Israel/Hamas going at it

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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 12:58p, 10/9/23
ABATTBQ11 said:
outofstateaggie said:
DeangeloVickers said:



What the hell did they think the response was going to be? Israel wasn't going to just sit in their damn hands.


If they think that's bad, just wait til the bulldozers get there...
Were they horrified a couple of days ago? Or did they have the pom-poms out and start dancing?

The Democrat scum can take a lesson from what is happening here and what will happen in the future. This is how you pay Hamas and Iran.

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In reply to sharpdressedman • 12:58p, 10/9/23
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SHELTON@TAYLOR said:
They are cutting off food, water, electricity, money, HERE COMES THE PAIN. I hope they dont stop until every building is toppled and nothing breathes
Yep. Israeli officials repeatedly using words like obliterate, destroy, eliminate, etc. indicate a rage that will not be satisfied until Hamas is reduced to a grease spot on the Gaza strip. Moreover, I am confident that Iran and Hezbollah will get smacked if they choose to participate.
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In reply to aTmAg • 12:59p, 10/9/23
Overall agree, though they may have thought they were justified, our early US folks were sort of brutal as well in their treatment of Indians.
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In reply to fka ftc • 1:01p, 10/9/23
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fka ftc said:
txags92 said:
fka ftc said:
Andrew Dufresne said:
So you're saying these children are inherently evil.


Some folks make a declaration of which sorts of people, countries and religion are acceptable and which are not. Those deemed unacceptable are classified as evildoers whose corpses must be stacked.

Israel's arrogance since its formation / reformation has culpability in the continued violence. The land on which Israel sits has been disputed and changed hands many times over the millennia. Palestinians have a very legitimate claim to the territory and were essentially put on a reservation following WWI and then absolutely following WWII.

I do not condone nor defend their methods and terroristic attacks. But it's not correct for people to just label them as evildoers with no basis for their violence.

Not going to derail, but you can absolutely attribute the ongoing conflict in Israel on what the Brits did following WWI. Happy to defend that statement on another thread but it is not false information.
They were granted certain lands after WWII and Israel was granted certain lands, so both were "put on reservations" after WWII. They almost immediately began attacking Israel to try to take away their land. The Israelis have won the repeated battles and wars that have brought us to today. The "Palestinians" have been offered all manner of solutions to the dispute, including their own country and the talks have stumbled over the right of Israel to exist. As of this time, there is no credible agency with which Israel can negotiate a lasting and durable peace. Nobody in the Gaza strip is willing to coexist with Israel or even to accept their right to exist, so there is nothing for Israel to negotiate with. This war is simply a continuation of an existential struggle for the Israelis, and as with all the others, it was started by the Palestinians and their various puppet masters.


Your rationale is like saying the Native Americans should have been happy with their new desert locales and do not serve any of the incredible reparations / govt assistance they receive to this day.

After WWII, Israel was given the prime real estate and it continues to piss off the Palestinians and Muslims overall.
Your effort to compare political movements and actions from the mid-1800s to modern events is ridiculous. If the Cherokee Nation decided today that the US had no right to exist and that they were going to take up arms against the US, of course they would be in the wrong. Did the US give them a bad deal in the 1800s? Sure. I won't argue that. And they have every right to push that grievance and ask to be compensated if they believe they deserve it.

But the first step in any process of negotiating peace is that both sides have to accept the right of the other side to continue to exist and live in peace. The Palestinians currently will not accept that Israel has a right to exist and live in peace. So what is there for Israel to negotiate with if the other side's only acceptable outcome is the death of every jew?
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In reply to will25u • 1:02p, 10/9/23
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I hate to star posts with that info on it. But you guys who go through that and post it for us deserve the thanks.

The young Israeli couple who died defending their twin sons was a rough one in a series of difficult news items. But people throughout this country need to see what Hamas and the Palestinian people are all about.

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1:02p, 10/9/23
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It sucks but you have to write those hostages off and proceed with doing with what needs to be done.
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1:03p, 10/9/23
If true about the US joining in if Hezbollah joins in, this could escalate VERY quickly.

