Israel/Hamas going at it

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LMCane
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LMCane said:

alot of shelling in the distance and machine gun fire now- an excellent sign that the IDF is getting closer to these cams in Gaza City!


and as always, you can hear numerous children yelling around the neighborhood

no matter how many times the IDF warns the population to move to the south and away from the war zone.

palestinians do not care about their own children's lives, much less the lives of non-Arabs.
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Laying all the blame on the US.

There are earlier posts in the thread.

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So far this speech has been a whole lot of nothing. Will see if he ends with anything noteworthy.
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There is another tweet below the one I am posting with the video. NSFW.

Doesn't look like an airstrike to me.

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If Israel is so incapable as he suggests, why do these terriers hide in bucket and behind women and children? Why do they create their principal locations behind, under, near Hospitals, etc. These people are cowardly, disposable, evil POS. I hope Israel learned form the July war he references and does not stop until their stated goal is accomplished. I wish, all good and God fearing countries would go ahead and join in the mission to irradiate the earth of all these terrorists.
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Watching the Nasrallah speech. These guys are such *******. First they declared that if the IDF placed so much as one foot on the ground in Gaza, it would be the end of Israel. Of course they continued to lob mortars and rockets into Northern Israel, but that's just typical. No real strategic strikes or tactical progress to speak of.

Fast forward to the past 72 hours. Hezbollah releases several "teaser" videos leading up to the speech today as if they are going to unleash the almighty fist of Allah on the world, and it's nothing more than a pathetic ***** fest about how this is all US's fault and they had nothing to do with Oct 7.

I think it's pretty clear what these limp wristed cowards do with the fist of Allah. That is after they're done hiding behind their protected infrastructure, women and children.
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The sooner people realize that they (the Muslims) have no interest in peace and only the destruction of Israel and the Jewish race, the better off we'll all be.

Ask yourself what the Middle East looks like if the Muslims lay down their weapons. Now, ask yourself what happens if Israel does it.
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$240 Worth of Pudding said:

The sooner people realize that they (the Muslim fanatics) have no interest in peace and only the destruction of Israel and a Jewish race, the better off we'll all be.

Ask yourself what the Middle East looks like if the Muslims lay down they're weapons. Now, ask yourself what happens if Israel does it.
and only the destruction of America and the entire Western World, the better off we'll all be.

I fixed it for you.

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$240 Worth of Pudding said:

The sooner people realize that they (the Muslims) have no interest in peace and only the destruction of Israel and a Jewish race, the better off we'll all be.

Ask yourself what the Middle East looks like if the Muslims lay down they're weapons. Now, ask yourself what happens if Israel does it.
Exactly, wipe em out there and every one of em in America supporting this *****
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Wack a Hamas campaign going well



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This is pretty awesome footage

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ttu_85 said:

LMCane said:



From the first day of the war
IF they only had guns.

In my hood every man woman and child would be armed to the teeth. Israel was stupid to disarm its population.
Whoever ordered this, probably the Labour party, is also guilty of this this outrage.

Never give up your guns
I agree. If I lived there I'd have guns near and on me at all times.

They (Israel) seem to have idiotically thought a wall, supported by tech, would be enough to keep out the unwanted. It wasn't.

Then again, if it was someone(s) on the inside of the government that was at fault, all the walls and tech in the world were never going to be enough.
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Five new realities after four weeks of fighting. Good article.

Hamas must go but then what? "If this war does not deliver enough of a shock to break deeply-held prejudices and to make the idea of two states viable, nothing will. And without a mutually-acceptable way of ending the conflict, more generations of Palestinians and Israelis will be sentenced to more wars."

CHANGES
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74OA said:

Five new realities after four weeks of fighting. Good article.

Hamas must go but then what? "If this war does not deliver enough of a shock to break deeply-held prejudices and to make the idea of two states viable, nothing will. And without a mutually-acceptable way of ending the conflict, more generations of Palestinians and Israelis will be sentenced to more wars."

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First, we are fortunate that Israel has held fast in determination to eradicate Hamas, so far:



Second, what? Hamas has stated, in the past 24 hours no less, that they intend to repeat this until Israel is no more, and it is not a territorial battle to them at all. This has been echoed by 'religious scholars' wide and far in the islamic world and the West Bank and Lebanon in particular.

