vote for, but i will try and minimize your influence.

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Your position is Trump put liberals on the Supreme Court? OK compare his pics versus the one Biden put on there.

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So there is a sliding scale. Are you suggesting there is a level of lib you are OK with?

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Did I miss your answer to the question that,"Your position is Trump put liberals on the Supreme Court?"

Which nominees he made that got in the Supreme Court were/are liberals?

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..............or maybe we really don't. That said, had a few good discussions with my wife, friends and colleagues over holiday libations the last few days and most of us agreed on this.

It is time for Generation X to run this country. It's well past time for the Boomers to go on permanent vacation and for Y and Z to see that X knows what it's doing.

My peer group finds it absolutely amazing that we are heading in to a national election and the most likely scenario is that two geriatrics are going head to head. This is the really the best we can do? This is the best we have to offer? What does the rest of the world even think looking at this sh** show?

The 2024 Election should be Gavin Newsom vs. Ron DeSantis. Even Newsom vs. Haley. Or Newsom vs. DeSantis/Haley. This election should pit California/New York against Texas/Florida. Republicans and Democrats should be demanding this. Yet we don't. Why? For better or worse, this is the future of the country. This is the battle for the soul of America. The other 46 matter, for certain, but they are details. Align behind one side or the other.

I don't like Newsom at any level. But he is smart, accomplished, young(er), and yes, good looking and charismatic. And successful.

I very much like DeSantis. He is young, a great family man, has served our country with distinction, his success in Florida is without question, and he is tenacious, smart, and driven. Sure, he's a little dry. Oh well.

This fight should be exactly what America demands for the future of this nation because this is the future of this nation. As much as I loathe Newsom, at least he is competent and on point. He can lead. Clearly the same for DeSantis and Haley. By contrast we are going to elect one of two morally deficient old men, one who has no idea what planet he's on and the other that is so consumed with himself he cares only for who kisses his ring.

If either Biden or Trump genuinely cared about the future of country they would back out and endorse both of these governors. Again, for better or worse, let them fight it out and let the chips fly. I would sleep very well at night with Ron in the White House. I would be somewhat less embarrassed to be an American with Newsom in charge than Biden.

Two other points.

Literally no one in this country except democrat voting geriatrics believe Biden is running anything.

Anyone with a functioning brain knows that Trump wouldn't be running the show either. It's almost as if some powers that be benefit from figure head leaders who really don't lead sh**.

We deserve a real fight by two competent candidates representing the future of the country, for better or worse. What we currently have is an absolute cluster F joke.

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You think Trump's ego would allow himself to be a puppet?

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BigRobSA said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Desantis actually has a ground game and is quite visible on the trail. Trump is/has none of those things.

Desantis has a solid, conservative record and is a proven leader. Trump isn't any of that.

I believe the GOP is smarter than giving the Dems a gimme by selecting a losing liberal lIke Trump. Maybe that's misplaced trust.

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Well I intend to vote for Desantis in the primary, but unless we're getting a lot of bad information, he's not gonna make it.
And ETA: I'm not sure the GOP is smarter

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We're not getting information, though. To date, it's all polls, which are literally made-up fodder for tards. Zero actual elections. Those are the only "polls" that mean anything.

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Ok Rob, but you better pace yourself and brace yourself.

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Thanks, I'm good. I'm too busy working, to make money, to pay for all the overpriced **** that Trump's and Biden's fiscal liberalism caused.

Just say "No!" to liberals.

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I'm gonna say no to them with my one vote. It's all I got.

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Me, too. By not voting for either Biden (progressive lib) or Trump (lib).

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Urban Ag said:

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..............or maybe we really don't. That said, had a few good discussions with my wife, friends and colleagues over holiday libations the last few days and most of us agreed on this.

It is time for Generation X to run this country. It's well past time for the Boomers to go on permanent vacation and for Y and Z to see that X knows what it's doing.

My peer group finds it absolutely amazing that we are heading in to a national election and the most likely scenario is that two geriatrics are going head to head. This is the really the best we can do? This is the best we have to offer? What does the rest of the world even think looking at this sh** show?

The 2024 Election should be Gavin Newsom vs. Ron DeSantis. Even Newsom vs. Haley. Or Newsom vs. DeSantis/Haley. This election should pit California/New York against Texas/Florida. Republicans and Democrats should be demanding this. Yet we don't. Why? For better or worse, this is the future of the country. This is the battle for the soul of America. The other 46 matter, for certain, but they are details. Align behind one side or the other.

I don't like Newsom at any level. But he is smart, accomplished, young(er), and yes, good looking and charismatic. And successful.

I very much like DeSantis. He is young, a great family man, has served our country with distinction, his success in Florida is without question, and he is tenacious, smart, and driven. Sure, he's a little dry. Oh well.

