I don't think IDF goes in Gaza as well. At least not full scale. They don't want a war as much as Hamas and Iran do. They will bomb certain targets until they declare that Hamas as essentially been destroyed and unable to operate.
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"I'm not suggesting that Hamas deliberately did it," the president said at Ramstein Air Base in Germany en route back to Washington after visiting Israel earlier in the day.
"It's that old thing: Gotta learn how to shoot straight," Biden went on.
"It's not the first time that Hamas has launched something that didn't function very well."Biden: “Hamas… gotta learn how to shoot straight” pic.twitter.com/45lhUP6Mpu
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Not so sure about that.AustinCountyAg said:
I don't think IDF goes in Gaza as well. At least not full scale. They don't want a war as much as Hamas and Iran do. They will bomb certain targets until they declare that Hamas as essentially been destroyed and unable to operate.
BQ78 said:
They can't afford to half ass this event, they will be going in and destroying Hamas as an effective organization for decades and if they ever do come back , it won't be in Gaza. Anything less and Israel jeopardizes their future existence, at worst or keeps suffering attacks for a hundred years, at best.
The IDF and Israel is quickly reaching a point at which they have to do one of two things: demobilize the troops and send reservists back to their civilian jobs, or go in to Gaza and solve the problem. Make no mistake, calling up 300,000 reservists on orders is going to have economic repercussions for Israel. Politically, I can't see how they don't go in and deal with Hamas in the the only language that Hamas knows how to communicate, violence. Not dealing with Hamas after 10/7/2023 would be political death given how the country has reacted to some of the changes happening in their government.AustinCountyAg said:
I don't think IDF goes in Gaza as well. At least not full scale. They don't want a war as much as Hamas and Iran do. They will bomb certain targets until they declare that Hamas as essentially been destroyed and unable to operate.
Bunk Moreland said:
The fact that they haven't gone in already tells me they're being hamstrung (by the US).
And that's a shame. I don't wish devastation on the Palestinian people who have no role in this, but Israel must respond and Hamas must be rooted out. Right now I get the sense that we're in a situation where Israel is being courted by multiple bidders on how expensive a price it would be for them NOT to go in, and they're listening.
If they really meant it they would have started moving by now.
maybe they don't do things on your timetableBunk Moreland said:
The fact that they haven't gone in already tells me they're being hamstrung (by the US).
And that's a shame. I don't wish devastation on the Palestinian people who have no role in this, but Israel must respond and Hamas must be rooted out. Right now I get the sense that we're in a situation where Israel is being courted by multiple bidders on how expensive a price it would be for them NOT to go in, and they're listening.
If they really meant it they would have started moving by now.
They probably will, but its not gonna be pretty. Troops are very green. Gaza has had decades to prepare. The weather has been favoring Gaza. All those intangibles that slant battles have been working against Israel.jabberwalkie09 said:The IDF and Israel is quickly reaching a point at which they have to do one of two things: demobilize the troops and send reservists back to their civilian jobs, or go in to Gaza and solve the problem. Make no mistake, calling up 300,000 reservists on orders is going to have economic repercussions for Israel. Politically, I can't see how they don't go in and deal with Hamas in the the only language that Hamas knows how to communicate, violence. Not dealing with Hamas after 10/7/2023 would be political death given how the country has reacted to some of the changes happening in their government.AustinCountyAg said:
I don't think IDF goes in Gaza as well. At least not full scale. They don't want a war as much as Hamas and Iran do. They will bomb certain targets until they declare that Hamas as essentially been destroyed and unable to operate.
Israel has little choice other than to go in, imo.
Two strike carrier groups in the region, say different.Bunk Moreland said:
I pray you guys are right but imo it feels like diplomatic situations are stepping in to limit or deter an invasion of Gaza.
To the extent that Hamas is (or was) an effective organization, I doubt that there is much in Gaza to destroy that would affect that meaningfully. The people who bankrolled the recent invasion are in Tehran, and the leaders of Hamas are in Qatar. I don't see a military solution for the problem, barring a far more widespread regional war.BQ78 said:
They can't afford to half ass this event, they will be going in and destroying Hamas as an effective organization for decades and if they ever do come back , it won't be in Gaza. Anything less and Israel jeopardizes their future existence, at worst or keeps suffering attacks for a hundred years, at best.
They will change the governance of Gaza.Slackjaw62 said:To the extent that Hamas is (or was) an effective organization, I doubt that there is much in Gaza to destroy that would affect that meaningfully. The people who bankrolled the recent invasion are in Tehran, and the leaders of Hamas are in Qatar. I don't see a military solution for the problem, barring a far more widespread regional war.BQ78 said:
They can't afford to half ass this event, they will be going in and destroying Hamas as an effective organization for decades and if they ever do come back , it won't be in Gaza. Anything less and Israel jeopardizes their future existence, at worst or keeps suffering attacks for a hundred years, at best.
Sure, Israel can invade Gaza, destroy weapons caches and blow up all the Hamas tunnels they can find, but they won't eliminate the future supply of terrorists.
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Sure, Israel can invade Gaza, destroy weapons caches and blow up all the Hamas tunnels they can find, but they won't eliminate the future supply of terrorists.