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It is also clear that Israel's assault on Hamas is causing terrible bloodshed. The latest figure for Palestinian deaths from Gaza's health ministry, run by Hamas, has exceeded 9,000 - of whom around 65% are children and women.

It is not clear how many of the men who have been killed were civilians or fighting for Hamas or Islamic Jihad. US President Joe Biden and the Israelis do not trust the ministry figures. But in past conflicts, Palestinian casualty statistics have been considered accurate by international organisations.
One grim milestone is fast approaching. The United Nations (UN) says around 9,700 civilians have been killed in Ukraine since the full-scale Russian invasion 21 months ago.

Some of the Palestinian dead would have been part of Hamas. But even if that proportion is as high as 10%, which is unlikely, it means that Israel is on course to have killed as many Palestinian civilians in just over a month as Russia has killed in Ukraine since February 2022. (The UN says its data for Ukraine is incomplete and the true number of civilians killed is likely higher, while in Gaza the number of dead is also likely to be higher as many Palestinians are believed to be buried under rubble).
There is no relevance here, other than the U.S.' complicity in the outbreak of the Ukraine Russia war, and funding Iran alike to spur on this war in Israel.

Ultimately, war must be waged against a people, not simply an armed force of uniformed combatants. Hamas, and now Israel recognize this. The people of Gaza seek the destruction/death of all jews, and have stated as much over and over.

They ran with swords after the fences were breached on Oct 7 hoping to help behead jews. The solution is for surviving Gaza refugees to move to arab countries and assimilate. Period.

BBC propaganda rooted in fiction and lies is irrelevant to the reality here.
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2000AgPhD said:

I see Blinken is meeting with Netanyahu and Herzog to get them to agree to a "humanitarian pause". I hope they show him all those cell phone videos and tell him to F off. Our foreign policy is a joke.
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74OA said:

Five new realities after four weeks of fighting. Good article.

Hamas must go but then what? "If this war does not deliver enough of a shock to break deeply-held prejudices and to make the idea of two states viable, nothing will. And without a mutually-acceptable way of ending the conflict, more generations of Palestinians and Israelis will be sentenced to more wars."

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Israel will allow a 2 state solution, Muslim controlled nations will not. Anyone "sentenced to war," is done so because Muslims will not acknowledge that Israel & Jewish people have a right to exist.

End of story, no more debate, time to kill terrorists.
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There's good people everywhere so there's bound to be a Palestinian that hasn't had his/her soul eroded by Hamas types. They need to start finding these people, educate them, and start a new government with these people in place and the promise that the two state solution can become a thing and that Israel will always be an ally to them. Wipe out Hamas and then allow this government to take over and rebuild what's left. No radicalism allowed. If it happens, the IDF crushes them before they can attack.
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TH36 said:

There's good people everywhere so there's bound to be a Palestinian that hasn't had his/her soul eroded by Hamas types. They need to start finding these people, educate them, and start a new government with these people in place and the promise that the two state solution can become a thing and that Israel will always be an ally to them. Wipe out Hamas and then allow this government to take over and rebuild what's left. No radicalism allowed. If it happens, the IDF crushes them before they can attack.
How has that worked out in Iraq and Afghanistan?

and Libya and Syria?
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$240 Worth of Pudding said:

The sooner people realize that they (the Muslims) have no interest in peace and only the destruction of Israel and the Jewish race, the better off we'll all be.

Ask yourself what the Middle East looks like if the Muslims lay down their weapons. Now, ask yourself what happens if Israel does it.
True.
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It hasn't worked out. The opportunity to change the mindset in Afghanistan was gone after defeating the Russians during the cold war.
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$240 Worth of Pudding said:

The sooner people realize that they (the Muslims) have no interest in peace and only the destruction of Israel and the Jewish race, the better off we'll all be.

Ask yourself what the Middle East looks like if the Muslims lay down their weapons. Now, ask yourself what happens if Israel does it.