This fight should be exactly what America demands for the future of this nation because this is the future of this nation. As much as I loathe Newsom, at least he is competent and on point. He can lead. Clearly the same for DeSantis and Haley. By contrast we are going to elect one of two morally deficient old men, one who has no idea what planet he's on and the other that is so consumed with himself he cares only for who kisses his ring.

If either Biden or Trump genuinely cared about the future of country they would back out and endorse both of these governors. Again, for better or worse, let them fight it out and let the chips fly. I would sleep very well at night with Ron in the White House. I would be somewhat less embarrassed to be an American with Newsom in charge than Biden.

Two other points.

Literally no one in this country except democrat voting geriatrics believe Biden is running anything.

Anyone with a functioning brain knows that Trump wouldn't be running the show either. It's almost as if some powers that be benefit from figure head leaders who really don't lead sh**.

We deserve a real fight by two competent candidates representing the future of the country, for better or worse. What we currently have is an absolute cluster F joke.

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You think Trump's ego would allow himself to be a puppet?

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No, but even when he wasn't showing signs of dementia, he was too stupid NOT to be very "persuadable".

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You think Trump's ego would allow himself to be a puppet?

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So here is the conundrum... was he in charge during Covid or was Fauci?

Such a powerful vote, that 2% is.

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Rockdoc said:

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BigRobSA said:

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Rockdoc said:

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Desantis actually has a ground game and is quite visible on the trail. Trump is/has none of those things.

Desantis has a solid, conservative record and is a proven leader. Trump isn't any of that.

I believe the GOP is smarter than giving the Dems a gimme by selecting a losing liberal lIke Trump. Maybe that's misplaced trust.

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Well I intend to vote for Desantis in the primary, but unless we're getting a lot of bad information, he's not gonna make it.
And ETA: I'm not sure the GOP is smarter

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We're not getting information, though. To date, it's all polls, which are literally made-up fodder for tards. Zero actual elections. Those are the only "polls" that mean anything.

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Ok Rob, but you better pace yourself and brace yourself.

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Thanks, I'm good. I'm too busy working, to make money, to pay for all the overpriced **** that Trump's and Biden's fiscal liberalism caused.

Just say "No!" to liberals.

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I'm gonna say no to them with my one vote. It's all I got.

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Me, too. By not voting for either Biden (progressive lib) or Trump (lib).

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If that's what makes you feel better, go for it.

It's gonna be Kamala for the Democrats and Obama isn't it?

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It's gonna be Kamala for the Democrats and Obama isn't it?

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KamalObama might be the only candidate Trump could beat, even from his basement. Biden would beat him, again. Newsome would mushroom stamp him.

Especially if never trumpers write in worthless 3rd party candidates.

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Especially if never trumpers write in worthless 3rd party candidates.

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Not a neverTrumper. I'm #NeverLiberal.


You should try it.

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Especially if never trumpers write in worthless 3rd party candidates.

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Not a neverTrumper. I'm #NeverLiberal.


You should try it.

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I just think this position of yours is asinine.

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Especially if never trumpers write in worthless 3rd party candidates.

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Not a neverTrumper. I'm #NeverLiberal.


You should try it.

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I just think this position of yours is asinine.

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I think saying "I'm conservative." and voting contrary to that is asinine. Which is what a vote for Trump or Biden is.

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Especially if never trumpers write in worthless 3rd party candidates.

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Not a neverTrumper. I'm #NeverLiberal.


You should try it.

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I just think this position of yours is asinine.

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I think saying "I'm conservative." and voting contrary to that is asinine. Which is what a vote for Trump or Biden is.

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And you've ignore the Scotus question the entire way.

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Especially if never trumpers write in worthless 3rd party candidates.

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Not a neverTrumper. I'm #NeverLiberal.


You should try it.

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I just think this position of yours is asinine.

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I think saying "I'm conservative." and voting contrary to that is asinine. Which is what a vote for Trump or Biden is.

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And you've ignore the Scotus question the entire way.

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No, I haven't. I hope DeSantis gets in. That way we can have a knowledgeable conservative pick the justices, shoukd that arise.

Trump did ok, but all he did is open a HF list and point.

I'd rather see a conservative pick than either Trump or Biden.

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So the derpy "your vote is a vote for Biden" is dumber than the basic premise is normally.

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The 'your third-party vote is actually a vote for the guy I don't like' argument may be one of the lamest and most unintellectual on this board.

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But when Biden replaces Thomas with some uber lib, he'll get to say "dont blame me I wrote in Desantis"

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You think Biden will win ?

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The next president will be either the candidate of the dimtard/commie party or the rino/conservative party. All the third party candidate can do is tilt the vote toward one party or the other. Politicians are a personality type so you better vote for desired results. If after watching the dimtards trying to ruin our country with unfettered immigration you don't know who to vote for, God help you!

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Such a powerful vote, that 2% is.

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I really can't blame him. I was going to throw a vote at Trump or DeSantis. Think I'll just stay home, sip scotch, and watch the world burn. F- this stupid election BS.

