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1:44p, 11/13/23
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2:55p, 11/13/23
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Any reporting on IDF casualties since entering Gaza?
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In reply to Gilligan • 4:19p, 11/13/23
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Gilligan said:
Any reporting on IDF casualties since entering Gaza?


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8:04p, 11/13/23
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IDF spokesman giving a tour of hamas tunnels that directly connect from one of the leaders to a hospital.

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In reply to Ag87H2O • 9:10p, 11/13/23
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LMCane said:
Ok jacka**, if you're so tough and brave and ready to martyr yourself why don't you take off that mask that covers your face? Scared of what the Israelis would do when they locate you?

Barbaric, big mouthed cowards playing tough guy.
Billy badass he is attacking such a fortified position like a nursery. Those ******* slaughtered civilians and were afraid to attack the IDF. Israel should level Gaza.
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In reply to ProgN • 10:12p, 11/13/23
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Those ******* slaughtered civilians and were afraid to attack the IDF.
Not saying you're wrong, but one of the first things they did after breaching the border fence, was to overrun one of the IDF border outposts.
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In reply to FreeFreePhallustine • 10:19p, 11/13/23
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ProgN said:

Those ******* slaughtered civilians and were afraid to attack the IDF.
Not saying you're wrong, but one of the first things they did after breaching the border fence, was to overrun one of the IDF border outposts.
So, just so we're clear, they overran an IDF outpost after they slaughtered unarmed festival goers, raped and murdered Israeli girls then paraded their bodies around in celebration? Savages can only be defeated with savagery because that's all they understand. Hamas FA and now they're FO, I say level Gaza.
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5:19a, 11/14/23
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In reply to lb sand • 9:16a, 11/14/23
Of course the Hamas supporters will claim that it is all fake and staged. as if the IDF walked into Gaza carrying window shades and extra toilets hooked up to hospital basements...

also note the Rear Admiral is in good shape when he starts the presentation, and a few minutes in is bleeding from the forehead.

way to continue forward Daniel Hagari!
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:17a, 11/14/23
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It's the scorpion and the frog fable in real life. There is zero value for human life with Hamas, even if it means their own destruction. Hate and death are in their character.

It's a terrible, tragic lesson, but maybe this time the Israelis will treat them like they are scorpions and crush them once and for all.
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In reply to FreeFreePhallustine • 9:20a, 11/14/23
FreeFreePhallustine said:
ProgN said:
Those ******* slaughtered civilians and were afraid to attack the IDF.
Not saying you're wrong, but one of the first things they did after breaching the border fence, was to overrun one of the IDF border outposts.
Hamas did overrun 4 military positions around the fenceline before being crushed later on in the day of the 7th.

and another 1400 Hamas fighters went directly for civilian targets to murder and kidnap as many women and children as they could get to.
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9:32a, 11/14/23
This war will not be over until Yahiya Sinwar is dead.

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In reply to LMCane • 9:35a, 11/14/23
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And the enemies of Israel would call this woman and her daughter innocent civilians.

I'm glad Israel is running the show and is fully committed to doing what has to be done.
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9:41a, 11/14/23
This is interesting video of what the IDF troopers are finding as they continue to push into the center of Gaza City

the Parliament Building of Hamas has been captured, and many other of the Hamas command and control "government" buildings

here you can see the israeli soldier says "look here are bullets of 9 millimeter" and then another one holds up a bag and says "this is Israeli". when one trooper fires what is their equivalent of an M-240 grenade launcher his buddy congratulates him with "Kol Hakavod!" (all of the honor to you)

another one says "RPG" and his buddy says "whats that?" "here are kalatchim (kalashnikovs) and weapons ("neshek")

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9:50a, 11/14/23
Infantry from Bisalach running hard for cover. Notice one Tsahal soldier firing a shoulder launched Rafael SPIKE - SR rocket standing next to a Merkava IV.





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10:00a, 11/14/23
so this one looks like a M9 Dozer operator was bored and had some time to kill.



