Ford cuts planned 2024 production of electric F-150 Lightning in half https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/11/f-150-lightning-ford-cuts-2024-production-plans-in-half.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard
Muy said:
China won't be happy about this
Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
When my dad started showing early signs of dementia, he managed to total his car by driving it through a neighbor's bedroom. We didn't let him drive again, obviously. Yet Xiden's handlers think it a good idea to allow this drooling bozo to get behind the wheel of anything bigger than a Big Wheel?fka ftc said:
I think they chose a poor spokesperson for its introduction.
Maybe Kamala's endorsement would have worked better?
Hertz is likely headed right back into bankruptcy over their splurge on Teslas.HollywoodBQ said:
Compare and contrast:
I've only seen 3 of the EV Lightning F-150s on the road, ever.
Meanwhile, Ford can't seem to keep up with production of 6G Broncos. Even coming out with a Bronco Raptor.
The market demand is there for one but not the other. There are only so many EV gadget guys out there.
As the risk of doing someone's job for them, I'll remind you this is a brand problem and not indicative of EVs as a whole.Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
Surely the guy in the passenger seat or one of the Ford observers had a hand on the kill switch.Cinco Ranch Aggie said:When my dad started showing early signs of dementia, he managed to total his car by driving it through a neighbor's bedroom. We didn't let him drive again, obviously. Yet Xiden's handlers think it a good idea to allow this drooling bozo to get behind the wheel of anything bigger than a Big Wheel?fka ftc said:
I think they chose a poor spokesperson for its introduction.
Maybe Kamala's endorsement would have worked better?
HollywoodBQ said:
Compare and contrast:
I've only seen 3 of the EV Lightning F-150s on the road, ever.
Meanwhile, Ford can't seem to keep up with production of 6G Broncos. Even coming out with a Bronco Raptor.
The market demand is there for one but not the other. There are only so many EV gadget guys out there.
Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
I thought it stood a chance because it looked relatively like a normal pickup. And the way most people use a truck as a grocery getter or a commuter car, it will probably work just fine. But then that one YouTube channel (Hoovie's Garage?) tried to tow boat with one. I think that killed any buzz it ever had.No Spin Ag said:HollywoodBQ said:
Compare and contrast:
I've only seen 3 of the EV Lightning F-150s on the road, ever.
Meanwhile, Ford can't seem to keep up with production of 6G Broncos. Even coming out with a Bronco Raptor.
The market demand is there for one but not the other. There are only so many EV gadget guys out there.
Ford seemed to do a Bud Light with the F-150 Lightning. At least from what I've experienced in my lifetime, your typical F-150 owner isn't going to be confused for a Whole Foods shopping Starbucks drinking tree hugger. So while the Lightning generated buzz, I never saw how it was going to be selling anywhere near other EVs, much less a Tesla.
torrid said:As the risk of doing someone's job for them, I'll remind you this is a brand problem and not indicative of EVs as a whole.Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
deddog said:Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
I don't know about EV in general but there is ZERO reason to buy an EV Ford or GM. They have never got their **** together on ICE vehicles, why trust them on EVs?
JUST IN — Average days on lot by vehicle type:
— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) December 8, 2023
EVs: 72 days
ICE: 57 days
Hybrid: 39 days (!)
Hybrids are *extremely* hot right now.
(Data from sponsoring partner @FullpathCDXP)
aggie93 said:
I'm not an EV guy but if I were I would buy a Tesla. Just a far superior product than other EV's. Tesla is doing just fine but many others simply aren't selling. People do like hybrids though and if companies were smart that's where they would focus. I'm looking at getting a Tundra in the next couple of years and considered their hybrid btw but it doesn't seem to really help much with gas mileage with the price increase so they still haven't figured out how to make it work on heavy vehicles, it really just gives it a power boost.
If I still needed a commuter car I'd definitely love a hybrid and would consider a Tesla. Both my wife and I WFH though so it makes no sense for me. I also have my sons driving older F150s because I have already been to 2 funerals for kids who graduated in my son's HS class from car accidents (have a Ranch Hand on one and will probably put one on the other). They both paid for about half and will get to keep them. They both also like to hunt and fish and mountain bike so trucks just make a lot more sense. Makes me rest a lot better thinking about my son driving 4 hours home from college.
Cybertruck is cool but it's a pavement princess. I couldn't care less about being a race car or being bulletproof. I want the ability to find fuel anywhere and to be able to get over rougher terrain and I like a truck to look like a truck.
These stats don't include Tesla:JUST IN — Average days on lot by vehicle type:
— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) December 8, 2023
EVs: 72 days
ICE: 57 days
Hybrid: 39 days (!)
Hybrids are *extremely* hot right now.
(Data from sponsoring partner @FullpathCDXP)
Except that so far only Tesla seems to have figured out how to put an affordable, semi-reliable vehicle out on the road. The EVs from the Big 3 are POS, and the smaller makers are crazy expensive.torrid said:As the risk of doing someone's job for them, I'll remind you this is a brand problem and not indicative of EVs as a whole.Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
They should have left it as a trade show concept car.No Spin Ag said:HollywoodBQ said:
Compare and contrast:
I've only seen 3 of the EV Lightning F-150s on the road, ever.
Meanwhile, Ford can't seem to keep up with production of 6G Broncos. Even coming out with a Bronco Raptor.
The market demand is there for one but not the other. There are only so many EV gadget guys out there.
