Israel/Hamas going at it

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LMCane said:

samurai_science said:

No Spin Ag said:

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LMCane said:



From the first day of the war
IF they only had guns.

In my hood every man woman and child would be armed to the teeth. Israel was stupid to disarm its population.
Whoever ordered this, probably the Labour party, is also guilty of this this outrage.

Never give up your guns
I agree. If I lived there I'd have guns near and on me at all times.

They (Israel) seem to have idiotically thought a wall, supported by tech, would be enough to keep out the unwanted. It wasn't.

Then again, if it was someone(s) on the inside of the government that was at fault, all the walls and tech in the world were never going to be enough.
They for some stupid reason had reduced gun ownership for years

Where is your actual evidence of this?

the government of Israel has never confiscated guns. so how did they "reduce" gun ownership?
Permits, by limiting permits. That's the reason the gun ownership percentage was so freaking low.....and the reason they have now increased the number of permits being granted (since the attacks).


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Funny how the gun grabbers avoid these topics like the plague.
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Yeah nobody needs an ASSAULT WEAPON!

Nothing bad happens to anyone. No need to protect yourself and your loved ones.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12707489/Hezbollah-Iranian-terror-proxy-ignite-chaos-Middle-East-Tehran-funded-trained-militia-ten-times-powerful-Hamas-threatening-Israel-US.html
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It is known as Israel's 'monster to the north' - a fearsome Iranian-backed military foe that claims to have 100,000 active fighters armed to the teeth with a terrifying array of weapons.

Hezbollah, or the 'Party of God' in Arabic, has emerged as a potent force in the Middle East in recent years boasting a multifaceted arsenal and diverse military capabilities that pose a considerable threat to Israel.

Now there are growing fears the terror proxy could ignite further chaos in the region by wading into a war that has already seen around 1,400 Israelis killed in the October 7 massacre and - according to Hamas officials - thousands of deaths in aerial bombardments in Gaza.

Tehran is the chief backer of both Hamas and Hezbollah - but these are just some of the powerful militias that have been propped up by Iranian money, weapons and military training in recent decades

Isn't it great that Obama and Biden gave Iran so much money?

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The group adopted the name Hezbollah - which translates to 'Party of God' - with the primary goal of resisting Israeli occupation in Southern Lebanon.

The Iranian connection has remained a defining aspect of Hezbollah's identity, and the nature of the group's multifaceted setup as a political party and armed militia allow it to wield considerable influence.

Its dual political and military setup echoes that of Hamas, but while both groups are backed by Iran's Islamic Republic, Hezbollah has evolved into a far graver military threat.

The group has been exchanging fire with Israel across the border intermittently since Hamas' October 7 attacks - the latest escalation since Israel and Hezbollah fought a major war in 2006.

Hezbollah has been reluctant to commit any meaningful numbers of troops and rockets to fight Israel, but the group's involvement has increased in recent days, with the proxy noting that it attacked 19 Israeli positions along the border simultaneously on Thursday, which included its first using explosive drones.

The group has declared it is ready to help when the time comes in the war between Israel and Hamas - and there are fears that Hezbollah joining the ground invasion would force the IDF to split their resources and fight a battle on two fronts at opposite ends of the country.

Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah, 63, told the United States today that the terror proxy was ready to face its warships and the way to prevent a regional war was to halt the attacks in Gaza.

Nasrallah, in his first speech since the Israel-Hamas war erupted on October 7, also threatened Israel's main ally the United States, hinting his Iran-backed group was ready to confront U.S. warships in the Mediterranean.

He said: 'You, the Americans, know very well that if war breaks out in the region, your fleets will be of no use, nor will fighting from the air be of any benefit, and the one who will pay the price will be... your interests, your soldiers and your fleets.'

Referring to U.S. warships in the Mediterranean, he said Hezbollah was not afraid of these.

In a wide-ranging speech, Nasrallah said 'all options' were open for an expansion of the Israel-Hamas conflict into Lebanon.

He warned of a further escalation on Israel's border with Lebanon and said Hamas's war with the Jewish state is 'now on more than one front'.

Indeed, Hezbollah has an impressive arsenal at its disposal should it join the bloody war, now in its 28th day.