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10:48a, 11/14/23
horrifying that 19 people are in psychiatric hospitals after witnessing the atrocities on 7 october

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In reply to LMCane • 10:58a, 11/14/23
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LMCane said:
horrifying that 19 people are in psychiatric hospitals after witnessing the atrocities on 7 october

As sickening as it is, I hope people read that full tweet. That is the face of evil, and it is why there can be no restraint or mercy when it comes to Hamas. The group has to be eradicated.
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In reply to Ag87H2O • 11:01a, 11/14/23
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I don't get how so many people seem to be able toss all of this aside and feel any empathy for Palestinians.
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11:04a, 11/14/23
Great developments today-

looks like the 162nd Division moving from the north to south

has now linked up with the other pincers of the 36th Division which came in from the south and moved north

closing the trap around Hamas in central Gaza City

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In reply to LMCane • 11:08a, 11/14/23
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LMCane said:
horrifying that 19 people are in psychiatric hospitals after witnessing the atrocities on 7 october

And then there are the weak who are calling for a cease fire....

Israel has earned the right to do whatever they want to bring justice to what was done to the citizens of their country and eliminate the security threat.
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11:22a, 11/14/23
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From the reports I have seen there are some death and injury casualties but according to the guys on the ground not a shocking amount, the IDF will release the numbers at a later date. Most of the Hamas fighters are doing pop shots and are aiming for the tanks and such. Several IDF units have yet to face a live Hamas fighter, tanks are doing a pretty good job of taking them out before they clear the buildings.

Minimal Hamas drones are being used which to me is surprising, most infantry soldiers said they have seen 1 or 2 total. Hamas seems to be trying to use guerilla warfare and ambush but really aren't doing a very good job at it. Seems Israel had pretty good intelligence before everything started and took out a lot of targets and tunnels before the ground movement.
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11:27a, 11/14/23
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Wondering when Israel will post the names and pics of all 30,000 hamas members?

Need a score card.
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3:32p, 11/14/23
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I just feel bad for all these poor children having their schooling disrupted.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:45p, 11/14/23
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I just feel bad for all these poor children having their schooling disrupted.

There are no civilians on that side in this war. None. All are current or future combatants. It's an unfortunate reality they have brought on themselves with their religion of hate.
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In reply to Swollen Thumb • 5:23a, 11/15/23
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10 year olds.

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Eran Smilansky, a 28-year-old potato farmer, watched Gazan children go from house to house in his kibbutz on Oct. 7. Hamas terrorists followed. The boys laughed as the gunmen shot or dragged away Israeli families.

"They were like young, young kids," said Smilansky, who defended his home from terrorists for more than six hours that day. "They were going in front of the terrorists, laughing with their friends and looking very calm. I remember thinking, What the f***?"

Smilansky was one of a dozen survivors of the Nir Oz massacre who told the Washington Free Beacon they witnessed boys or women from the Gaza Strip looting the kibbutz, helping the armed terrorists, and apparently enjoying themselves. The youngest children were around 10 years old, according to several of the survivors, one of whom provided photographs of some of the women and children he saw.
Here's one of the videos. The women and children, some of whom were riding bicycles stolen from the slain Jewish families, are highlighted in green.



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Eyal Barad and his family managed to survive the October 7 attack in Nir Oz by sheltering in a safe room they constructed for that purpose. A security camera installed outside the house captured the advance of Hamas through their village. The video shows uniformed Hamas fighters, but also armed civilians with young women and children mixed in with them. It almost looks as if they're heading out for a picnic in the park rather than a murderous rampage. Some of the children can be seen being sent by the fighters into homes that had been "cleared" so they can loot them.

There are many more disturbing stories from survivors in the linked report. They all recount similar, horrifying observations involving children and young women participating in the violent mayhem. The reality is that there is likely no way to "reprogram" these Palestinian children by the time they are ready to start elementary school. (Assuming a school can be found.) They are already indoctrinated into the Hamas cult of hate.






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6:04a, 11/15/23
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Good JP article on tactics/tunnels vs. 2014:


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Hamas's long-range missiles destroyed early

In addition, all of Hamas's long-range Kornet anti-tank missiles were destroyed by the IDF in the invasion's first 24 hours, though Hamas still has a large supply of shorter-range rocket-propelled-grenade launchers.

