"Washing machine charlie" still drones on. That noise has to be driving the Palestinians crazy
JobSecurity said:
I still don't get it. They planned that for two years... To what end? Yeah they killed over a thousand Israelis but their little invasion lasted less than 48 hours and now they will lose Gaza. What was the intended outcome of that operation??
I love it though, they're back! They had like a 4 hour break.Agthatbuilds said:
"Washing machine charlie" still drones on. That noise has to be driving the Palestinians crazy
This has been very concerning to me. If anyone understands the PR value of showing the hostages periodically, it is the Iranians.Quote:
I believe the hostages are already dead. You have heard nothing pertaining to proof of life.
aggiehawg said:🚨 JUST IN - John Kirby:
— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) October 11, 2023
- Civilians in Gaza are not responsible for what Hamas did
- We are holding talks with countries, including Qatar, which has open lines of communication with Hamas, to release the hostages
- What makes matters more difficult is that we do not know…
If true, let the crawfishing begin.
My thought is that they assumed they would be offered something in exchange for peace just like what's happened in the past. It's been an endless cycle of acting out for years, only this time the other side isn't coming to the negotiating table.JobSecurity said:
I still don't get it. They planned that for two years... To what end? Yeah they killed over a thousand Israelis but their little invasion lasted less than 48 hours and now they will lose Gaza. What was the intended outcome of that operation??
The Fife said:My thought is that they assumed they would be offered something in exchange for peace just like what's happened in the past. It's been an endless cycle of acting out for years, only this time the other side isn't coming to the negotiating table.JobSecurity said:
I still don't get it. They planned that for two years... To what end? Yeah they killed over a thousand Israelis but their little invasion lasted less than 48 hours and now they will lose Gaza. What was the intended outcome of that operation??
Which again raises the question of what was the rationale for taking hostages back into Gaza in the first place? Human shields? Cannon fodder?Agthatbuilds said:
I thinks there's probably hope for clearly non Israeli hostages. Ie- they found a bunch of alive Thai workers that were kidnapped.
Those that are Jewish or Israeli I think are probably dead.
This is something I was pondering earlier. These barbarians hide in schools, hospitals, mosque, etc...why then would they not hide behind the hostages. Or place the hostages in a location that will be destroyed? They could then turn around and say they were going to return them but Israel killed them.aggiehawg said:Which again raises the question of what was the rationale for taking hostages back into Gaza in the first place? Human shields? Cannon fodder?Agthatbuilds said:
I thinks there's probably hope for clearly non Israeli hostages. Ie- they found a bunch of alive Thai workers that were kidnapped.
Those that are Jewish or Israeli I think are probably dead.
Teslag said:The Fife said:My thought is that they assumed they would be offered something in exchange for peace just like what's happened in the past. It's been an endless cycle of acting out for years, only this time the other side isn't coming to the negotiating table.JobSecurity said:
I still don't get it. They planned that for two years... To what end? Yeah they killed over a thousand Israelis but their little invasion lasted less than 48 hours and now they will lose Gaza. What was the intended outcome of that operation??
I think had Hamas attacked only IDF positions an taken mostly soldiers and maybe a scattering of civilians it probably would have played out that way. When they went full ISIS and started mutilating corpses, mowing down concert goers and killing children then that went out the window.
My recollection of the embassy hostage crisis was that the Iranians kept moving the hostages to thwart recsue attempts in any specific location, no matter how well defended. it also provided the important proof of life video while they were being placed into transport to be taken elsewhere.Nitro Power said:This is something I was pondering earlier. These barbarians hide in schools, hospitals, mosque, etc...why then would they not hide behind the hostages. Or place the hostages in a location that will be destroyed? They could then turn around and say they were going to return them but Israel killed them.aggiehawg said:Which again raises the question of what was the rationale for taking hostages back into Gaza in the first place? Human shields? Cannon fodder?Agthatbuilds said:
I thinks there's probably hope for clearly non Israeli hostages. Ie- they found a bunch of alive Thai workers that were kidnapped.
Those that are Jewish or Israeli I think are probably dead.
They were trophies.aggiehawg said:Which again raises the question of what was the rationale for taking hostages back into Gaza in the first place? Human shields? Cannon fodder?Agthatbuilds said:
I thinks there's probably hope for clearly non Israeli hostages. Ie- they found a bunch of alive Thai workers that were kidnapped.
Those that are Jewish or Israeli I think are probably dead.
Exactly....but only bc they aren't very smart because it's actually a pretty understandable reaction to the attack they faced.ABATTBQ11 said:Teslag said:The Fife said:My thought is that they assumed they would be offered something in exchange for peace just like what's happened in the past. It's been an endless cycle of acting out for years, only this time the other side isn't coming to the negotiating table.JobSecurity said:
I still don't get it. They planned that for two years... To what end? Yeah they killed over a thousand Israelis but their little invasion lasted less than 48 hours and now they will lose Gaza. What was the intended outcome of that operation??
I think had Hamas attacked only IDF positions an taken mostly soldiers and maybe a scattering of civilians it probably would have played out that way. When they went full ISIS and started mutilating corpses, mowing down concert goers and killing children then that went out the window.
They probably thought this would break Israeli resolve and they could make trades. I don't think in their wildest dreams they saw Israel locking them down and deciding they were going wipe them from existence.
Why are we tiptoeing around that the majority of Palestinians support violence against Israelis? 59% of them to be exact. We haven't had an election that one sided in over 50 years.Moderator said:
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It is what it is man. This problem has been festering for 80 years. Leadership has failed and attempts to keep the peace has failed in a spectacular fashion. Now we forced to reckon with the fallout.Teslag said:
Yep. These hostages/dead bodies were no different than someone taking a picture on the dock with their catch after a fishing charter. They are animals in every sense of the word.
By way of Afganistan?aTmAg said:
Do morons really think that Lockheed Martin and Raytheon are supplying Hamas weapons?
Why would anyone need to supply them weapons? I'm sure they have all they need from what was left in Afghanistan.aTmAg said:
Do morons really think that Lockheed Martin and Raytheon are supplying Hamas weapons?
I don't care if we go back to The Battle of Jericho which I pointed out 60 pages back. The point its this has been festering and the lid finally popped off (at the worst possible time).Teslag said:
80? More like over a thousand.
John Kirby says he has no information on an airlift of U.S. citizens from Israel.
— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) October 11, 2023
Kirby continues to advise Americans who want to leave Israel to take a commercial flight, even as all U.S. airlines have suspended flights from Israel's main airport. pic.twitter.com/PPTAjRLKzz
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"It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity," Ocasio-Cortez said in a statement obtained by The Hill.
"The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment. It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas' horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation," she said.
aTmAg said:
Do morons really think that Lockheed Martin and Raytheon are supplying Hamas weapons?
Agthatbuilds said:
I thinks there's probably hope for clearly non Israeli hostages. Ie- they found a bunch of alive Thai workers that were kidnapped.
Those that are Jewish or Israeli I think are probably dead.