In addition to the array of small arms, machine guns and tens if not hundreds of thousands of rockets at its disposal, Hezbollah boasts a range of anti-tank and anti-air systems, a fleet of thousands of drones, and dozens of tanks and armoured vehicles.
Israel should tell Hezbollah that if 'all options' are open for them then all options are open Israel and then send a nuke and vaporize a large chunk of their desert rats. They have zero fear or respect for the vegetable in the WH, but I'm confident they wouldn't threaten our navy and troops if Trump were still in there.
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ProgN said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12707489/Hezbollah-Iranian-terror-proxy-ignite-chaos-Middle-East-Tehran-funded-trained-militia-ten-times-powerful-Hamas-threatening-Israel-US.html
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It is known as Israel's 'monster to the north' - a fearsome Iranian-backed military foe that claims to have 100,000 active fighters armed to the teeth with a terrifying array of weapons.

Hezbollah, or the 'Party of God' in Arabic, has emerged as a potent force in the Middle East in recent years boasting a multifaceted arsenal and diverse military capabilities that pose a considerable threat to Israel.

Now there are growing fears the terror proxy could ignite further chaos in the region by wading into a war that has already seen around 1,400 Israelis killed in the October 7 massacre and - according to Hamas officials - thousands of deaths in aerial bombardments in Gaza.

Tehran is the chief backer of both Hamas and Hezbollah - but these are just some of the powerful militias that have been propped up by Iranian money, weapons and military training in recent decades

Isn't it great that Obama and Biden gave Iran so much money?

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The group adopted the name Hezbollah - which translates to 'Party of God' - with the primary goal of resisting Israeli occupation in Southern Lebanon.

The Iranian connection has remained a defining aspect of Hezbollah's identity, and the nature of the group's multifaceted setup as a political party and armed militia allow it to wield considerable influence.

Its dual political and military setup echoes that of Hamas, but while both groups are backed by Iran's Islamic Republic, Hezbollah has evolved into a far graver military threat.

The group has been exchanging fire with Israel across the border intermittently since Hamas' October 7 attacks - the latest escalation since Israel and Hezbollah fought a major war in 2006.

Hezbollah has been reluctant to commit any meaningful numbers of troops and rockets to fight Israel, but the group's involvement has increased in recent days, with the proxy noting that it attacked 19 Israeli positions along the border simultaneously on Thursday, which included its first using explosive drones.

The group has declared it is ready to help when the time comes in the war between Israel and Hamas - and there are fears that Hezbollah joining the ground invasion would force the IDF to split their resources and fight a battle on two fronts at opposite ends of the country.

Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah, 63, told the United States today that the terror proxy was ready to face its warships and the way to prevent a regional war was to halt the attacks in Gaza.

Nasrallah, in his first speech since the Israel-Hamas war erupted on October 7, also threatened Israel's main ally the United States, hinting his Iran-backed group was ready to confront U.S. warships in the Mediterranean.

He said: 'You, the Americans, know very well that if war breaks out in the region, your fleets will be of no use, nor will fighting from the air be of any benefit, and the one who will pay the price will be... your interests, your soldiers and your fleets.'

Referring to U.S. warships in the Mediterranean, he said Hezbollah was not afraid of these.

In a wide-ranging speech, Nasrallah said 'all options' were open for an expansion of the Israel-Hamas conflict into Lebanon.

He warned of a further escalation on Israel's border with Lebanon and said Hamas's war with the Jewish state is 'now on more than one front'.

Indeed, Hezbollah has an impressive arsenal at its disposal should it join the bloody war, now in its 28th day.

In addition to the array of small arms, machine guns and tens if not hundreds of thousands of rockets at its disposal, Hezbollah boasts a range of anti-tank and anti-air systems, a fleet of thousands of drones, and dozens of tanks and armoured vehicles.
Israel should tell Hezbollah that if 'all options' are open for them then all options are open Israel and then send a nuke and vaporize a large chunk of their desert rats. They have zero fear or respect for the vegetable in the WH, but I'm confident they wouldn't threaten our navy and troops if Trump were still in there.
Hezbollah has 100K active fighters like 500 people died in that Gaza hospital explosion.

i.e. They're both Islamic loads of crap...

I'm sure they have a solid core of several thousand fighters, maybe in the low tens of thousands, and then an "army" of LARPer wanna be fighters, though.

Hezbollah CAN cause Israel problems, but that above claim is just laughable...
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Hezbollah is going to confront our fleet in the Med?

They planning on swimming to confront it or row out?
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Should have launched this during the speech, since nobody is worried about our warships.