Cohen described how various IDF forces first had a goal of subduing Al-Atatra, then moved on to the command center of Hamas, then to the military quarter and its vast underground network, as well as to a naval command center, the Badr command center closer to the coast, Rantisi Hospital and its underground network, the Shaati neighborhood very close to the coast, and final Shifa Hospital and its underground command center.

Al-Atatra is a northwestern neighborhood in the city of Beit Lahiya in northern Gaza, with command center 17 being slightly further south, the military quarter being in the middle of northern Gaza, Rantisi being further south but also east, and the naval command center, the Badr command center, Shaati and Shifa Hospital being further west.

Summarizing, Cohen said that these different key points signified entering the gates of Gaza City, the center of Gaza City, and now, with the fall of Hamas in Shaati, the southern point of Gaza City.
The Shaati neighborhood alone took thousands of heavily armed IDF forces.

The naval command center also had significant weapons and intelligence hidden about 20 meters down
With Foreign Minister Eli Cohen tweeting on Monday that within two to three weeks, global pressure on Israel for a ceasefire will spike, IDF estimates are that this would be enough time to finish off remaining leftover Hamas spots in the North.

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This move as well as a strategy of having troops march through Palestinian houses being bulldozed by IDF D9s, as opposed to on main thoroughfares, have been key to avoiding Hamas boobytraps and ambushes which the group set anticipating the IDF to operate as it did during the 2014 Gaza conflict.

There was an eight-kilometer area leading into the center of Gaza City where Hamas had hoped to bleed the IDF so profusely that it would give up before arriving at the center.

Another key difference from 2014, is the IDF this time seeks to destroy all aspects of Hamas's tunnel network, whereas in 2014, the IDF often sufficed with causing cave-ins in certain spots.

Hamas responded by simply digging around the cave-ins to reconnect the largely intact disparate tunnels at other spots.

While a large number of attacks on tunnels are cited, only around 30% of Hamas's tunnels in the area have been fully destroyed to date, requiring significantly more time and investment of resources.
The IDF's goals appear to be: first destroy Hamas forces, second destroy (not just neutralize) Hamas tunnels, and third to create pressure on Hamas to release the almost 240 Israeli hostages.

Regarding the battle over tunnels, in some cases, the IDF has collapsed tunnels with Hamas forces within them, and a later stage of destroying tunnels will need to include sifting through these areas.

Generally, the IDF has used various new capabilities, robots, and other systems to investigate tunnels, with IDF troops only entering at a later stage, and only with the approval of a high-ranking brigade commander of the rank of colonel.
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In reply to nortex97 • 6:19a, 11/15/23
That's a lot of fighting aged men at the hospital
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In reply to P.U.T.U • 8:41a, 11/15/23
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P.U.T.U said:
Most of the Hamas fighters are doing pop shots and are aiming for the tanks and such.
Nice to pinpoint which holes to fill up with rubble again.

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In reply to nortex97 • 9:04a, 11/15/23
I really hope the IDF and the US intel is correct about what's underneath and inside Al-Shifa hospital.

if not, the Hamas supporters will be crowing:

"sure, we butchered, raped, mutilated, tortured and kipnapped over 1200 human beings,

but we didn't have offices under a hospital!!"
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9:05a, 11/15/23
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It seems like the IDF will have eliminated Hamas on the surface of Gaza fairly soon. The next stage will be to deal with the tunnels. A call for a "cease-fire" wont do much good for Hamas. It sounds like its too late for them.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:05a, 11/15/23
hundreds of uninjured fighting age males crowded into hospital hallways

because that's normal in any hospital around the world.
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9:14a, 11/15/23
just like the buildings in Berlin and Berchtesgarden and Munich being demolished in May 1945. the soldiers have very high morale:

one of them jokes at another that "you are a zero!" and another one yells to his buddy "did you get a picture?"

looks like more cool Gaza birds will be finding new nests in Israel now. All a Zionist conspiracy!

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