But if its Biden or Trump picking the justices who is the better option for the court?

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So the derpy "your vote is a vote for Biden" is dumber than the basic premise is normally.

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The 'your third-party vote is actually a vote for the guy I don't like' argument may be one of the lamest and most unintellectual on this board.

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But when Biden replaces Thomas with some uber lib, he'll get to say "dont blame me I wrote in Desantis"

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You think Biden will win ?

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The next president will be either the candidate of the dimtard/commie party or the rino/conservative party. All the third party candidate can do is tilt the vote toward one party or the other. Politicians are a personality type so you better vote for desired results. If after watching the dimtards trying to ruin our country with unfettered immigration you don't know who to vote for, God help you!

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If there is anybody that doesn't know who they will vote for by now... God help them. I'm voting third party or write in. I remember the last 2 clowns that we elected.

Which on was better for the courts?

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Which on was better for the courts?

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Trump's 3 were each better than Biden's 1, imo.

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Your position is Trump put liberals on the Supreme Court? OK compare his pics versus the one Biden put on there.

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So there is a sliding scale. Are you suggesting there is a level of lib you are OK with?

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Did I miss your answer to the question that,"Your position is Trump put liberals on the Supreme Court?"

Which nominees he made that got in the Supreme Court were/are liberals?

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I didn't say Trump put libs on the court; it's other posters who did previously on this thread (I believe, just too lazy to double-check) and on many others.


That being said, making nominations for SCOTUS is just one pretty light responsibly of the President. If the possible expectation to pick a SCOTUS seats is the only thing going for a candidate - not policy, vision, or actionable ideas - is that candidate really the right choice?

I started this argument bc I was tired of hearing that trump is just as bad as biden.

I was making a point (and its hardly a light one) that there are differentiators.

SCOTUS is one of the 3 branches of government and we have an opportunity to keep it out of the dems hands for the next 20 years.

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I started this argument bc I was tired of hearing that trump is just as bad as biden.

I was making a point (and its hardly a light one) that there are differentiators.

SCOTUS is one of the 3 branches of government and we have an opportunity to keep it out of the dems hands for the next 20 years.

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Trump on policy is better than Biden. Considering Trump is destroying conservatism (the only defense against liberals) from within, he is just as bad if not worse long-term than Biden.

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I started this argument bc I was tired of hearing that trump is just as bad as biden.

I was making a point (and its hardly a light one) that there are differentiators.

SCOTUS is one of the 3 branches of government and we have an opportunity to keep it out of the dems hands for the next 20 years.

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Trump on policy is better than Biden. Considering Trump is destroying conservatism (the only defense against liberals) from within, he is just as bad if not worse long-term than Biden.

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Well, we know who the Bushes voted for in 2016 and 2020. I'd say conservatives running in the president slot haven't been on the two-party ballot in a long, long time.

I'm trying to understand how you are arriving at that, but I'm struggling. Give me a couple examples?

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Your position is Trump put liberals on the Supreme Court? OK compare his pics versus the one Biden put on there.

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So there is a sliding scale. Are you suggesting there is a level of lib you are OK with?

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Did I miss your answer to the question that,"Your position is Trump put liberals on the Supreme Court?"

Which nominees he made that got in the Supreme Court were/are liberals?

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I didn't say Trump put libs on the court; it's other posters who did previously on this thread (I believe, just too lazy to double-check) and on many others.


That being said, making nominations for SCOTUS is just one pretty light responsibly of the President. If the possible expectation to pick a SCOTUS seats is the only thing going for a candidate - not policy, vision, or actionable ideas - is that candidate really the right choice?

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My apologies for attributing that statement to you.

I would disagree with your statement, "making nominations for SCOTUS is just one pretty light responsibly of the President.". I would place this high on the list, if not the highest, regarding maintaining the tenets of the Constitution and rule of law.

ETA: There are 2 on the Supreme Court that do not know the law, understand the law and do not believe in the Constitution as written.

• Justice Sonia Sotomayor
• Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson

I don't get the negativity toward boomers. Yes, I am one. But to me the corruption of thought seems greater the younger the generation is. 25 year olds don't even believe there is objective truth. They think truth is whatever your truth happens to be. This is subjective truth. I think all the downing of boomers on here is just another form of TDS.

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I'm trying to understand how you are arriving at that, but I'm struggling. Give me a couple examples?

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Trump has taken conservatism towards populism. He has liberal viewpoints on spending, social security/Medicare, guns, abortion, free markets, subsidies, etc. His base tends to vote for his personality and doesn't even realize he is turning them more liberal. Suddenly, you have a large segment of former conservatives that are defending the very things they fought against 10 years ago. All because Trump said them.

That doesn't even touch on the fact that he has created a schism in the party between more traditional conservatives and the MAGA crowd (see the current Cruz and Chip Roy debacle). Ensuring that Republicans are divided and weak.