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They hit an Israeli ship with a missile in the 2006 Lebanon war. It's likely they have some more advanced stuff now but nothing a carrier need to be concerned with IMO
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FJB said:

Should have launched this during the speech, since nobody is worried about our warships.


Did you know that in 1989 that cruise missiles could practically fly through a given targeted window in Beirut or any city so targeted. But this ass clown is not at all worried about our warships and even thinks he can threaten them.

These people are not sane. And its always the crazies that actually bring about the shooting wars.

We live an insane era.
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GAC06 said:

They hit an Israeli ship with a missile in the 2006 Lebanon war. It's likely they have some more advanced stuff now but nothing a carrier need to be concerned with IMO
Oh I agree they have some advanced weapons, since they're effectively Iran's proxy. My comment was mainly the number of "fighters" that they claim to have...

They CAN do SOME damage to Israel with their rockets and missiles, but they're not launching a ground offensive any time soon.

And I think that even with all their bluster (and Biden being incompetent), they're not dumb enough to attack OUR ships, at least not in an attack like you mentioned.

I could be wrong, though.

They could be that dumb.
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I agree they're mostly bluster, especially in regards to a ground force. I think they are almost certainly capable of a rocket and missile barrage that could do real damage.

The Houthis shot a missile at one of our destroyers fairly recently, and I'm not referring to this conflict. Just sn example of an Iran proxy attacking a U.S. ship

Added link:

https://news.usni.org/2016/10/11/uss-mason-fired-3-missiles-to-defend-from-yemen-cruise-missiles-attack
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LMCane said:

agent-maroon said:

TH36 said:

Lend them a few B-52's?
I have yet to hear a good reason for Israel to not carpet bomb gaza into pea sized rubble. They're not going to be given any credit for limiting civilian casualties no matter what they do, so why don't they go full WW2 on them? It's not like the world is ever going to love them back so why don't they get on with it?

Surgical excision >>>>>> chemo when trying to cure cancer. Just one cell is all it takes to grow back into a life-threatening tumor if given enough time
because this is not a great power like the USA or Russia or even Iran who can do whatever they want with no repercussions

Israel is dependent on Washington for arms and for diplomatic support. As well as in London, Paris, Berlin.

they have to try as much as they can to limit civilian casualties.

also, Israelis and Jews value human life more than the Arabs do-

even the lives of women and children in Gaza.

The IDF prides itself on not hitting civilians- although after 7 October some of the rules of engagement have been lifted to allow for more attacks on terror chiefs even when families may be present.
They need to learn a lesson that all terror chiefs must die and if you are standing near a terror chief, or in the same room, you will die too.
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one safe place said:

LMCane said:

agent-maroon said:

TH36 said:

Lend them a few B-52's?
I have yet to hear a good reason for Israel to not carpet bomb gaza into pea sized rubble. They're not going to be given any credit for limiting civilian casualties no matter what they do, so why don't they go full WW2 on them? It's not like the world is ever going to love them back so why don't they get on with it?

Surgical excision >>>>>> chemo when trying to cure cancer. Just one cell is all it takes to grow back into a life-threatening tumor if given enough time
because this is not a great power like the USA or Russia or even Iran who can do whatever they want with no repercussions

Israel is dependent on Washington for arms and for diplomatic support. As well as in London, Paris, Berlin.

they have to try as much as they can to limit civilian casualties.

also, Israelis and Jews value human life more than the Arabs do-

even the lives of women and children in Gaza.

The IDF prides itself on not hitting civilians- although after 7 October some of the rules of engagement have been lifted to allow for more attacks on terror chiefs even when families may be present.
They need to learn a lesson that all terror chiefs must die and if you are standing near a terror chief, or in the same room, you will die too.
I think I said this earlier on this thread but Israel needs to give Hamas and ESPECIALLY their leaders an ultimatum.

If they release the hostages, Israel will kill them quickly.

If Israel has to go get them and/or the hostages die, then Israel will give them the William Wallace treatment.
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well we just saw what 3000 Hamas terrorists could do in an invasion into Israel

what would happen if 10,000 Hizbullah terrorists had done the same thing on 7 October?

It's pretty shocking now that Hizbullah did NOT launch a simultaneous attack-

there are more Israeli civilians close to the Northern border than to the Gaza border.
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LMCane said:

well we just saw what 3000 Hamas terrorists could do in an invasion into Israel

what would happen if 10,000 Hizbullah terrorists had done the same thing on 7 October?

