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A billionaire and a near billionaire asking the common folk for money to help the locals that they are about to take land from. Oh the irony.

Oh, for those idiots that dont believe that this is a land grab, look up how and how much Oprah paid for her land on Maui. Then look up the non-profit the Maui fund she is promoting with the Rock actually goes. This is all for show. All of it.

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Hold on…what's going on here?

Sorry I haven't been around and haven't been able to pay much attention to this story.

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Hoyt Ag said:

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A billionaire and a near billionaire asking the common folk for money to help the locals that they are about to take land from. Oh the irony.

Oh, for those idiots that dont believe that this is a land grab, look up how and how much Oprah paid for her land on Maui. Then look up the non-profit the Maui fund she is promoting with the Rock actually goes. This is all for show. All of it.

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Hold on…what's going on here?

Sorry I haven't been around and haven't been able to pay much attention to this story.

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Elites are banning together to destroy communities in desirable areas that they want for themselves. They are using someone's (US Military?) energy beam weapon to burn homes and cars but causing limited damage to trees. With the communities burned up they can buy the land for cheap or have the government declare it uninhabitable except for the elites who are going to secretly occupy it. The government and MSM are in on the heist. Oprah is taking the heist one step farther by soliciting donations which she will then use to buy the freshly cleared tropical paradise from the displaced peons that own it.

You got it all correct except they are banding together.

Before the fire.

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Hawaii could see construction of 50,000 new homes over the next three to five years for residents of all income levels if an executive order issued Monday by Gov. Josh Green achieves its intended purpose.

The order suspends a half dozen state and county laws, primarily focusing on land use, historic preservation and environmental review.

Titled "Emergency Proclamation Relating to Housing," the measure invokes a state law giving the governor broad power to suspend laws that impede a response to emergencies such as natural disasters or the coronavirus pandemic.

In this case, the emergency is a shortage of housing and the response is to lower regulatory barriers to building homes.

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The timing with that is either very unfortunate from an optics perspective for something else was at play, perhaps? Lahaina was mostlyif not all contained within a historical district. And suspending environmental reviews in Hawaii?

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MARK MY WORDS: We WILL get to the bottom of all this. I'm putting together a team of local residents & journalists to make it happen.

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I would so love for this to happen.

A free press actually doing their jobs instead of being the propaganda arm of the dems and libs would be so refreshing - it almost seems like a dream these days.

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Hoyt Ag said:

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A billionaire and a near billionaire asking the common folk for money to help the locals that they are about to take land from. Oh the irony.

Oh, for those idiots that dont believe that this is a land grab, look up how and how much Oprah paid for her land on Maui. Then look up the non-profit the Maui fund she is promoting with the Rock actually goes. This is all for show. All of it.

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Hold on…what's going on here?

Sorry I haven't been around and haven't been able to pay much attention to this story.

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Elites are banning together to destroy communities in desirable areas that they want for themselves. They are using someone's (US Military?) energy beam weapon to burn homes and cars but causing limited damage to trees. With the communities burned up they can buy the land for cheap or have the government declare it uninhabitable except for the elites who are going to secretly occupy it. The government and MSM are in on the heist. Oprah is taking the heist one step farther by soliciting donations which she will then use to buy the freshly cleared tropical paradise from the displaced peons that own it.

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That's a pretty succinct summary, but you left out the ties to WTC 7, Epstein Island, and lizard people.

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Come on, man. You just took the exit to crazy conspiracy-ville.

Thank you for sharing. That is a fascinating video.

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Hoyt Ag said:

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A billionaire and a near billionaire asking the common folk for money to help the locals that they are about to take land from. Oh the irony.

Oh, for those idiots that dont believe that this is a land grab, look up how and how much Oprah paid for her land on Maui. Then look up the non-profit the Maui fund she is promoting with the Rock actually goes. This is all for show. All of it.

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Hold on…what's going on here?

Sorry I haven't been around and haven't been able to pay much attention to this story.

