Israel/Hamas going at it

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8:04p, 10/29/23
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In reply to jabberwalkie09 • 8:19p, 10/29/23
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jabberwalkie09 said:

I thought they just retired the Littoral ships? Yet there's one near Cypress.
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In reply to flakrat • 8:29p, 10/29/23
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They decommissioned some of the early LCS but there isn't one on that graphic
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 8:31p, 10/29/23
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The Fall Guy said:
Had to dig to find this. US did hit Iranian proxies again today.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-770748
I think we've been doing that for a number of years now.
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9:05p, 10/29/23
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Turkey and Iran hate each other and are burgeoning geopolitical rivals.

Turks are not fans of Hezbollah or the destabilization of Lebanon by the Shia groups.

Any intervention by Turkey would likely be focused on Lebanon/Syria and would have similar goals as the Israelis. Erdogan would also never want to be seen working with Israel for domestic reasons.

The ME is a complicated mess.
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In reply to samurai_science • 10:06p, 10/29/23

[Stop derailing the thread. This one is about the ongoing Israel and Hamas conflict -- Staff]
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5:25a, 10/30/23
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Screw it, I'm good with a huge war.
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In reply to 45-70Ag • 6:32a, 10/30/23
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Yes, these radical groups, and those that support them, need to be eradicated from the planet.
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6:32a, 10/30/23
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Just thinking through what the whole Hamas strategy has been. All I can tell is that they successfully pissed off Israel and captured 200+ hostages. Was the end game to hope for a prisoner exchange for these hostages? Hope for Hezbollah to intervene on the north? You'd think they maybe would have gathered support prior to escalating things. Obviously shooting a lot of rockets into Israel from Gaza hasn't ever done much, at least strategically. Most are intercepted or do not hit anything. At this point at least, just confused if they really had any plan beyond the Oct 7 attack.
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In reply to 10andBOUNCE • 6:36a, 10/30/23
10andBOUNCE said:
Just thinking through what the whole Hamas strategy has been. All I can tell is that they successfully pissed off Israel and captured 200+ hostages. Was the end game to hope for a prisoner exchange for these hostages? Hope for Hezbollah to intervene on the north? You'd think they maybe would have gathered support prior to escalating things. Obviously shooting a lot of rockets into Israel from Gaza hasn't ever done much, at least strategically. Most are intercepted or do not hit anything. At this point at least, just confused if they really had any plan beyond the Oct 7 attack.
You're thinking of Hamas as an independent entity. Think of them as an Iranian proxy and the goals make more sense strategically.
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In reply to 10andBOUNCE • 6:41a, 10/30/23
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Hamas leadership is safe in places like Qatar, London, Germany, Moscow etc. If anything, their popularity has risen. Given the history, and tenets of islam itself which is quite explicit, this is probably a positive play for funding/support for their leadership.

Check out literally any arab media throughout the world (including in the US) and you will feel like it's the twilight zone.
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6:48a, 10/30/23
Even the Nazis allowed non-nationals to flee Europe in late 1939!

Hamas is blocking foreign nationals including Britons from leaving Gaza

The United States said on Sunday, as Israel sent more troops into the strip to join a ground offensive.

Britain was on Sunday working to rescue trapped citizens as civil disorder and looting broke out at UN aid warehouses in besieged Gaza.

American officials said that Israel and Egypt were prepared to let foreigners leave the Strip which is under heavy Israeli bombardment, but Hamas had refused.

At least 200 British citizens are thought to be registered with the UK authorities inside the coastal enclave, and some 600 Americans, as well as many other nationalities.

Jake Sullivan, the White House's chief security adviser, said: "The Egyptians are prepared to let Americans and other foreign nationals out of Gaza. The Israelis have no issue with that. But Hamas is preventing their departure and making a series of demands."

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In reply to 45-70Ag • 7:06a, 10/30/23
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45-70Ag said:


Screw it, I'm good with a huge war.
I keep seeing people say "where's the evidence?" as if Israel is making things up.

Hamas FILMED it THEMSELVES and then PUT IT ON THE INTERNET!!!

THAT is your evidence.

This is the kind of stuff that needs to be erased from the world.
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In reply to 45-70Ag • 7:08a, 10/30/23
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Screw it, I'm good with a huge war.
I read this last night and almost lost it. I have seen tons of horrific stuff in my adult life due to my line of work and reading that was one of the most heartbreaking mental images I can think of.
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7:13a, 10/30/23
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Interesting, if true.