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In reply to Robert L. Peters • 1:03p, 10/9/23
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Robert L. Peters said:
No. This is literally the history.


Not literally. It would literally be the same if the US had placed the Comanche reservation right next to the Cherokee, the Comanche had an issue with where the US placed the Cherokee, they then blamed the Cherokee for living there, they then attacked the Cherokee constantly while the Cherokee provide basic utilities and services to the citizens living on the Comanche reservation, they make friends with Oklahomans and use the military equipment the Oklahomans provided them to try and wipe out the Cherokee completely on two separate occasions, and then after nearly 80 years, the Cherokee became tired of the Comanche slaughtering Cherokee and US citizens, and finally decided they are tired of literally keeping people they hate alive while they continued trying to kill them.
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In reply to DeangeloVickers • 1:03p, 10/9/23
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Partied to hard at yesterday's Bar BQ?

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In reply to will25u • 1:06p, 10/9/23
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will25u said:
Israel is about to give them their answer.
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1:06p, 10/9/23
700 Killed
2300 injured.

Mostly all civilians.

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In reply to will25u • 1:07p, 10/9/23
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will25u said:
haha

Yea, Hamas is in the middle of ****ing around and finding out, there will be no truce, there was a truce and then hamas decided to kill several 1000 innocent civilians.


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In reply to txags92 • 1:07p, 10/9/23
It's only a ridiculous comparison because you want to nuance it with what you think the Indians would want and what you think most Palestinians want and what you ignore that some Jews want.

If they had an opinion, I would think most indigenous tribes would have been fine with "eradicating" the presence of white colonists.

They are many Jews who support the eradication of all Muslims.

Taking the positions of Hamas and Hezbollah and applying that to all Palestinians is what is ridiculous.
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1:07p, 10/9/23
IDF lighting up Gaza currently on the Youtube feeds.
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In reply to fka ftc • 1:10p, 10/9/23
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Taking the positions of Hamas and Hezbollah and applying that to all Palestinians is what is ridiculous.


No, no it really isn't. They are all one in the same.
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In reply to Teslag • 1:11p, 10/9/23
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Teslag said:
It sucks but you have to write those hostages off and proceed with doing with what needs to be done.
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In reply to will25u • 1:12p, 10/9/23
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The US is a corrupt nation infiltrated by enemy countries.

This President clearly was/is/continues to be:
  • Incompetent
  • Corrupt
  • Unethical
  • Dishonorable
  • Ignorant
  • dementia riddled
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In reply to fka ftc • 1:16p, 10/9/23
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It's only a ridiculous comparison because you want to nuance it with what you think the Indians would want and what you think most Palestinians want and what you ignore that some Jews want.

If they had an opinion, I would think most indigenous tribes would have been fine with "eradicating" the presence of white colonists.

They are many Jews who support the eradication of all Muslims.

Taking the positions of Hamas and Hezbollah and applying that to all Palestinians is what is ridiculous.
Got the receipts for that? If you are talking about Israel, a large portion of the in-good-standing and voting population are Muslim. There are a-hole Jews just like there are a-hole any other ethnic group, but Israeli Jews are unique in that their direct neighbors would rather blow up their kids to kill them than to admit that Israel has a right to exist.

The Palestinian state has been offered 100% of what they wanted in the past with the 1 caveat that they had to drop the part of their charter which calls for the absolute destruction of Israel and they refused to accept it.
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1:20p, 10/9/23
This is about to get real chippy....Unfortunate this admin and our military has been more focused on being woke than ready....
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In reply to fka ftc • 1:22p, 10/9/23
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fka ftc said:
Overall agree, though they may have thought they were justified, our early US folks were sort of brutal as well in their treatment of Indians.
Indians were brutal to the first settlers at Jamestown. They sieged it in an effort to starve them all to death (and nearly succeeded), then killed John Ratcliffe by tying him to a stake, and flaying him alive and throwing his flesh into a fire while he watched. They were brutal from day one.

