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In reply to agent-maroon • 5:00p, 1/11/24
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agent-maroon said:
Why would Congo want to take the Palestinians? And how would they be compelled to stay there? I could just as easily see them plucked out of Congo and trained for terrorist activities all over the world.
Congo warlords probably love the idea of a bunch of fresh kids that already know how to shoot weapons and reload RPGs.
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7:51p, 1/11/24
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Is the Congo muslim because if they are not all fun in games until Allah starts killing them off
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11:10p, 1/11/24
I don't know what's in it for the Congolese, but I've seen the idea thrown around on news sites this past week. (Example)
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In reply to maddiedou • 11:14p, 1/11/24
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Is the Congo muslim because if they are not all fun in games until Allah starts killing them off
They're mostly Christians (divided between Catholics and Protestants). Most of Africa's Muslims are in the northern half of the continent.
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2:21p, 1/12/24
frankly it's shocking that Hamas has not bulldozed this cemetery honoring British/
Jewish World War One soldiers

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6:38p, 1/12/24
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Can Israel capture or kill Sinwar?

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In early December of this year the Israeli military said it had surrounded the home of Sinwar in his hometown of Khan Younis in the southern half of the Gaza Strip. They didn't find him.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Dec. 6 that it was "only a matter of time" before he was located. Israeli military leaders have described Sinwar as "a dead man walking."

The precise whereabouts of Sinwar is still unknown. He is believed by Israeli officials and others to be hiding in Hamas' vast network of tunnels beneath the Gaza Strip.
Monday the Times of Israel reported that the IDF had a good idea where Sinwar was but couldn't launch a strike because he was using Israeli hostages as human shields.
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Israel appears to know the exact location of Hamas military leader Yahya Sinwar, the ruler of the Gaza Strip and the mastermind of the October 7 terror attacks, according to multiple reports.
However, Sinwar has surrounded himself with a large number of living Israeli hostages, which is preventing the Israel Defense Forces from carrying out a strike on him, Israel Hayom reported Monday…

One of the hostages, Yocheved Lif****z, 85, who was released from Hamas captivity in October, revealed in an interview that she met Sinwar during her time held in Gaza and was not afraid to tell him what she thought.

"Sinwar was with us three-four days after we got there," Lif****z told the Davar news outlet. "I asked him how he wasn't ashamed, to do such a thing to people who for years support peace? He didn't answer. He was quiet."
Hopefully soon.
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In reply to BonfireNerd04 • 7:26p, 1/12/24
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Agthatbuilds said:
It's never been a real solution because the Palestinians would never accept it


This. They've NEVER accepted anything less than a Judenrein state "from the river to the sea". As long as the Palestinians exist, Israelis will never be safe. So, at this point, I'm convinced that the only solution is for Palestine to stop existing.

I mean forced population transfer. Of all 2 million residents, unless they can prove opposition to Hamas. Send everyone to Congo, unless somehow Israel can somehow find somewhere even farther away to send them to.

The name and memory of "Gaza" must be erased, just as the historically-German cities of Koenigsberg, Danzig, Breslau, and Stettin were.



I would divvy them up amongst the surrounding ME countries and spread the wealth. Keep families together as best as possible but Jordan gets some, Egypt gets some, etc.

Those other counties don't get to complain about Israel not wanting to house the homeless when they won't do it themselves. If they don't like it, screw'em. But I would push them right over the border and lock the door behind them.
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5:53p, 1/13/24
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I don't trust that channel, but I think this is true, fwiw.
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6:40p, 1/13/24
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12960179/hamas-leaders-killed-october-7-israel-gaza.html

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'The Mossad, the ISA and the IDF, in conjunction with the international security and enforcement bodies, will continue their efforts to thwart the terrorist intentions of Hamas and all terrorist organizations, and to settle accounts with them everywhere in the world, on behalf of the security of the State of Israel and the Jewish people.'
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4:36a, 1/15/24
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6:35a, 1/16/24
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(Long thread)





This is who Gazans and the UNRWA are, not Hamas.





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3:40p, 1/18/24
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I really hope this is not true!



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In reply to aggiehawg • 3:44p, 1/18/24
aggiehawg said:
I really hope this is not true!




If everything is true in regards to this story, the Mossad must be the most successful intelligence gathering organization in the history of the world.

And those Hamas leaders most assuredly have nowhere to hide.

Israel / Mossad / IDF will find you.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 7:54a, 1/19/24
pretty sure that it is accurate

about hamas executing 21 of the hostages and the IDF finding the bodies in Gaza yesterday

it's just a question of are these bodies of hostages we know already have been murdered? or new victims?
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In reply to [removed post] • 7:56a, 1/19/24
C@LAg said:
with these 21.... what is the current estimate of the # of remaining hostages?

is that tracked anywhere?

we have to be close to the point where Israel can unleash the wrath of khan on them.
as of this week there were 132 hostages in Gaza

in which 102 were estimated to still be alive

so not sure if these 21 bodies are part of the 132, or of the 102.
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8:02a, 1/19/24
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I can't believe that anyone in the Western world supports Hamas. It's truly unbelievable.