What do you think regarding Saudi Arabia and the Americans who do business with them, because that might be seen as enabling them.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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DBird said:

It hasn't worked out. The opportunity to change the mindset in Afghanistan was gone after defeating the Russians during the cold war.
Lets be honest, it was done way before then. Most of the country was still in the 15th century.
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TH36 said:

There's good people everywhere so there's bound to be a Palestinian that hasn't had his/her soul eroded by Hamas types. They need to start finding these people, educate them, and start a new government with these people in place and the promise that the two state solution can become a thing and that Israel will always be an ally to them. Wipe out Hamas and then allow this government to take over and rebuild what's left. No radicalism allowed. If it happens, the IDF crushes them before they can attack.
For every "good" person in Gaza, there are probably 8-10 who think the highest honor their kids can aspire to is to die while killing Jews. Hamas didn't come to power in a vacuum. They came to power because they were voted in by the people of Gaza and then they threw anybody who opposed them off the tops of buildings. The chances of building a popular coalition of "good" people capable of ruling Gaza are nil. The only "2 state" solution that should be on the table is the one where two states (Jordan and Egypt) take in the "Palestinians" and are held responsible for allowing them to attack Israel. The days of allowing a "government" to fill tunnels under a hospital with weapons and then using the hospital as a base to fire rockets and launch attacks on defenseless civilians need to be over forever in Gaza.
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No Spin Ag said:

ttu_85 said:

LMCane said:



From the first day of the war
IF they only had guns.

In my hood every man woman and child would be armed to the teeth. Israel was stupid to disarm its population.
Whoever ordered this, probably the Labour party, is also guilty of this this outrage.

Never give up your guns
I agree. If I lived there I'd have guns near and on me at all times.

They (Israel) seem to have idiotically thought a wall, supported by tech, would be enough to keep out the unwanted. It wasn't.

Then again, if it was someone(s) on the inside of the government that was at fault, all the walls and tech in the world were never going to be enough.
They for some stupid reason had reduced gun ownership for years
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Update from Netanyahu this afternoon (CST): No negotiating/letting up.

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In televised remarks on Friday, Netanyahu once again noted that Israel will not let up until the enemy is defeated and the hostages freed.
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In a brief televised statement before the start of Shabbat, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he has told visiting US Secretary of State Antony Blinken that he rejects any temporary halt to the fight against Hamas that does not include "the release of our hostages. He also says Israel "will not enable the entry of fuel to Gaza."

Netanyahu begins by promising that victory will be "sharp and clear" and will "resonate for generations."

He says Israel's enemies aim to destroy the country and will fail. "We won't stop until victory," he says, specifying that this means "to destroy Hamas, [and attain the] return of the hostages and the restoration of security for our citizens and children."

Good.

Israel-Hamas bears on us all.





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IDF: We uncovered operational plans, comms devices, personal details of Hamas operatives in raid of Jabaliya stronghold

By EMANUEL FABIAN

The large military compound served Hamas's elite Nukhba forces and the terror group's Jabaliya area intelligence unit, according to the IDF. The military said around 50 Hamas terrorists were killed during the assault on the stronghold. Two Israeli soldiers were also killed amid the fighting.

The IDF reveals that it recovered Hamas operational plans, maps, command and control charts, communication devices, and the personal details of commanders and operatives of the terror group.

The materials are being researched now by the 162nd Division's intelligence unit and other officials, and will "be used by the IDF in the future fighting," the military says.

The commander of the Givati Brigade's reconnaissance unit, Lt. Col. "Zayin" who can only be identified by his rank and first initial in Hebrew warns Hamas in a video statement that his unit will capture more strongholds.

"The unit went into the stronghold itself, fought tough battles with terrorists, we killed quite a few, destroyed tunnel shafts, and brought important intelligence materials," the officer says.

"We will continue to raid your strongholds and kill you inside the shafts, underground, and wherever you wait for us," he adds.
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samurai_science said:

No Spin Ag said:

ttu_85 said:

LMCane said:



From the first day of the war
IF they only had guns.

In my hood every man woman and child would be armed to the teeth. Israel was stupid to disarm its population.
Whoever ordered this, probably the Labour party, is also guilty of this this outrage.

Never give up your guns
I agree. If I lived there I'd have guns near and on me at all times.

They (Israel) seem to have idiotically thought a wall, supported by tech, would be enough to keep out the unwanted. It wasn't.

