I'd support an animal aide movement to go in and rescue all the dogs and Steve the War Chicken before helping the terrorists.Bellards Boys said:
Can we stop with the "humanitarian aide" words for Gaza...humanitarians don't behave lower than the animal kingdom.
Why dont we call a spade a spade, and refer to it as "terrorist aide". That is closer to the truth.
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aezmvp said:
7. Hezbollah launches significant rocket attack against US Med task force, injuries and deaths occur.
A hit on a moving ship with Hamas's unguided rockets would be incredibly (un)lucky. Not to mention Hamas' max rocket range is 160km. I would bet our ships are further of the coast than that.
Edit: I replied based on Hamas but if we're talking rockets, it's the same for Hezbollah. Supposedly Hezbollah does have guided missiles, though. I still feel fairly confident in our carrier groups' abilities to defend against Hezbollah missiles.
Aid is something you give. Aide is a staff position.
There are rules of war. We and Israel must abide by them. Humanitarian aid is a must. Non-Combatants must be helped if possible. It doesn't matter who they are or which side they support.
Hammas are not abiding by the rules of war and are using our compliance with those rules to hide behind non-combatants. That is unfortunate, but does not allow us or Israel to just throw the rules to the side when it suits us.
Hammas will have to be dealt with within the confines of the rules.
Hammas are not abiding by the rules of war and are using our compliance with those rules to hide behind non-combatants. That is unfortunate, but does not allow us or Israel to just throw the rules to the side when it suits us.
Hammas will have to be dealt with within the confines of the rules.
Broncos said:I'd support an animal aide movement to go in and rescue all the dogs and Steve the War Chicken before helping the terrorists.Bellards Boys said:
Can we stop with the "humanitarian aide" words for Gaza...humanitarians don't behave lower than the animal kingdom.
Why dont we call a spade a spade, and refer to it as "terrorist aide". That is closer to the truth.
I'd help all the rodents escape before I'd help one civilian who chants and protests in favor of Israeli genocide and death to America.
The attitude that ensures that we will never win a war agin.
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This is why it is so difficult to counter a foe like this. I completely agree in sentiment. Hamas does not care about innocents. Any sort of intervener in the Middle East will always be held to a higher standard than they hold themselves. It's just the way the world works in Arab culture.
That's kind of the crux of some arguments.Quote:
Non-Combatants must be helped if possible.
When a citizen is fully aiding and abetting the terrorists, ie, they'll give up the food and water to Hamas, are they really just a regular non-combatant?
The only rule in war is win.Houston Lee said:
There are rules of war. We and Israel must abide by them. Humanitarian aide is a must. Non-Combatants must be helped if possible. It doesn't matter who they are or which side they support.
Hammas are not abiding by the rules of war and are using our compliance with those rules to hide behind non-combatants. That is unfortunate, but does not allow us or Israel to just throw the rules to the side when it suits us.
Hammas will have to be dealt with within the confines of the rules.
Where did you make this BS up from? There is nothing like that in the Geneva Convention. You can't target or murder civilians (like Hamas did) but you are not obliged to take care or help them. If they can't get themselves out of a war zone that is on them.Quote:
Non-Combatants must be helped if possible.
Any aid needed by the poor Palestinians we should put the Israeli's in charge of distributing as they move forward on the ground/as the Hamas *******s disarm, willingly or not.
agdoc2001 said:
The attitude that ensures that we will never win a war agin.
Not even close to being accurate.
Just like 9/11, the attack by Hamas itself was not designed to do anything other than elicit the response. Baiting the response is the strategy. Committing the atrocity is the tactic to get there.
Very few around the world faulted the United States in their response in Afghanistan following 9/11, but we let ourselves get into a war frenzy and invaded Iraq for less than reliable reasons. It's that sort of war frenzy mindset that only helps organizations like Hamas and these malicious actors who rely on bad will to be able to recruit.
The whole point of this plot was to bait a response to help turn the clock back on any sort of hope for lasting peace between Israel and the Arab world, sponsored by Iran because a stable and mutually recognized Arab-Israeli world is their worst fear.
They wanted Israel's reaction to be so severe that they would lose support in the Arab world, and it seems to have worked.
Very few around the world faulted the United States in their response in Afghanistan following 9/11, but we let ourselves get into a war frenzy and invaded Iraq for less than reliable reasons. It's that sort of war frenzy mindset that only helps organizations like Hamas and these malicious actors who rely on bad will to be able to recruit.