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Elites are banning together to destroy communities in desirable areas that they want for themselves. They are using someone's (US Military?) energy beam weapon to burn homes and cars but causing limited damage to trees. With the communities burned up they can buy the land for cheap or have the government declare it uninhabitable except for the elites who are going to secretly occupy it. The government and MSM are in on the heist. Oprah is taking the heist one step farther by soliciting donations which she will then use to buy the freshly cleared tropical paradise from the displaced peons that own it.

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That's a pretty succinct summary, but you left out the ties to WTC 7, Epstein Island, and lizard people.

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He's not an electrical engineering graduate so doesn't understand the last two, only how structures fall down in controlled blasts (WT7)....

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Pine 90 percent, some aspen.

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Hhmm. Pines? They have been known to explode from the pine tar inside. Basically burn from the inside out. And pine needles are not hard to ignite, even green ones.

Without revealing too much can you tell which region in Wyoming your place is located? Been watching a 40 year botanist who started investigating wildfires about 15 years ago and has studied most major fires in California, Washington and Oregon. He has very specific knowledge about which species are fire conducive and which are not. See if I can find it. (Not endorsing his opinions just that he has done a lot of legwork on the subject.)

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That's really interesting, west of wheatland, into the mountains. There might have been some explode, but not many.

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This is photo is in the Wheatland area. Great place to visit if you like small towns and very few people.

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Still a ton of missing kids.........where are they?

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No evidence kids are "missing". As of last week, 1,757 school aged children had not yet registered for school. This is probably because:

a.) Some schools in Lahaina burned down
b.) Families lost their homes and everything in it and are more focused in n figuring out their next steps
c.) There is no mandate for kids to enroll cause fires
d.) This number is likely much smaller (and will continue to shrink) as families are accounted for (DL programs, moving, private schools, etc).
e.) Most of the remaining schools in Lahaina aren't opening until Mid-October so families are probably waiting until that date gets closer to make a decision on what to do

https://mauinow.com/2023/08/31/more-than-1700-students-from-lahaina-public-schools-have-not-enrolled-since-the-wildfire/

Another article, from reporters on the ground in Maui (found it using this pretty cool website called Google), that spoke with kids (those that weren't secretly flown away by blacked out military helicopters to Epstein island) and parents (not the crisis actors that were secretly flown in right before the fire started from the DEW's firing).

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/families-face-waiting-game-lahaina-back-school-efforts/story?id=102831758

ABC13 news just did a segment in the fire…stating as of today it's 100% contained. It's been burning for a month now?! WTF is going on???

Told you their fire department stinks on ice.

Guess they finally released the water….

Yep, I think I can see our place in the distance, not sure though. That is a beautiful photograph.

Wheatland is a cool laid back town. Not any tourist stuff around there, but there is plenty to do. I wouldn't say it is for kids. I wouldn't go up there when it is windy, as the wind can drive you crazy sometimes.

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Thank you for sharing. That is a fascinating video.

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Color me very skeptical of some DEW weapon being used there.

But somethings are just too weird to explain. Actually now that I have done some more research, maybe, emphasize MAYBE (because some posters here do not understand qualifiers at all ever) could have been an ill-timed and planned insurance scam? Have seen those a few in my career.

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Thank you for sharing. That is a fascinating video.

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Color me very skeptical of some DEW weapon being used there.

But somethings are just too weird to explain. Actually now that I have done some more research, maybe, emphasize MAYBE (because some posters here do not understand qualifiers at all ever) could have been an ill-timed and planned insurance scam? Have seen those a few in my career.

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Yes, I think the video got farfetched once it went into the DEW weapon. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof, and I would never make that statement in public based on the video.

Damage can be mysterious sometimes, and fires is not always cut and dry either. There are so many variables.

I think possibly the torching of BLM buildings was possibly insurance scams in some cases. Target a building on a list, burn the building, collect the insurance. I could see a lot of failing or fledgling businesses where that might be reasonable for them.