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In reply to Ag with kids • 8:01a, 10/30/23
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45-70Ag said:


Screw it, I'm good with a huge war.
I keep seeing people say "where's the evidence?" as if Israel is making things up.

Hamas FILMED it THEMSELVES and then PUT IT ON THE INTERNET!!!

THAT is your evidence.

This is the kind of stuff that needs to be erased from the world.
Yep this is worth throwing down big time. Full bore. Any people or culture that finds this sort of thing acceptable needs to be obliterated.

This is some sick F'ed up stuff that has no place anywhere on this planet.

Really, who the **** puts a baby in an oven!!! As stated above the whack jobs in question put this insanity on internet themselves. Anybody that had anything to do with this needs to be skinned- after fair trails or in combat either is fine with me.

Death by a sniper or 750 lbs bunker buster is way to easy for these SOBS. But it will do.
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In reply to LMCane • 8:11a, 10/30/23
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Wow so it is an open air prison. It's just not the Israeli's that are the prison guards. It's Hamas. I wish the stupid dip****s rooting for them would get a clue.
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8:17a, 10/30/23
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Something that has become clear with this conflict. The main stream media narrative gets obliterated within hours. We can all thank Elon and other social media outlets for that.
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In reply to 10andBOUNCE • 8:20a, 10/30/23
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10andBOUNCE said:
Just thinking through what the whole Hamas strategy has been. All I can tell is that they successfully pissed off Israel and captured 200+ hostages. Was the end game to hope for a prisoner exchange for these hostages? Hope for Hezbollah to intervene on the north? You'd think they maybe would have gathered support prior to escalating things. Obviously shooting a lot of rockets into Israel from Gaza hasn't ever done much, at least strategically. Most are intercepted or do not hit anything. At this point at least, just confused if they really had any plan beyond the Oct 7 attack.
The more I read about what went on, I think the Hamas plan was to try to attack some Israeli military posts and breach the barriers. They sent a bunch of green jihadis who had very little info and very little training. Their instructions were reportedly to "bring back hostages". I don't think anybody on the Hamas side expected the attack to be so successful and for the Israeli defenses to fail so spectacularly. So they ended up with several hundred foaming at the mouth jihadis running around with free access to a bunch of unsuspecting civilians.

Iran wanted a big attack and lots of Israeli hostages to tie up the middle east and put the brakes on the peace talks between the Saudis and the Israelis. I don't think they had any concept of how far beyond that their lackeys would go and how badly they would piss off the Israelis in doing so. I think they wanted to use Hezbollah to poke the Israelis in the butt every time they turned their full attention to Hamas. But I think even Hezbollah wants no part of how pissed the Israelis are right now. They could be overwhelming the Iron Dome systems with their rockets and missiles if they wanted, but they know it will mean a huge overwhelmingly disproportionate response if they do it.
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In reply to JayHowdy! • 8:30a, 10/30/23
JayHowdy! said:
Dan Scott said:
Hezbollah appears to be joining the war. Their leader Hassan Nasrullah has been quiet but earlier this week Hezbollah released this tease with the caption "Wait for him"



Then today Hezbollah released this tease



And it's being reported he will make his first public speech since this all started Friday 3PM Lebanon time.
I don't get why they announce on a Sunday a speech for Friday? Everything could change by then.
This would be one of the stupidest strategic mistakes in the history of warfare

Hizbullah/Iran's real opportunity lay on October 7

to jointly attack across the Israeli frontier and they would have had as many easy targets to murder as Hamas did.

now they are going to be going up against an entire Armored division with artillery and recon units. plus Israel has already evacuated all of the border communities along the Lebanon Blue Line.
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In reply to zgolfz85 • 8:40a, 10/30/23
zgolfz85 said:
The Russians storming the airports didn't appear to me all middle easterners and far from it. That tells me the anti-Israeli (anti jew let's be honest) propaganda in Russia must be raging
Fun Fact:

Chechens are Muslims but don't look like Middle Easterners (because they aren't) and are part of the Russian Republic.

another fun fact: Dagestan is filled with Muslims who are part of the Russian Republic. They also look like Caucasians and not Middle Easterners.
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In reply to 45-70Ag • 8:52a, 10/30/23
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45-70Ag said:


Screw it, I'm good with a huge war.
This is sickening. Shades of Molech.