The whole point of this plot was to bait a response to help turn the clock back on any sort of hope for lasting peace between Israel and the Arab world, sponsored by Iran because a stable and mutually recognized Arab-Israeli world is their worst fear.
They wanted Israel's reaction to be so severe that they would lose support in the Arab world, and it seems to have worked.
You mean the citizens no other sunni, shia or persian country wants to have anything to do with?CDUB98 said:That's kind of the crux of some arguments.Quote:
Non-Combatants must be helped if possible.
When a citizen is fully aiding and abetting the terrorists, ie, they'll give up the food and water to Hamas, are they really just a regular non-combatant?
It's weird the only place they have been somewhat welcomed and provided for is the place they have an ideological bent toward destroying.
It's not wrong to say non-combatants should be treated as such but this is way more complicated than a binary option.
BQ78 said:Where did you make this BS up from? There is nothing like that in the Geneva Convention. You can't target or murder civilians (like Hamas did) but you are not obliged to take care or help them. If they can't get themselves out of a war zone that is on them.Quote:
Non-Combatants must be helped if possible.
What do you think "if possible" means in the very sentence you highlighted?
Relocation will not do any good… that is not what they want, they'll just come back. They want Jerusalem, this is a holy war and they and others supporting them want the Holy Land at all cost.
Gloves came off = way off last week.
Sub-animal behavior begets suffering, and it is termed "reaping what you sow".
If you are going to "win", you must possess a stomach for what must be done. If you don't want to "win", then invest in environmental causes while awaiting your own destruction.
Sub-animal behavior begets suffering, and it is termed "reaping what you sow".
If you are going to "win", you must possess a stomach for what must be done. If you don't want to "win", then invest in environmental causes while awaiting your own destruction.
BB's
Well since you made it up, you tell me.
Houston Lee said:agdoc2001 said:
The attitude that ensures that we will never win a war agin.
Not even close to being accurate.
It is.
Basically the trick is to eliminate the enemy, while keeping dissenters quiet untill the conflict/war has ended.
By the time the conflict is over, and like 10 people are protesting on a bridge with a support Palestine flag, there won't be any Palestinians left for anyone to argue over.
...Which is a good thing. Right now Israel has an enormous logistical challenge to navigate in this conflict, and are facing enemies that do not respect your silly rules.
Anyone who chooses to ride a bicycle in the street is a threat to themselves, and others. If a vehicle strikes you accidentally, YOU are at fault; and the laws of physics supercede all else when you're in the path of a 2 ton killing machine. Know your place, stay off the road.
Indefensible. This antisemitic radical should be fired immediately.
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) October 18, 2023
Biden “Department of Homeland Security officer is repeatedly posting pictures of Hamas terrorists parachuting in with guns and writing, ‘F*** Israel and any Jew who supports Israel.’” https://t.co/bO7jOCrYnI
Reading comprehension is not your friend.
Thank you for the correction...i truly appreciate it.
BB's
ATX_AG_08 said:Indefensible. This antisemitic radical should be fired immediately.
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) October 18, 2023
Biden “Department of Homeland Security officer is repeatedly posting pictures of Hamas terrorists parachuting in with guns and writing, ‘F*** Israel and any Jew who supports Israel.’” https://t.co/bO7jOCrYnI
Dailywire has a good article on her. She's nuts, and I honestly cannot believe she holds the position she does.
Anyone who chooses to ride a bicycle in the street is a threat to themselves, and others. If a vehicle strikes you accidentally, YOU are at fault; and the laws of physics supercede all else when you're in the path of a 2 ton killing machine. Know your place, stay off the road.
It's not even really about land. They want the Jews eradicated.junior 07 said:
Relocation will not do any good… that is not what they want, they'll just come back. They want Jerusalem, this is a holy war and they and others supporting them want the Holy Land at all cost.
How do these morons even get jobs?
Bellards Boys said:
Can we stop with the "humanitarian aide" words for Gaza...humanitarians don't behave lower than the animal kingdom.
Why dont we call a spade a spade, and refer to it as "terrorist aide". That is closer to the truth.
The same people we help on human grounds will wake up and have no problems killing us as non muslims.
The relatively stable governments in Egypt and Jordan do not want a bunch of uneducated and skillless young men in their territory. Those are prime candidates for radicalization. The problem with Gaza in large part is the complete lack of a system that rewards good behavior and responsibility. 70% of the population completely relies on foreign aid for survival. Healthy, stable enterprise is almost non-existent. Much of this has to do with their lack of real government. Hamas is not one unified group, but rather a bunch of small groups running around under one umbrella and they have essentially made it impossible for the local population to thrive.