But that would be true demonic sh*t for that to be intentional in Maui. It is a stretch, even for an insurance scam. But there are people out there that will kill their kids for insurance so who knows.

The Hawaiian people have been screwed over ever since the Queen had a gun to her head to transfer the Hawaiian government to the U.S.. Just about as bad as what happened to the American Indians. I guess we were on a roll in the 1800's.

Whatever happened to the ancestral hawaiian land that was to be given back. Well, that would be the rich elite and powerful in control of it, and they are not going to give it up.

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-government-promised-to-return-ancestral-hawaiian-land-then-never-finished-the-job

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I think possibly the torching of BLM buildings was possibly insurance scams in some cases. Target a building on a list, burn the building, collect the insurance. I could see a lot of failing or fledgling businesses where that might be reasonable for them.

But that would be true demonic sh*t for that to be intentional in Maui. It is a stretch, even for an insurance scam. But there are people out there that will kill their kids for insurance so who knows.

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Nor going for that at all. i did not say killing people on purpose. Insurance scams go wrong all of the time. Arson is tricky.

I hate to see this happen, but hope that Hawaiins start to think for themselves and stop voting for liberal progressives who did this to them.

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I hate to see this happen, but hope that Hawaiins start to think for themselves and stop voting for liberal progressives who did this to them.

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Unlikely. Native Hawaiinas dot know how to spell.

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Pine 90 percent, some aspen.

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Hhmm. Pines? They have been known to explode from the pine tar inside. Basically burn from the inside out. And pine needles are not hard to ignite, even green ones.

Without revealing too much can you tell which region in Wyoming your place is located? Been watching a 40 year botanist who started investigating wildfires about 15 years ago and has studied most major fires in California, Washington and Oregon. He has very specific knowledge about which species are fire conducive and which are not. See if I can find it. (Not endorsing his opinions just that he has done a lot of legwork on the subject.)

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Hawg - Grew up clearing land in East Texas. We burned a lot of pine trees and not once have any of them exploded. They burn like any other tree.

Old growth pine forests burn as part of their life cycle due to the pine needles and that they block the sunlight to the forest floor so the only thing there are small shrubs grasses and pine needles that light and burn quickly

Yes it is, arson is tricky. But I am not a conspiracy guy on this one.

I need to watch that movie again! Totally forgot it.

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Pine 90 percent, some aspen.

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Hhmm. Pines? They have been known to explode from the pine tar inside. Basically burn from the inside out. And pine needles are not hard to ignite, even green ones.

Without revealing too much can you tell which region in Wyoming your place is located? Been watching a 40 year botanist who started investigating wildfires about 15 years ago and has studied most major fires in California, Washington and Oregon. He has very specific knowledge about which species are fire conducive and which are not. See if I can find it. (Not endorsing his opinions just that he has done a lot of legwork on the subject.)

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Hawg - Grew up clearing land in East Texas. We burned a lot of pine trees and not once have any of them exploded. They burn like any other tree.

Old growth pine forests burn as part of their life cycle due to the pine needles and that they block the sunlight to the forest floor so the only thing there are small shrubs grasses and pine needles that light and burn quickly

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So, you agree witth me?

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Pine 90 percent, some aspen.

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Hhmm. Pines? They have been known to explode from the pine tar inside. Basically burn from the inside out. And pine needles are not hard to ignite, even green ones.

Without revealing too much can you tell which region in Wyoming your place is located? Been watching a 40 year botanist who started investigating wildfires about 15 years ago and has studied most major fires in California, Washington and Oregon. He has very specific knowledge about which species are fire conducive and which are not. See if I can find it. (Not endorsing his opinions just that he has done a lot of legwork on the subject.)

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It would be interest how EV's may have contributed to the fire. The batteries; when they burn, are like welding torches or afterburners on a jet. That does explain why a car is so decimated by heat…,, and appears to be noting more than regular grass in the area. That would explain melted aluminum. And other odd high heat signatures.

