Is the death toll of the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital incident faked?

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WdlsAg
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A day after the October 7th Hamas terror event, you knew the future script was laid out.

1. Israel would retaliate in a disproportionate way.
2. Hamas's only defense to stop Israel was to accuse Israel of unjust brutality and air it out on a global stage.
3. Then, within 2 weeks we get this.

Yes, something from the sky caused a fire in the parking lot of the hospital.
Regardless of where the missile/bomb came from... the facts aren't consistent with 500 deaths.

Please offer a counter to the following argument:
  • the crater in the parking lot was small
  • the hospital building is still standing.
  • the hospital did not burn, nor did it crumble.
  • the parking lot is not a bloody mess.
  • there are no photos of bodies in or around the parking lot.
  • video of the scene shows cars just 30 feet away that are uncharred
  • there were claims the courtyard/parking lot was "housing" hundreds of people who were displaced...but there are no personal belongings anywhere?
  • there are phrases like "the hospital was a crematorium" but no photos of a charred building have emerged?
  • The survivor stories are minimal and too generalized.
  • This would be a photo-rich environment and there aren't a lot of real photos of the site with bodies.

Also, think...
  • We saw the blast in Oklahoma City. Compare the photos. That event killed 168.
  • We have photos from the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing. That event killed 307.
!!! This event, so far, is highly inconsistent with those events given what we know so far.

Strangely. There was an immediate death count... it did not take 24-48 hours to work through the rubble. There were no heroic rescues of people stuck under fallen walls or anything like that.

Strangely
  • The press conference/media photos of Doctors around a room full of bodies is incredibly staged. This doesn't seem like a quick update to inform the public in a chaotic scene.

British news outlets are interviewing military arms experts who also express doubts about the "so called" blast.

Perhaps someone who knows better based on experience can weigh in?
CDUB98
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Ya think?
Kvetch
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Yes
Sims
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Objection. Asked and answered.
GE
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It's amazing that the media 1) reports any injury or fatality accounts coming from Palestinian Heath Authorities without noting they are part of Hamas, and 2) doesn't openly question the "hundreds" dead given we know it was a small rocket misfire that hit a parking lot.
TexAgs91
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WdlsAg said:

A day after the October 7th Hamas terror event, you knew the future script was laid out.
Yes. It's what we are told to fixate on. So we're really going to follow their orders?
Funky Winkerbean
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Almost all news is faked.
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Fenrir
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GE said:

It's amazing that the media 1) reports any injury or fatality accounts coming from Palestinian Heath Authorities without noting they are part of Hamas, and 2) doesn't openly question the "hundreds" dead given we know it was a small rocket misfire that hit a parking lot.
Yeah it blows my mind that anyone is giving credibility to Hamas sources with regards to Palestinian death tolls but our media eats that **** up every time. The political left in the US is so anti-Semitic it is astonishing. They will believe anything if it casts Israel in the slightest amount of shade.
WdlsAg
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Update from NPR article.

"Notably, (Dr.)Naim also said that there were no deaths among the hospital's staff, many of whom were working inside at the time of the explosion. "Luckily none of our staff was killed, but we had two injured," he says."

"Photos from the following day also appear to show little damage to the hospital buildings, and a relatively small blast zone from the explosion. That damage pattern is inconsistent with a large air-dropped bomb, which would leave a crater and create a shockwave that would damage or destroy surrounding structures, says Marc Garlasco, a former targeting officer for the U.S. military who now works for PAX, a Netherlands-based non-profit."

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206795861/heres-the-available-evidence-of-what-happened-at-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza

So the hospital was not bombed or even struck, but a parking lot down the street was....!
LMCane
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GE said:

It's amazing that the media 1) reports any injury or fatality accounts coming from Palestinian Heath Authorities without noting they are part of Hamas, and 2) doesn't openly question the "hundreds" dead given we know it was a small rocket misfire that hit a parking lot.
CNN: the IDF needs to prove it was not the IDF that murdered hundreds of civilians

IDF: how about having Hamas prove that the hospital was actually attacked by an IDF bomb and there are actually hundreds of dead?

CNN: next story we cover tonight is Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift!
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Robert C. Christian
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As others have posted the explosion occurred in a parking lot next door (2 buildings over) from the hospital.

People were sheltered there without walls/objects between them and the blast. So that explains the lack of "digging people out of the rubble".

Do I think 500 is an accurate number? No it came out too quickly to be real. But to use lack of damage to the hospital as proof that it was faked doesn't align with the events either.
Funky Winkerbean
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Is there verification it was a functioning hospital?
HumbleAg04
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The last few years have shown as a country we've now raised multiple generations that lack the ability to think critically.

AggieUSMC
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Quote:

1. Israel would retaliate in a disproportionate way.
If by "disproportionate" you mean Israel wasn't harsh enough considering what Hamas did on 10/7, I'd agree.

A "proportionate" response is for the IDF to infiltrate Gaza and indiscriminately gun down innocent civilians and kidnap/rape women and kill their infant children before burning the corpses.

I don't think people understand what an absolutely stupid term "proportionate response" is in these situations. The term should be "appropriate response".
It Aint Easy Being Brown
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Pipe down bigot!!!

We're all giving terrorists money cuz it's the right thing to do!!!
Matt_ag98
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500? Knowing the way that side of the world exaggerats everything the Hamas spokesman probably had to be talked down from saying 500,000 were killed in the blast!
TRADUCTOR
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Murdering hostage takers still have not given hostages to families.

If they took a family member, I would want them all killed. And then, killed again.
doubledog
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I am surprised that CNN/MSNBC/FOX is not fact checking this.... NOT
LMCane
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it was absolutely faked

only the leftist media would run with "news" articles claiming 500 dead from an Israeli air strike:

when the truth was they relied on the statements of a Hamas terrorist

asked for no evidence

never visited the scene

when there is VIDEO EVIDENCE it was actually other Palestinian terrorists killing their own people

and it was not 500 dead.

about as much gaslighting as can possibly be accomplished.

but because leftists love to find ways to slander and attack the West...
American Hardwood
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OP, You spent a lot of time and effort looking at a lot of data and typing it out here for us. I appreciate your commitment to look into this.

However, in the future, you can save yourself all this effort by just believing that 100% of anything coming out of Hamas is a lie. No need to dig into it. HTH
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