clobby said:

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I find it miraculous that news outlets were reporting Gaza would run out of fuel in 48 hours over 2 weeks ago, no fuel trucks have been let in and yet they still have fuel.

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samurai_science said:

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bthotugigem05 said:

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Some bullets on why this conflict, as it sits, is impossible to resolve:

• Read about the formation of Al Qaeda and the historic of Islamic jihad. It almost always depends on a population of poor, uneducated people who are easily radicalized and are more than happy to become martyrs while those encouraging their martyrdom bask in relative safety elsewhere. Gazans are largely poor and uneducated, Hamas leadership views them as useful idiots more than as peers
• Hamas is not stupid. They know that social media and the mainstream news media are their protection. They push propaganda that is lapped up by media desperate for the latest bleeding headline in an attempt to find a villain. The media do not care who the villain is as long as there is something fresh to write about. Want to know where the hostages are? Look in the tunnels and below hospitals and schools.
• Hamas terrorists are indistinguishable from everyday Gazans when they choose to be, there are no uniforms in this conflict. It is impossible to "eradicate Hamas" at the soldier level, it is only possible at the leadership level
• Palestine, as a concept, is more useful to the Middle East as a problem than as an actual state. Across the Middle East, Palestineans are used as a source of fundraising for jihadist organizations and as a rallying cry to foment hatred against Israel, Jews, and the USA. The average Palestinean is young, poor, uneducated, and likely radicalized from what schooling they do have. Why would anywhere else in the Middle East want to absorb that kind of person at scale?
• What Palestine needs is industry and an economy. There have been prominent Israelis (both Jews and Arabs) who have set up offices in Gaza to provide good-paying jobs to Gazans in an effort to build an economic pathway to a better solution to all of this. One of those who had done this lost his daughter in the October 7 attacks
• The worst thing for Hamas would be an educated, literate, and financially stable Gaza. Hamas has an existential incentive to prevent this from ever happening and they have proven talented at keeping their people poor, uneducated, and hopeless. Essentially, Hamas is running a martyr training camp with a population of 2 million people
• The hardest part about this is the radical appetite for jihad (which, it needs to be said, is FAR different than the everyday practice of Islam, as most Muslims practice culturally more than religiously) and the duration they approach it with. They will wait for decades if they need to

The vision for Gaza and for the West Bank has to become more about opportunity and prosperity than anything else. If it is just about might and power, it will continue to be a protracted stress on the region and the world.

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The Palestinian people will never have an industry and economy. They were given that when Israel LEFT the first time, it was all destroyed.

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bthotugigem05 said:

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Then it must be rebuilt. The West needs to paint a vision for Palestine of existence outside of Hamas's power/control instead of just talking about killing Hamas, because what fills the vacuum that strategy creates may be worse.

All of the people (and countries) currently talking about freeing Palestine should be the first to line up to purchase products made by Palestinean companies.

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nortex97 said:

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A heartbreaking video from October 7. As Hamas shot at them, Israeli police ran to save two young children trapped in a car. Their mother was dead in the front seat.

The 5-year-old, fearful it is terrorists approaching, begs for her life. When she realizes they are Israeli, she… pic.twitter.com/tVxyWmXTgf

— Aviva Klompas (@AvivaKlompas) November 4, 2023

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Touchless said:

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Not sure if this has already been posted, but it probably has. Thread moves quick though and I'm not going to go back through dozens of pages to look.

Saw someone post this link on twitter. It is 100% NSFW. But videos/evidence of hundreds/thousands of civilians that were massacred that helps support everything that has been claimed by Israel.

Seeing military conflict is one thing. Seeing it done to defenseless civilians, and especially babies and children is different. That said, I'm not going to link to the website, but you can copy and paste it if you'd like.

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

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TAM85 said:

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So is Hamas a genocide organization?

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CDUB98 said:

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I don't know if that specific one has been posted, but there have been several, and especially immediately after. There were vile, evil creatures who crawled out of the dirt and did this.

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TAM85 said:

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So is Hamas a genocide organization?

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TAM85 said:

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So is Hamas a genocide organization?

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How does Israel pursue peace with a group that predicates it's entire existence on the genocide of Jews and the destruction of Israel?

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clobby said:

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I find it miraculous that news outlets were reporting Gaza would run out of fuel in 48 hours over 2 weeks ago, no fuel trucks have been let in and yet they still have fuel.

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I am sure Hamas has been stockpiling all the fuel and supplies they can steal from the UN and other aid agencies for months in preparation for this - the Gazan "civilians" are the ones who are screwed.

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