It's pretty shocking now that Hizbullah did NOT launch a simultaneous attack-

there are more Israeli civilians close to the Northern border than to the Gaza border.
I suspect that Israel has made it clear to Iran than any full scale attacks or invasions by Hezbollah would receive a direct response against Iran. Hezbollah is much more directly controlled by Iran than Hamas and there would be no plausible deniability for Iran for any major attacks from the north.
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THIS IS MY SHOCKED FACE

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the only positive outcome of this terror onslaught is that Hamas will be destroyed,

and the Israel Defense Forces will become the pre-eminent land and air warfare expert in urban combat

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I actually am shocked, as I didn't think the Egyptians would allow those trucks to be inspected by Israel, or that any came in through Israeli crossings. Good to hear though.





They seem to have done quite a bit of work overnight.

In, and out they are trying to smuggle stuff and 'fighters' (terrorists).

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one safe place said:

LMCane said:

agent-maroon said:

TH36 said:

Lend them a few B-52's?
I have yet to hear a good reason for Israel to not carpet bomb gaza into pea sized rubble. They're not going to be given any credit for limiting civilian casualties no matter what they do, so why don't they go full WW2 on them? It's not like the world is ever going to love them back so why don't they get on with it?

Surgical excision >>>>>> chemo when trying to cure cancer. Just one cell is all it takes to grow back into a life-threatening tumor if given enough time
because this is not a great power like the USA or Russia or even Iran who can do whatever they want with no repercussions

Israel is dependent on Washington for arms and for diplomatic support. As well as in London, Paris, Berlin.

they have to try as much as they can to limit civilian casualties.

also, Israelis and Jews value human life more than the Arabs do-

even the lives of women and children in Gaza.

The IDF prides itself on not hitting civilians- although after 7 October some of the rules of engagement have been lifted to allow for more attacks on terror chiefs even when families may be present.
They need to learn a lesson that all terror chiefs must die and if you are standing near a terror chief, or in the same room, you will die too.


Maybe the population will finally reject Hamas
If they think they'll be blown to bits when those sickos are near.
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The population will never reject Hamas as long as they embrace Hamas' ideals. Hamas is just the armed wing of an ideology which almost all of them embrace, which denies Israeli statehood and dehumanizes Jews. You'd be hard pressed to find a few hundred Gazans who have the audacity to admit that Israel could be a neighboring nation that its people, the Jews, deserve to live in with peace.
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Audionix live feed showing the entire skyline obscured by massive smoke screens

I think they have moved their cameras and there are English speaking guys reading news broadcasts so no idea who is putting up their cameras and where they are

but defnitely the IDF is laying massive smoke screens and advancing behind them
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nortex97 said:

I actually am shocked, as I didn't think the Egyptians would allow those trucks to be inspected by Israel, or that any came in through Israeli crossings. Good to hear though.





They seem to have done quite a bit of work overnight.

In, and out they are trying to smuggle stuff and 'fighters' (terrorists).



the horror!

Where will all the Hamas Gender Equity and LGBTQ Studies majors now get their bachelors degrees!!

how inhumane!

I have never seen a smoke screen like over Gaza right now other than watching videos of the crossing of the Rhine River in 1945.
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nortex97 said:

I actually am shocked, as I didn't think the Egyptians would allow those trucks to be inspected by Israel, or that any came in through Israeli crossings. Good to hear though.





They seem to have done quite a bit of work overnight.

In, and out they are trying to smuggle stuff and 'fighters' (terrorists).


So, did they haul off the lifeless bodies of the terrorists in a dump truck? Certainly hope the identified terrorists won't need an ambulance anymore.
"Green" is the new RED.
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Yes, Gaza City is pretty 'lit' this morning.





Another camera;

https://www.youtube.com/live/sOdmNA4rC6c
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These Hamas fighters thought they were so smart to have these miles of tunnels in Gaza. They thought that it would give them such an advantage. Turns out they were DEAD wrong. They are getting slaughtered.
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What happened to their martyr dreams? These Hamas cowards tried to escape via ambulance. You can only laugh. Kill 'em all.
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Ag with kids said:

If Israel has to go get them and/or the hostages die, then Israel will give them the William Wallace treatment.

