TAMUallen said:

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For Biden now bringing up the rules of war and AOC saying the Israelis are committing war crimes against the poor innocent people of Gaza....

We firebombed 67 Japanese cities killing anywhere from 200,000 people to 1 million. It's war. It isn't a White House bbq

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Don't let them turn this into something it isn't. Israel is not murdering citizens. Their goal is Hamas. Potential to be casualties. Yes.

But Hamas could also let all the citizens go and not cower behind them. Israel is not murdering palestines. Hamas is.

Don't let them change the narrative

Give them hell a bit earlier than anticipated...

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On the night of March 9, 1945, U.S. warplanes launch a new bombing offensive against Japan, dropping 2,000 tons of incendiary bombs on Tokyo over the course of the next 48 hours. Almost 16 square miles in and around the Japanese capital were incinerated, and between 80,000 and 130,000 Japanese civilians were killed in the worst single firestorm in recorded history.

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Give Hamas and Gaza something it will never forget.

If someone had done this to the nation of our grandparents, then all rules would have been off and a WWII-era Hamas would have been fortunate to see anyone left standing after they were done with them.

I'm certain Blinken is going over there to beg the Israelis to tie one hand behind their backs and let bygones by bygones.

I'm equally certain Netanyahu and those with him are more aligned with the total war philosophy of the WWII generation and will tell Blinken what he can do with his proposal.

Wrec86 Ag said:

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Rebel Yell said:

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Wrec86 Ag said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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The population of Gaza is about 2 million. Nearly half are children.

Millions of innocent people cannot be made to pay for Hamas’ horror.

Collective punishment is a war crime. So are blockades to food and water.

We cannot allow dehumanization to descend into further atrocity. https://t.co/fRnbV29lVU

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) October 11, 2023

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Goodluck with that AOC!

War crimes are what you've seen from Hamas. FAFO

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I am nowhere near an AOC supporter, but I don't think Hamas committing war crimes means that you should do so in return.

That makes you no better than they are.

If 56% of the country voted for Hamas, that means that 44% didn't. Do you want to be held accountable with your life for everything that Joe Biden does? (assuming you are a conservative)

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You are correct . . . if the war crimes you are talking about are burning children alive, raping women, dragging men behind cars, making grandmothers log onto their Facebook live accounts so their families can witness their torture and murder.

But the "war crimes" she is talking about is turning off power to a hostile terrorist state and bombing said terrorist state. Those are not even remotely close.

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I don't give a **** about power.

My only point was that you should avoid killing innocent people if possible. That statement shouldn't be THAT polarizing.

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In 20 years those "innocents" will be attacking civilians in Israel all over again, better to end them now, just like the God of the Bible told them too before. He is okay with it, so am I .

Your weak response will lead to more death in the decades to come. History has proven this

Wrec86 Ag said:

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Rebel Yell said:

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Wrec86 Ag said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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The population of Gaza is about 2 million. Nearly half are children.

Millions of innocent people cannot be made to pay for Hamas’ horror.

Collective punishment is a war crime. So are blockades to food and water.

We cannot allow dehumanization to descend into further atrocity. https://t.co/fRnbV29lVU

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) October 11, 2023

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Goodluck with that AOC!

War crimes are what you've seen from Hamas. FAFO

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I am nowhere near an AOC supporter, but I don't think Hamas committing war crimes means that you should do so in return.

That makes you no better than they are.

If 56% of the country voted for Hamas, that means that 44% didn't. Do you want to be held accountable with your life for everything that Joe Biden does? (assuming you are a conservative)

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You are correct . . . if the war crimes you are talking about are burning children alive, raping women, dragging men behind cars, making grandmothers log onto their Facebook live accounts so their families can witness their torture and murder.

But the "war crimes" she is talking about is turning off power to a hostile terrorist state and bombing said terrorist state. Those are not even remotely close.

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I don't give a **** about power.

My only point was that you should avoid killing innocent people if possible. That statement shouldn't be THAT polarizing.

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I get your argument. Even agree with it. But pragmatism and reality war with that.The problem is that you will never be able to weed out the innocent fully. Radical Islam is ingrained in the populace. These are not uniformed soldiers that draw a salary and have rigid structures of command and equipment. Across the world most are reliant on local communities for support and sustenance.

What is ironic is that the cycle of hatred and violence everyone speaks of ALSO literally stems from careful selection of targets and PID engagements only. And misguided perceptions also abound. I will always remember the hate I saw in a young boy's eyes as he stood over the shredded body of his father. The father walking his goats along a road and triggering an IED. That boy got there even before we did. It was not our weapon, it was not our fault. Didn't matter. That boy blamed us entirely and nothing would ever change that. I was 19 and didn't speak the language. Couldn't even try to assuage his anguish. But those eyes man....Figured it was a few years later he was trying his best to kill Americans. Assuming you have never been there so I will tell you it is one of the most surreal and disheartening feelings to lock eyes with a young boy and know, just KNOW, that he will be fighting you or those who come after you, to the death in the coming years.