The indians deserved what they got. Just like the Palestinians deserve what they are about to get.
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1:23p, 10/9/23
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There's a real chance certain events have a domino effect we can't predict and will turn into a huge mess, the likes of which hasn't been seen in who knows how long.
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In reply to will25u • 1:28p, 10/9/23
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will25u said:
Yeah. If you watched the entire Shapiro video (I couldn't get through all of it because of how absolutely disgusting and enraging it was), there will be no peace talks now.

They attacked when information about the attacks would be limited due to the holiday. They attacked the most vulnerable. They killed whomever at will. Hamas is about to find out how rabid animals are dealt with and I hope that it is Robin Williams' 72 Virginians that meet all of those pieces of filth in the afterlife.
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1:29p, 10/9/23
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Taking the positions of Hamas and Hezbollah and applying that to all Palestinians is what is ridiculous.
You do understand that the Palestinians ELECTED Hamas to run Gaza since they won a majority back in '06, right? They aren't just some crazy terrorist outfit, they are the dominant political party in the territory. Obviously a majority of Palestinians don't have a problem with them.
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In reply to Line Ate Member • 1:29p, 10/9/23
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Sorry to ask, but can you post a link to the video? I respect his commentary and want to hear it.
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1:31p, 10/9/23
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Boy…some posters took their masks off in this thread.
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In reply to will25u • 1:32p, 10/9/23
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will25u said:
If true about the US joining in if Hezbollah joins in, this could escalate VERY quickly.



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and will become a heap of ruins.
2 The cities of Aroer are deserted;
they will be for flocks,
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In reply to 93MarineHorn • 1:33p, 10/9/23
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Taking the positions of Hamas and Hezbollah and applying that to all Palestinians is what is ridiculous.
You do understand that the Palestinians ELECTED Hamas to run Gaza since they won a majority back in '06, right? They aren't just some crazy terrorist outfit, they are the dominant political party in the territory. Obviously a majority of Palestinians don't have a problem with them.


I'm sure those elections were fair and honest.
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Phatbob said:
fka ftc said:
It's only a ridiculous comparison because you want to nuance it with what you think the Indians would want and what you think most Palestinians want and what you ignore that some Jews want.

If they had an opinion, I would think most indigenous tribes would have been fine with "eradicating" the presence of white colonists.

They are many Jews who support the eradication of all Muslims.

Taking the positions of Hamas and Hezbollah and applying that to all Palestinians is what is ridiculous.
Got the receipts for that? If you are talking about Israel, a large portion of the in-good-standing and voting population are Muslim. There are a-hole Jews just like there are a-hole any other ethnic group, but Israeli Jews are unique in that their direct neighbors would rather blow up their kids to kill them than to admit that Israel has a right to exist.

The Palestinian state has been offered 100% of what they wanted in the past with the 1 caveat that they had to drop the part of their charter which calls for the absolute destruction of Israel and they refused to accept it.
While we wait.

The Hamas charter quotes,
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Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it
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"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
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The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters.

It is necessary that scientists, educators and teachers, information and media people, as well as the educated masses, especially the youth and sheikhs of the Islamic movements, should take part in the operation of awakening (the masses). It is important that basic changes be made in the school curriculum, to cleanse it of the traces of ideological invasion that affected it as a result of the orientalists and missionaries who infiltrated the region following the defeat of the Crusaders at the hands of Salah el-Din (Saladin).
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For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
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In reply to Bag • 1:34p, 10/9/23
Bag said:
will25u said:
haha

Yea, Hamas is in the middle of ****ing around and finding out, there will be no truce, there was a truce and then hamas decided to kill several 1000 innocent civilians.


Im so sick of them trying to get the sympathetic card pulled. This is nothing more than for every social media idiot to complain about Israel going genocidal on them. ****ing garbage
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In reply to AgLiving06 • 1:35p, 10/9/23
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AgLiving06 said:


This is a very tough watch, but Shapiro uses Hamas's own videos to show just what kind of people we are dealing with.
Here is the post.
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1:36p, 10/9/23
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Does Israel have MOABS?
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