I think bringing back public executions would be a fantastic crime deterrent in general.
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Not sure if Isarel has released much on this but it certainly seems like their casualty numbers are much lower than I would have expected at this point. I realize they still have to do the dirty work of going block by block in Gaza City but they encircled it quite rapidly.
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Bird Poo said:

one safe place said:

LMCane said:

agent-maroon said:

TH36 said:

Lend them a few B-52's?
I have yet to hear a good reason for Israel to not carpet bomb gaza into pea sized rubble. They're not going to be given any credit for limiting civilian casualties no matter what they do, so why don't they go full WW2 on them? It's not like the world is ever going to love them back so why don't they get on with it?

Surgical excision >>>>>> chemo when trying to cure cancer. Just one cell is all it takes to grow back into a life-threatening tumor if given enough time
because this is not a great power like the USA or Russia or even Iran who can do whatever they want with no repercussions

Israel is dependent on Washington for arms and for diplomatic support. As well as in London, Paris, Berlin.

they have to try as much as they can to limit civilian casualties.

also, Israelis and Jews value human life more than the Arabs do-

even the lives of women and children in Gaza.

The IDF prides itself on not hitting civilians- although after 7 October some of the rules of engagement have been lifted to allow for more attacks on terror chiefs even when families may be present.
They need to learn a lesson that all terror chiefs must die and if you are standing near a terror chief, or in the same room, you will die too.


Maybe the population will finally reject Hamas
If they think they'll be blown to bits when those sickos are near.
My thoughts exactly. If you allow terrorists to live among you, and don't take them out, part of the price of doing so is being taken out when the terrorists are. Future generations might take notice but, if not, they will face the same thing.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Yeah, after 10/7 I've completely given up on a two state solution. It's all Israel. The palestinians just have to leave, one way or another. They had their chance. They made their choice.
Not sure how any educated, objective person could think any differently at this point. They've had multiple chances since WWII to get there and they and their puppet masters have sabotaged every effort to do so. They are literally fodder for the rest of the Muslim world against Israel. And the Palestinians themselves are too stupid to realize this.
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YouBet said:

Not sure if Isarel has released much on this but it certainly seems like their casualty numbers are much lower than I would have expected at this point. I realize they still have to do the dirty work of going block by block in Gaza City but they encircled it quite rapidly.
No surface forces nor equipment from an army to stop them. For all intents and purposes, their tunnels are about as effective as the Maginot Line was in WWII.

Tunnels are great for surviving random aerial bombardment. We'll see how well they fare under siege conditions since they are surrounded. How long can they last if they get blasted when they try to resupply?
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aggiehawg said:

YouBet said:

Not sure if Isarel has released much on this but it certainly seems like their casualty numbers are much lower than I would have expected at this point. I realize they still have to do the dirty work of going block by block in Gaza City but they encircled it quite rapidly.
No surface forces nor equipment from an army to stop them. For all intents and purposes, their tunnels are about as effective as the Maginot Line was in WWII.

Tunnels are great for surviving random aerial bombardment. We'll see how well they fare under siege conditions since they are surrounded. How long can they last if they get blasted when they try to resupply?
Yes, but I expected more resistance than this but Hamas, I'm sure, is holding back thinking they will wear down the IDF in the more urban environment.
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Swollen Thumb said:

aggiehawg said:



Okay, there you go. There's your aid to Gaza.

Now light this sucker off!


Anyone think the main purpose of this convoy isn't so much to get aid in, but likely to smuggle certain people out?


Bumping this from several weeks again in light of the ambulance news.
These coward animals will scatter like roaches at the expense of their people. Keep Gaza sealed. No one in or out.
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YouBet said:

aggiehawg said:

YouBet said:

Not sure if Isarel has released much on this but it certainly seems like their casualty numbers are much lower than I would have expected at this point. I realize they still have to do the dirty work of going block by block in Gaza City but they encircled it quite rapidly.
No surface forces nor equipment from an army to stop them. For all intents and purposes, their tunnels are about as effective as the Maginot Line was in WWII.

Tunnels are great for surviving random aerial bombardment. We'll see how well they fare under siege conditions since they are surrounded. How long can they last if they get blasted when they try to resupply?
Yes, but I expected more resistance than this but Hamas, I'm sure, is holding back thinking they will wear down the IDF in the more urban environment.
I think people expected a Hezbollah like defense of which they have done when Israel went into Lebanon in the past. Hamas trained to fight and kill civs and miscalculated on the IDF response and what they have learned fighting in the past
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