This is what intersectionality indoctrination gets you.
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 8:12a, 1/19/24
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People are just stupid.
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9:16a, 1/19/24
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Another one;


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Deputy Head of Information for the Palestinian Islamic Jihad organization Wael Makin Abdallah Abu-Fanounah was targeted and killed by the IDF in an airstrike on Thursday, the military announced on Friday in a joint statement with the Israel Security Service (Shin Bet.)

Fanounah was originally arrested in Israel on December 12, 1989, and was sentenced to three life sentences for his terrorist activities, but was released in 2011 as part of the Gilad Schalit prisoner deal.
Fanounah then served as deputy to Khalil al-Hayya, the Northern Gaza Strip Commander of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Since 2017, before assuming his role as deputy head of the organization's Information Network, Fanounah was responsible for producing terror videos related to rocket attacks on Israeli territory and creating and disseminating documentation of Israeli captives as part of the psychological warfare conducted by terror groups in Gaza against Israeli residents.
Israel's health minister cancels plan to treat injured Gazans in Israeli hospitals;


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Health Minister Uriel Busso instructed Ministry Director-General Moshe Bar Siman Tov to cancel the directive to Israeli hospitals for the hospitalization and treatment of residents from Gaza or Lebanon who are evacuated by the IDF and transferred to Israel, the Health Ministry announced on Friday morning.
Busso emphasized that there is no change in his unequivocal policy of not allowing terrorists, as well as residents from Gaza and Lebanon, to seek refuge in Israeli hospitals.

Friday's announcement came after a directive on Thursday to admit and treat residents from the Gaza Strip and Lebanon injured in the conflict in Israeli hospitals.

The directive stated that Israel's admission of people needing treatment was in line with the state's commitments to international law and conventions.
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In reply to [removed post] • 9:28a, 1/19/24
C@LAg said:


He is correct, a one state solution is the only solution as his people are not capable of creating a state devoid of islamic terrorism.
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In reply to EskimoJoe • 9:47a, 1/19/24
I agree with him - a one state solution is the best path forward.

Not the state he's thinking of though.
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In reply to [removed post] • 10:26a, 1/19/24
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C@LAg said:


For everyone *****ing about, "open air prison," this is why they can't be allowed outside. The palestinians have shown themselves to be nothing more than bloodthirsty savages and animals, and their only aim is to destroy Israel. Arguing to let the palestinians out of gaza is like arguing to let admitted serial killers free.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:29a, 1/19/24
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Well, we've seen how they treat their own hospitals...
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 12:05p, 1/19/24
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ABATTBQ11 said:
C@LAg said:


For everyone *****ing about, "open air prison," this is why they can't be allowed outside. The palestinians have shown themselves to be nothing more than bloodthirsty savages and animals, and their only aim is to destroy Israel. Arguing to let the palestinians out of gaza is like arguing to let admitted serial killers free.
Exactly! Hamas has been telling people exactly who they are and what they want for decades. There is no mystery here. The reason that no "two-state solution" has succeeded in the ME is not because Israel hasn't offered the right combination of concessions. It hasn't happened because Hamas doesn't want to live in a state next to Israel, they want to destroy Israel and kill every jew along the way. Yet we have people trying to claim they are just freedom fighters and a humanitarian group helping the poor Gazans fight for what is theirs.

When terroristic serial murderers and war criminals tell you who they are, believe them!
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In reply to LMCane • 5:55p, 1/20/24

[To be clear, this thread is about updates to the ongoing Israel/Hamas conflict. It's not about leftists, South Africa, or other topics. You are free to start a thread on those topics, but we'll keep this one to its original scope -- Staff]
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 6:54p, 1/20/24
BadMoonRisin said:
I can't believe that anyone in the Western world supports Hamas. It's truly unbelievable.

This is what intersectionality indoctrination gets you.
Me either. Should kill every living thing in Gaza, male and female, old and young, no plant life or animals, water supply poisoned, bridges destroyed, all buildings blown up or burned down. A total wasteland, basically uninhabitable. And tell the muslims that if anyone does what they did to innocent people ever again, the destruction will be an area five times the size of Gaza. Say it, mean it, do it. And this sort of thing will stop.
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In reply to one safe place • 8:14p, 1/20/24
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one safe place said:
BadMoonRisin said:
I can't believe that anyone in the Western world supports Hamas. It's truly unbelievable.

This is what intersectionality indoctrination gets you.
Me either. Should kill every living thing in Gaza, male and female, old and young, no plant life or animals, water supply poisoned, bridges destroyed, all buildings blown up or burned down. A total wasteland, basically uninhabitable. And tell the muslims that if anyone does what they did to innocent people ever again, the destruction will be an area five times the size of Gaza. Say it, mean it, do it. And this sort of thing will stop.
100% agree.