Then again, if it was someone(s) on the inside of the government that was at fault, all the walls and tech in the world were never going to be enough.
They for some stupid reason had reduced gun ownership for years

Where is your actual evidence of this?

the government of Israel has never confiscated guns. so how did they "reduce" gun ownership?
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Pluralizes Everythings said:


Israel will allow a 2 state solution, Muslim controlled nations will not. Anyone "sentenced to war," is done so because Muslims will not acknowledge that Israel & Jewish people have a right to exist.

End of story, no more debate, time to kill terrorists.
The modern day Nazis in Gaza and other terror groups in the Middle East want to exterminate the Jews and wipe them off the face of the earth. Period. When your enemy tells you what they're planning to do, it's best to believe them and act accordingly.

October 7 was a wake up call for Israelis. No more pandering, no more compromising, no more conceding to any other nation's opinions or politics. Israel has to elimate the threat.
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No Spin Ag said:

ttu_85 said:

LMCane said:



From the first day of the war
IF they only had guns.

In my hood every man woman and child would be armed to the teeth. Israel was stupid to disarm its population.
Whoever ordered this, probably the Labour party, is also guilty of this this outrage.

Never give up your guns
I agree. If I lived there I'd have guns near and on me at all times.

They (Israel) seem to have idiotically thought a wall, supported by tech, would be enough to keep out the unwanted. It wasn't.

Walls work to stem the tidalwave of illegal infestation, they're never meant to stop those who want to genocide you. That's what your security forces and intelligence groups are supposed to do. Last defense is you being prepared to defend yourself and family.

Then again, if it was someone(s) on the inside of the government that was at fault, all the walls and tech in the world were never going to be enough.

You're going to have tho elaborate on this one? You think it may have been an inside job?
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No Spin Ag said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

The sooner people realize that they (the Muslims) have no interest in peace and only the destruction of Israel and the Jewish race, the better off we'll all be.

Ask yourself what the Middle East looks like if the Muslims lay down their weapons. Now, ask yourself what happens if Israel does it.


What do you think regarding Saudi Arabia and the Americans who do business with them, because that might be seen as enabling them.


For the most part the Saudis do a good job of policing their crazies. Yes I know that 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, etc. but that's a completely different situation than the Israel/Palestine mess.

I'm not a religious guy but from my point of view the religion of Islam needs their Martin Luther and a reformation and they need it quick. It's the most dangerous religion in the world, bar none.
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Yeah, after 10/7 I've completely given up on a two state solution. It's all Israel. The palestinians just have to leave, one way or another. They had their chance. They made their choice.
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$240 Worth of Pudding said:

No Spin Ag said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

The sooner people realize that they (the Muslims) have no interest in peace and only the destruction of Israel and the Jewish race, the better off we'll all be.

Ask yourself what the Middle East looks like if the Muslims lay down their weapons. Now, ask yourself what happens if Israel does it.


What do you think regarding Saudi Arabia and the Americans who do business with them, because that might be seen as enabling them.


For the most part the Saudis do a good job of policing their crazies. Yes I know that 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, etc. but that's a completely different situation than the Israel/Palestine mess.

I'm not a religious guy but from my point of view the religion of Islam needs their Martin Luther and a reformation and they need it quick. It's the most dangerous religion in the world, bar none.

Not going to happen. Luther lashed out at the corruption of the RC church. Muslims are doing exactly what their prophet instructed them to do - kill Infidels. Their version of a Martin Luther might be able to persuade them to stop beheading babies or burning people alive, but he could never convince them to stop killing Jews.
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$240 Worth of Pudding said:

No Spin Ag said:

$240 Worth of Pudding said:

The sooner people realize that they (the Muslims) have no interest in peace and only the destruction of Israel and the Jewish race, the better off we'll all be.

Ask yourself what the Middle East looks like if the Muslims lay down their weapons. Now, ask yourself what happens if Israel does it.


What do you think regarding Saudi Arabia and the Americans who do business with them, because that might be seen as enabling them.


For the most part the Saudis do a good job of policing their crazies. Yes I know that 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, etc. but that's a completely different situation than the Israel/Palestine mess.

I'm not a religious guy but from my point of view the religion of Islam needs their Martin Luther and a reformation and they need it quick. It's the most dangerous religion in the world, bar none.


So then it's not all Muslims you have a problem with, only the crazy ones?
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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