The endless cycle of violence is ALREADY fully engaged and has been for generations. So extreme restraint does not work. Proven. So what else does? Genocide is also wholly unfeasible so what is the answer? I don't expect an answer back as it is rhetorical but something you should just ask yourself internally. Let go of all biases and just think critically and objectively. Now imagine having that problem but then being tasked to actually take action and solve it in the very near future. What do you do?

The conundrum/curse of ideological extremism and those who have to deal with it directly. Tough times....

The majority of Muslims believe it is either them or us and will fight to the death to take as many of us with them as possible.

There are many that don't want to wake up to that reality.

But when ur enemy has that attitude and is wholly unwilling to compromise the only solution is to make sure its them before its you.

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The majority of Muslims believe it is either them or us and will fight to the death to take as many of us with them as possible.

There are many that don't want to wake up to that reality.

But when ur enemy has that attitude and is wholly unwilling to compromise the only solution is to make sure its them before its you.

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This. It's not a religion of peace and I pray we won't all have to see it first hand

Wrec86 Ag said:

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Rebel Yell said:

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Wrec86 Ag said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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The population of Gaza is about 2 million. Nearly half are children.

Millions of innocent people cannot be made to pay for Hamas’ horror.

Collective punishment is a war crime. So are blockades to food and water.

We cannot allow dehumanization to descend into further atrocity. https://t.co/fRnbV29lVU

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) October 11, 2023

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Goodluck with that AOC!

War crimes are what you've seen from Hamas. FAFO

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I am nowhere near an AOC supporter, but I don't think Hamas committing war crimes means that you should do so in return.

That makes you no better than they are.

If 56% of the country voted for Hamas, that means that 44% didn't. Do you want to be held accountable with your life for everything that Joe Biden does? (assuming you are a conservative)

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You are correct . . . if the war crimes you are talking about are burning children alive, raping women, dragging men behind cars, making grandmothers log onto their Facebook live accounts so their families can witness their torture and murder.

But the "war crimes" she is talking about is turning off power to a hostile terrorist state and bombing said terrorist state. Those are not even remotely close.

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I don't give a **** about power.

My only point was that you should avoid killing innocent people if possible. That statement shouldn't be THAT polarizing.

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What do you think all the warnings are for? Why do you think the Israelis pioneered to concept of "roof knocking"?

Curtis Lemay was right. The longer you drag it out, the more innocent lives will be lost. The other hard truth is that if you know that the option is be killed by staying in the middle of a firefight behind a terrorist or leave when the Israelis warn you, you're a lot less likely to stay. You're more likely to take your chances leaving. If you do that, Hamas loses their power over the prisoners they've kept.

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Did you not see the video of them celebrating in the streets of Gaza as they brought hostages in. Men women and children all spitting and hitting the victims. Their kids beating Jewish kids. There are no innocents in that place. They brainwash them from the beginning. Soft times indeed over here.

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After 100% of Hamas is sent to hell, push every surviving Palestinian south into Egypt and delete Gaza from the map. Take every Palestinian in the west bank and deport them also. Women, children, babies, all. Deport. Them. All. No exceptions.

will25u said:

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BREAKING: Reuters reports that Egypt has rejected the setting up of safe corridors for refugees fleeing the Gaza Strip

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) October 12, 2023

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Good.

The women raise the children that become the terrorists.

They are just as culpable.

will25u said:

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BREAKING: Reuters reports that Egypt has rejected the setting up of safe corridors for refugees fleeing the Gaza Strip

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) October 12, 2023

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Glad it was Egypt and not the IDF. Maybe the squad can go ***** to Egypt now.

AgBQ-00 said:

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Dan Carlin said it perfectly in his Supernova in the East series. Something along the lines that those tactics did not come out of nowhere. But they came out of the insanity of the meat grinder that was that war.
I think Israel will be restrained as far as trying to limit casualties to Hamas. But I don't think they will be halting in their mission and will complete it.

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I just finished Ep III a few minutes ago. The parallels between the atrocities and actions committed by the Japanese in WWII and Hamas now are strikingly similar.

The imperialist Japanese back then were real m'fers. Nuking their ass after listening to what they did is understandable. Israel doing what they say they are going to do here is understandable.

Right now they are conducting an air campaign to put Hamas into organizational chaos. That also gives civilians time to clear out, and time to make a plan to carry out their mission.

will25u said:

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BREAKING: Reuters reports that Egypt has rejected the setting up of safe corridors for refugees fleeing the Gaza Strip

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) October 12, 2023

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Interesting topic here that I haven't seen broached on the forum yet…

There's not a single Arab country that wants to claim/standup for/directly support/ directly assist the "Palestinians". They are a useful idiot due to their proximity to Israel. Aside from that…
There may be words of support, but that's about where it ends.
All Arab countries know the "Palestinians" are a net negative on society therefor they'll never get too involved.

Here's a heart-warming story in the middle of all the bloodshed.

Five gunmen held one older couple hostage in their home for twenty hours. The woman was kind to them, feeding them and tending to their wounds. Very sweet and kind gestures.

Meanwhile signalling information about their captors to her police officer son outside the house, information the police used to storm the house and kill the gunmen.

will25u said:

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BREAKING: Reuters reports that Egypt has rejected the setting up of safe corridors for refugees fleeing the Gaza Strip

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) October 12, 2023

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Good. The turkey shoot is on.