Ford seemed to do a Bud Light with the F-150 Lightning. At least from what I've experienced in my lifetime, your typical F-150 owner isn't going to be confused for a Whole Foods shopping Starbucks drinking tree hugger. So while the Lightning generated buzz, I never saw how it was going to be selling anywhere near other EVs, much less a Tesla.
Yeah...even if the F150 owners don't ever do any towing, they want the ABILITY to do it if they have to...torrid said:I thought it stood a chance because it looked relatively like a normal pickup. And the way most people use a truck as a grocery getter or a commuter car, it will probably work just fine. But then that one YouTube channel (Hoovie's Garage?) tried to tow boat with one. I think that killed any buzz it ever had.No Spin Ag said:HollywoodBQ said:
Compare and contrast:
I've only seen 3 of the EV Lightning F-150s on the road, ever.
Meanwhile, Ford can't seem to keep up with production of 6G Broncos. Even coming out with a Bronco Raptor.
The market demand is there for one but not the other. There are only so many EV gadget guys out there.
Ford seemed to do a Bud Light with the F-150 Lightning. At least from what I've experienced in my lifetime, your typical F-150 owner isn't going to be confused for a Whole Foods shopping Starbucks drinking tree hugger. So while the Lightning generated buzz, I never saw how it was going to be selling anywhere near other EVs, much less a Tesla.
Oh no, we get it.Teslag said:torrid said:As the risk of doing someone's job for them, I'll remind you this is a brand problem and not indicative of EVs as a whole.Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
Yep, but they won't get that.
HollywoodBQ said:They should have left it as a trade show concept car.No Spin Ag said:HollywoodBQ said:
Compare and contrast:
I've only seen 3 of the EV Lightning F-150s on the road, ever.
Meanwhile, Ford can't seem to keep up with production of 6G Broncos. Even coming out with a Bronco Raptor.
The market demand is there for one but not the other. There are only so many EV gadget guys out there.
Ford seemed to do a Bud Light with the F-150 Lightning. At least from what I've experienced in my lifetime, your typical F-150 owner isn't going to be confused for a Whole Foods shopping Starbucks drinking tree hugger. So while the Lightning generated buzz, I never saw how it was going to be selling anywhere near other EVs, much less a Tesla.
I'd put it like this, Tesla is perceived as a luxury brand while GM, Ford, etc. are known for producing crappy fleet vehicles.DrEvazanPhD said:Except that so far only Tesla seems to have figured out how to put an affordable, semi-reliable vehicle out on the road. The EVs from the Big 3 are POS, and the smaller makers are crazy expensive.torrid said:As the risk of doing someone's job for them, I'll remind you this is a brand problem and not indicative of EVs as a whole.Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
Or McDs...which has much better tasting coffee.HollywoodBQ said:Oh no, we get it.Teslag said:torrid said:As the risk of doing someone's job for them, I'll remind you this is a brand problem and not indicative of EVs as a whole.Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
Yep, but they won't get that.
A Tesla is the $7 Starbucks coffee of the automotive world.
Go to any airport and look at the queue for SBUX when there's no line at Seattle's Best right across the concourse.
I don't think they wanted to damage the reputation of Cadillac...HollywoodBQ said:I'd put it like this, Tesla is perceived as a luxury brand while GM, Ford, etc. are known for producing crappy fleet vehicles.DrEvazanPhD said:Except that so far only Tesla seems to have figured out how to put an affordable, semi-reliable vehicle out on the road. The EVs from the Big 3 are POS, and the smaller makers are crazy expensive.torrid said:As the risk of doing someone's job for them, I'll remind you this is a brand problem and not indicative of EVs as a whole.Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
If GM was smart, they would have only produced Cadillac EVs until they generated enough business to branch out to other marques.
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If GM was smart, they would have only produced Cadillac EVs until they generated enough business to branch out to other marques.
Cadillac did have an EV for a while. ANd it was a piece of *****HollywoodBQ said:I'd put it like this, Tesla is perceived as a luxury brand while GM, Ford, etc. are known for producing crappy fleet vehicles.DrEvazanPhD said:Except that so far only Tesla seems to have figured out how to put an affordable, semi-reliable vehicle out on the road. The EVs from the Big 3 are POS, and the smaller makers are crazy expensive.torrid said:As the risk of doing someone's job for them, I'll remind you this is a brand problem and not indicative of EVs as a whole.Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
If GM was smart, they would have only produced Cadillac EVs until they generated enough business to branch out to other marques.
I disagree with this analogy.HollywoodBQ said:Oh no, we get it.Teslag said:torrid said:As the risk of doing someone's job for them, I'll remind you this is a brand problem and not indicative of EVs as a whole.Logos Stick said:
Well, dang. EV reality has come plummeting to earth.
Yep, but they won't get that.
A Tesla is the $7 Starbucks coffee of the automotive world.
Go to any airport and look at the queue for SBUX when there's no line at Seattle's Best right across the concourse.
False information. Every man knows that your balls haven't dropped until you get an F-250.No Spin Ag said:
Ford seemed to do a Bud Light with the F-150 Lightning. At least from what I've experienced in my lifetime, your typical F-150 owner isn't going to be confused for a Whole Foods shopping Starbucks drinking tree hugger. So while the Lightning generated buzz, I never saw how it was going to be selling anywhere near other EVs, much less a Tesla.