Yeah, the only thing you can do with evil like this is obliterate it completely.

Edit - removed a bit that was over the top. My disgust for Hamas and what they did sometimes overloads my brain.
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In reply to 10andBOUNCE • 8:54a, 10/30/23
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10andBOUNCE said:
Just thinking through what the whole Hamas strategy has been. All I can tell is that they successfully pissed off Israel and captured 200+ hostages. Was the end game to hope for a prisoner exchange for these hostages? Hope for Hezbollah to intervene on the north? You'd think they maybe would have gathered support prior to escalating things. Obviously shooting a lot of rockets into Israel from Gaza hasn't ever done much, at least strategically. Most are intercepted or do not hit anything. At this point at least, just confused if they really had any plan beyond the Oct 7 attack.
They wanted to inflame Israel so much with their war crimes (captured on GoPros!) that they forced Israel into a long bloody invasion of Gaza, thereby inflaming the rest of the world against Israel and possibly kicking off a major war.

The world had mostly forgotten about the Gaza Strip and Saudi Arabia was about to sign a historic peace accord. Iran wasn't going to let that happen.

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In reply to Ag87H2O • 8:55a, 10/30/23
Ag87H2O said:
45-70Ag said:


Screw it, I'm good with a huge war.
This is sickening. Shades of Molech.

Yeah, the only thing you can do with evil like this is obliterate it completely. The leadership and everyone that supports their barbaric, genocidal agenda.
That's the clear majority of the world.
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8:55a, 10/30/23
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If you're looking for current live feeds, I've liked these two the best. Four different camera views each.



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8:58a, 10/30/23
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The Hamas/Palestinians have taken over 200 people HOSTAGE.

The muslims all over the world seem to gloss over this fact while on their way to calling for "Free Palestine" and "Cease Fire" and "Kill all the Jews".

Then, these same muslims say that Hamas isn't a terrorist organization. 200+ hostages, but not a terrorist organization? This is human trafficking on a major level and a war crime in itself. Oh, and let's just "forget" about Hamas crossing the border into Israel and the murdering of people and children in their homes. We need to focus on a "cease fire".

It seems like that if these people and muslims had their way, they would exterminate every Jew from the face of the Earth. Israel will do what they need to do to Hamas. But, I'm done with the excuses and the people that support Hamas and Palestine. Those people are almost just as bad.

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In reply to CDUB98 • 9:02a, 10/30/23
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How are these cameras up and running and getting out? Thought all power and internet was out in the area but the Hospital view is still up and running?
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In reply to LMCane • 9:03a, 10/30/23
LMCane said:


Sadly, her losing her head was likely the least painful thing she experienced.

Israel better not take an prisoners, but if they do, they need to place the animals in a place that would make our worst black site look like paradise.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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In reply to dtkprowler • 9:03a, 10/30/23
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dtkprowler said:
How are these cameras up and running and getting out? Thought all power and internet was out in the area but the Hospital view is still up and running?
Internet has been restored.
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In reply to dtkprowler • 9:05a, 10/30/23
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dtkprowler said:
How are these cameras up and running and getting out? Thought all power and internet was out in the area but the Hospital view is still up and running?
I dunno.

My guess is that all but the Gaza hospital are from outside Gaza. Some others have said that those with American SIM cards can get some connection with towers right outside Gaza.
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9:07a, 10/30/23
from a military perspective:

1. yes it bites to have to engage in urban warfare where the enemy are a group of terrorists hiding amongst civilians

2. on the other hand, these IDF convoys of armored vehicles we see on video moving parallel to the border over the course of an hour would have been completely annihilated if they were trying the same thing against Russians in Ukraine

3. so there are actual tangible benefits to fighting terrorists instead of being in a two year long war against a peer enemy armed with thousands of UAVs and artillery pieces.
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9:10a, 10/30/23
maybe THIS is why Israel is not going to stop until they have killed thousands of Hamas terrorists:



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9:12a, 10/30/23
And not surprisingly, Hamas terrorists giving false hope to the families of the missing

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In reply to LMCane • 9:14a, 10/30/23
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Damn, I dont know if you ever recover from seeing things like that.
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