Most of these young men grow up knowing they really don't have much hope for actually making anything happen with their lives, which makes them prone to be hyper-religious and not caring whether they live or die. It's the only legacy they feel they have the option to have.
When you are fighting a war against these people, you aren't just fighting against guns and rockets you are fighting against a complete mindset that is incredibly difficult to overcome.
The best solution for Gaza is to depopulate the area but no one wants to do that.
Most of these young men grow up knowing they really don't have much hope for actually making anything happen with their lives, which makes them prone to be hyper-religious and not caring whether they live or die. It's the only legacy they feel they have the option to have.
When you are fighting a war against these people, you aren't just fighting against guns and rockets you are fighting against a complete mindset that is incredibly difficult to overcome.
The best solution for Gaza is to depopulate the area but no one wants to do that.
Mary Bailey said:It's not even really about land. They want the Jews eradicated.junior 07 said:
Relocation will not do any good… that is not what they want, they'll just come back. They want Jerusalem, this is a holy war and they and others supporting them want the Holy Land at all cost.
Eradicated in such a way that human suffering is maximized.
When that's what you're up against the rules don't matter anymore. It's kill or be killed, rules of engagement be damned.
Anyone who chooses to ride a bicycle in the street is a threat to themselves, and others. If a vehicle strikes you accidentally, YOU are at fault; and the laws of physics supercede all else when you're in the path of a 2 ton killing machine. Know your place, stay off the road.
What I meant, they don't want the "Holy Land" they want its memory wiped from existence. It's a Holy War.
The talk on the Biden Administration has been are they fools or doing it on purpose? If this doesn't convince you of the latter, I don't know what to say.
Pluralizes Everythings said:ATX_AG_08 said:Indefensible. This antisemitic radical should be fired immediately.
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) October 18, 2023
Biden “Department of Homeland Security officer is repeatedly posting pictures of Hamas terrorists parachuting in with guns and writing, ‘F*** Israel and any Jew who supports Israel.’” https://t.co/bO7jOCrYnI
Dailywire has a good article on her. She's nuts, and I honestly cannot believe she holds the position she does.
There are several thing which are very striking about this issue:
1) that someone in a position of authority thinks "death to Jews" is acceptable to say. But our culture, and especially the leftists in power (political and economic/technological), have ignored this sentiment being repeated ad nauseam, and even tacitly encouraged it by repeating related talking points, so it's emboldened the hate speech and made people believe that it's an acceptable standard.
2) that our DHS is so inefficient and ineffective that they didn't catch the red flags in this woman's background, or
3) that our DHS knew about her background but somehow didn't consider it a red flag
Truly a crazy story that speaks volumes.
Democrat activist fill the fed gov. Jobs.
Houston Lee said:
There are rules of war. We and Israel must abide by them. Humanitarian aid is a must. Non-Combatants must be helped if possible. It doesn't matter who they are or which side they support.
Hammas are not abiding by the rules of war and are using our compliance with those rules to hide behind non-combatants. That is unfortunate, but does not allow us or Israel to just throw the rules to the side when it suits us.
Hammas will have to be dealt with within the confines of the rules.
I wish we had a president and word leaders that told people who think like this to go **** themselves and instead get the job done quick and effectively.
Israel still has plenty of leeway in attacking Hamas where they are in these densely populated areas. If they have to blow up an apartment building, they can, and have been very adept at not only hitting the right building, but the floor they are aiming at.Tom Kazansky 2012 said:Houston Lee said:
There are rules of war. We and Israel must abide by them. Humanitarian aid is a must. Non-Combatants must be helped if possible. It doesn't matter who they are or which side they support.
Hammas are not abiding by the rules of war and are using our compliance with those rules to hide behind non-combatants. That is unfortunate, but does not allow us or Israel to just throw the rules to the side when it suits us.
Hammas will have to be dealt with within the confines of the rules.
I wish we had a president and word leaders that told people who think like this to go **** themselves and instead get the job done quick and effectively.
They do need to secure an area in Gaza to provide this humanitarian aid.
We do. Nothing has changed in that regard. Fortunately there are press liaisons that ensure that the warm fuzzy stories concerning the "rules of war" make their way back for folks like young Mr. Lee to consume. The open press concept of Vietnam was a valuable lesson.
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