Is it true the government is withholding the dead count?

I am not(at this moment buying into a conspiracy. It appears to me that there was a perfect storm of fuel, EV's and extreme neglect and bad decision making.

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Unless you're a corrupt country led by a dancing monkey that funnels money to the Biden crime syndicate, then you get help before you even ask, lots of it, and get more as a condition for help to even be considered to be giiven actual American citizens.

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I hate to see this happen, but hope that Hawaiins start to think for themselves and stop voting for liberal progressives who did this to them.

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Unlikely. Native Hawaiinas dot know how to spell.

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Did you intentionally misspell two words in this post?

Serious question. Have you ever been to Hawaii? If so, when was the last time?

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Yes. Do you think they put ******ant on the tree? Weird stuff happens in fires.

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The Hubs is a retired nearly 30 year firefighter. Trees are made of wood, which burns, last I checked our fireplaces.

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Ask him how many house fires he saw where the trees were fine. Goodness gracious

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Where even the cinderblocks were ash? Like waht happened here? Only one. When he inadvertently started one at the ranch on New Year's Eve back in 2001. And there were no trees next to that house. Not for a hundred feet.

Just continue to ignore legitimate questions and pretending that wildfires are the same as tornadoes that hit then lift, come back down and get to the next house. Fires are usually linear.

That is why there is such a thing as backburns. Look it up.

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Un, back fires are a thing. It's where the phrase "fight fire with fire" comes from.

I really do appreciate your legal analyses on here, but you are talking for things now that you do not understand, and it's coming across as 9-11 tinfoil hat conspiracy crap. There is plenty to be upset about how this was handled and reported without going into crazy territory.

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Science begins with a skeptic. It ends with careful, ethical analysis, and a reasonable or logical conclusion based on evidence.

Nothing wrong with being skeptical, and it should be encouraged. Aside from the Bible I don't really believe much of what I see or hear unless I can reproduce the results, or see how the data were collected-analyzed-intepreted.

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lol

if you dont understand something it must be a evil conspiracy

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If you don't socially distance you'll kill peepaw?

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Told you their fire department stinks on ice.

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Why would there be ice outside, in Hawaii?

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Told you their fire department stinks on ice.

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Why would there be ice outside, in Hawaii?

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Don't act like that. Exepect better from you.

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Thank you for sharing. That is a fascinating video.

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Color me very skeptical of some DEW weapon being used there.

But somethings are just too weird to explain. Actually now that I have done some more research, maybe, emphasize MAYBE (because some posters here do not understand qualifiers at all ever) could have been an ill-timed and planned insurance scam? Have seen those a few in my career.

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Yes, I think the video got farfetched once it went into the DEW weapon. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof, and I would never make that statement in public based on the video.

Damage can be mysterious sometimes, and fires is not always cut and dry either. There are so many variables.

I think possibly the torching of BLM buildings was possibly insurance scams in some cases. Target a building on a list, burn the building, collect the insurance. I could see a lot of failing or fledgling businesses where that might be reasonable for them.

But that would be true demonic sh*t for that to be intentional in Maui. It is a stretch, even for an insurance scam. But there are people out there that will kill their kids for insurance so who knows.

The Hawaiian people have been screwed over ever since the Queen had a gun to her head to transfer the Hawaiian government to the U.S.. Just about as bad as what happened to the American Indians. I guess we were on a roll in the 1800's.

Whatever happened to the ancestral hawaiian land that was to be given back. Well, that would be the rich elite and powerful in control of it, and they are not going to give it up.

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-government-promised-to-return-ancestral-hawaiian-land-then-never-finished-the-job

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Damage from riots are typically excluded on your insurance policy.

Correct! When I renew my commercial policy every year I have to accept or deny riders for everything from acts of terrorism to child molesters. You can insure against riots (basically terrorism). I really doubt many business owners in Lahaina were concerned about that.