The Lord commanded the same thing happen to the Amalekites.
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In reply to one safe place • 8:14p, 1/20/24
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one safe place said:
BadMoonRisin said:
I can't believe that anyone in the Western world supports Hamas. It's truly unbelievable.

This is what intersectionality indoctrination gets you.
Me either. Should kill every living thing in Gaza, male and female, old and young, no plant life or animals, water supply poisoned, bridges destroyed, all buildings blown up or burned down. A total wasteland, basically uninhabitable. And tell the muslims that if anyone does what they did to innocent people ever again, the destruction will be an area five times the size of Gaza. Say it, mean it, do it. And this sort of thing will stop.


Sounds like the instructions found in 1SAM15:3.
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In reply to txags92 • 8:30p, 1/20/24
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Yep. The palestinian population has generally rejected any leadership as soon as they start moving down the road towards a two state solution. They've rejected every opportunity for peace for almost 100 years. In no universe are they going to live side by side with Jews. No matter what Israel gives them, they'll never be happy without complete Israeli genocide, and that's obviously a nonstarter for Israel.

The idea that a "free palestine" would lead to anything other than mass murder and continued terrorism is absurdly laughable. It's like saying Hitler would stop persecuting the Jews if only they'd stop resisting. The palestinians have given Israel no choice other than driving them out.


ETA Hell, hamas was practically born out of palestinian leadership like Arafat and Fatah flirting with the idea of a two state solution. It's not that no palestinian leader is willing to negotiate, is that the palestinians don't want a leader willing to negotiate.
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8:15a, 1/21/24
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Yea, that last point is spot on. i think Hamas would be elected in any Palestinian state if it was an option elsewhere.

Honestly they are so radicalized, the only way out imo is war until one side is completely defeated / pushed out, or you have to control the Palestinian states and essentially re-educate their society (would take a long time, at least a couple of generations), to the point they can accept a 2 state solution.
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10:44a, 1/21/24
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Doesn't sound like the war effort is going as well as Israel hoped to this point. Starting to see some cracks in the wall and I bet they don't finish this out.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-toll-thus-far-falls-short-of-israels-war-aims-u-s-says-d1c43164?st=smw9kdhe1lm5q7t&reflink=

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Israeli forces have killed 20% to 30% of Hamas's fighters, U.S. intelligence agencies estimate, a toll that falls short so far of Israel's goal of destroying the group and shows its resilience after months of war that have laid swaths of the Gaza Strip to ruin.

The U.S. estimate of the group's casualties also found that Hamas still has enough munitions to continue striking Israel and Israeli forces in Gaza for months, and that the group is attempting to reconstitute its police force in parts of Gaza City, according to U.S. officials who confirmed a classified report.
And the US is continuing to push Israel to concede the effort and negotiate.

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Meanwhile, Biden administration officials have begun to scale down their expectations for the war, to Hamas's degradation as a security threat from its utter destruction. And the U.S. has urged Israel to shift the war toward more targeted operations aimed at Hamas's leadership.

Both US and Israel have roughly the same KIA estimates.

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The U.S. estimated that the group, an American-designated terrorist organization, had between 25,000 and 30,000 fighters before the war in addition to thousands of police and other forces. Israel also estimated the group had 30,000 or more militants.

The U.S. estimate, included in a classified report earlier this month, was drawn from intercepted communications, analysis of the ruins in Gaza, drone surveillance of the territory, and intelligence provided by the Israelis.

The Israeli military has a slightly higher estimate: It has estimated that it has killed about 9,000 Hamas fighters in Gaza since the war began along with more than 1,000 during the Oct. 7 attack, amounting to about 30% of the group's total fighting force. And Israel's assessment of the number of wounded Hamas fighters taken permanently out of the fight is much higher than the U.S.'s.

Hamas already returning to northern Gaza where Israel left. This thing is just going to end up being a speed bump until the next major terrorist attack.

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In another sign of the group's resilience, in the north, where much of Gaza City and other areas have been destroyed by Israeli airstrikes and fighting, Hamas is attempting to reassert its authority by putting small groups of police and emergency services to patrol the streets, according to Israeli officials and Palestinian residents. Residents in Gaza City said the police presence was minimal and that the city is still largely devoid of civil order.

Earlier this week, Hamas fired a barrage of rockets into Israel from an area of central Gaza where Israeli forces had been operating a day earlier, highlighting concerns by some in Israel that Hamas will simply reassert itself in any areas not controlled by Israeli forces.

Hamas authorities tied to Gaza's Interior Ministry have returned to Gaza City, said an Israeli military officer, including to areas previously held by the Israeli military, which completed a significant force drawdown earlier this month.

"It's only a matter of time if Israel will not be boots on the ground in these places and that they will also bring back the military wing," said Michael Milshtein, a former head of Palestinian affairs for Israeli military intelligence.
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