Cliff.Booth said:
I've also been surprised they haven't gone in yet, but I think it is a reminder of their professionalism. It would have been very easy given what Hamas did to roll in quickly just to lay down some hate, but I am guessing their brass and intelligence people knew this type of campaign on the scale it will have to be will need study and preparation and can't be done haphazardly. I believe it starts pretty soon and the systematic nature of the work helps make sense of this two week build up.
TheBonifaceOption said:They probably will, but it's not gonna be pretty. Troops are very green. Gaza has had decades to prepare. The weather has been favoring Gaza. All those intangibles that slant battles have been working against Israel.jabberwalkie09 said:The IDF and Israel is quickly reaching a point at which they have to do one of two things: demobilize the troops and send reservists back to their civilian jobs, or go in to Gaza and solve the problem. Make no mistake, calling up 300,000 reservists on orders is going to have economic repercussions for Israel. Politically, I can't see how they don't go in and deal with Hamas in the the only language that Hamas knows how to communicate, violence. Not dealing with Hamas after 10/7/2023 would be political death given how the country has reacted to some of the changes happening in their government.AustinCountyAg said:
I don't think IDF goes in Gaza as well. At least not full scale. They don't want a war as much as Hamas and Iran do. They will bomb certain targets until they declare that Hamas as essentially been destroyed and unable to operate.
Israel has little choice other than to go in, imo.
Politically, Netanyahu doesn't have a choice. At some point he's going to have to answer for the intelligence failures. He can't afford for there to be another failure in the severity and success of the response. Nothing short of the complete destruction of Hamas will be acceptable.aggiehawg said:Not so sure about that.AustinCountyAg said:
I don't think IDF goes in Gaza as well. At least not full scale. They don't want a war as much as Hamas and Iran do. They will bomb certain targets until they declare that Hamas as essentially been destroyed and unable to operate.
This was not the usual lobbing some rockets type of attack. Hamas murdered over 1300 Israeli civilians including small children and and a few actual soldiers. In an undeclared war, which Hamas cannot do because they are not a state actor.
We invaded Afghanistan, a country, because they would not hand over Bin Laden after 9/11.
Gaza is too controlled by Hamas and will not turn over their terrorists either. Is there even a choice there?
I fervenlty wished the people in Gaza had chosen a differnt path but they did not.
Sadly, I think it's more nefarious than that.Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
I'm convinced that all of these bleeding hearts that want humanitarian aid for Gaza don't give a crap that most of it will end up in Hammas' hands. All they care about is that it's "compassionate" and feels good.
RGLAG85 said:Sadly, I think it's more nefarious than that.Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
I'm convinced that all of these bleeding hearts that want humanitarian aid for Gaza don't give a crap that most of it will end up in Hammas' hands. All they care about is that it's "compassionate" and feels good.
Bunk Moreland said:
I pray you guys are right but imo it feels like diplomatic situations are stepping in to limit or deter an invasion of Gaza.
Slackjaw62 said:To the extent that Hamas is (or was) an effective organization, I doubt that there is much in Gaza to destroy that would affect that meaningfully. The people who bankrolled the recent invasion are in Tehran, and the leaders of Hamas are in Qatar. I don't see a military solution for the problem, barring a far more widespread regional war.BQ78 said:
They can't afford to half ass this event, they will be going in and destroying Hamas as an effective organization for decades and if they ever do come back , it won't be in Gaza. Anything less and Israel jeopardizes their future existence, at worst or keeps suffering attacks for a hundred years, at best.
Sure, Israel can invade Gaza, destroy weapons caches and blow up all the Hamas tunnels they can find, but they won't eliminate the future supply of terrorists.
Israel's military campaign 'will be unmatched in its ferocity and unlike anything Israel has carried out in Gaza in the past' according to eight regional and Western officials, per Reuters.
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 19, 2023
The IDF say they destroyed terror infrastructure in the Gaza Strip and killed terror operatives, including senior members of different terror organizations, including the head of the military branch of the "Popular Resistance Committees" in Rafah
— KT "Special CIA Operation" (@KremlinTrolls) October 19, 2023
During the fighting, numerous… pic.twitter.com/ikzeFzF9FP
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The IDF say they destroyed terror infrastructure in the Gaza Strip and killed terror operatives, including senior members of different terror organizations, including the head of the military branch of the "Popular Resistance Committees" in Rafah
During the fighting, numerous Hamas terror operatives belonging to the "Nukbha" forces, who led the barbaric invasion of the communities surrounding the Gaza Strip, were targeted. More than ten terrorists were targeted in a precision aerial strike.
IDF fighter jets, based on ISA intelligence, struck the head of the military branch of the "Popular Resistance Committees" terror organization in Rafah, Rafat Harb Hussein Abu Hilal.
Joes said:RGLAG85 said:Sadly, I think it's more nefarious than that.Hubert J. Farnsworth said:
I'm convinced that all of these bleeding hearts that want humanitarian aid for Gaza don't give a crap that most of it will end up in Hammas' hands. All they care about is that it's "compassionate" and feels good.
Yep. Me too.