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This category includes materials such as tires, insulation around electric wire and cables, trash, and fabric.

Specifically, insulation around the electrical wiring or other cables was the most common item to initially ignite, not only within this category but in all highway vehicle fires (29 percent). While it is often assumed that vehicle fires commonly originate with the tires of the vehicle, tires were the item first ignited in only 6 percent of all highway vehicle fires

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Do EVs not use electrical wiring? Maybe they don't and its simply an ICE problem.

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Exactly, it seems some people want to conflate the causes of ICE fires as if those components don't exist with EVs.

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This category includes materials such as tires, insulation around electric wire and cables, trash, and fabric.

Specifically, insulation around the electrical wiring or other cables was the most common item to initially ignite, not only within this category but in all highway vehicle fires (29 percent). While it is often assumed that vehicle fires commonly originate with the tires of the vehicle, tires were the item first ignited in only 6 percent of all highway vehicle fires

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Do EVs not use electrical wiring? Maybe they don't and its simply an ICE problem.

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Exactly, it seems some people want to conflate the causes of ICE fires as it those components don't exist with EVs.

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Its their usual stick to claim "you have no data" or "your data is Russian propaganda" if data and facts contradict their chosen narrative.

Also interesting to note that they seem to be so well versed on fire causes and safety but refuse to acknowledge the unique aspect of battery fires and the damage they result in not in just the destruction of the vehicle but also the destruction of nearby structures.

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https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/sugar-land-car-house-fire/285-d55134fd-9cab-4ac9-b7c2-9c0d8cf89c9a

ICE vehicles are so dangerous that they can burn your house down even if parked OUTSIDE the garage.

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Sugar Land police said the fire started when a 2023 Range Rover SUV parked outside the home caught fire and spread to the garage. This happened as the family had just fallen asleep upstairs.

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Is there anything you touch that doesn't go to complete **** in record time?

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fka ftc said:

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This category includes materials such as tires, insulation around electric wire and cables, trash, and fabric.

Specifically, insulation around the electrical wiring or other cables was the most common item to initially ignite, not only within this category but in all highway vehicle fires (29 percent). While it is often assumed that vehicle fires commonly originate with the tires of the vehicle, tires were the item first ignited in only 6 percent of all highway vehicle fires

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Do EVs not use electrical wiring? Maybe they don't and its simply an ICE problem.

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Exactly, it seems some people want to conflate the causes of ICE fires as it those components don't exist with EVs.

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You seem to be going to hell and back to justify putting your family at risk with ice vehicles, despite their propensity for fires. But I think you should that choice.

As per your stroller MO, you're ignoring all the data RichardAg posted.

Edit: I meant "troller" but "stroller" works...

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This category includes materials such as tires, insulation around electric wire and cables, trash, and fabric.

Specifically, insulation around the electrical wiring or other cables was the most common item to initially ignite, not only within this category but in all highway vehicle fires (29 percent). While it is often assumed that vehicle fires commonly originate with the tires of the vehicle, tires were the item first ignited in only 6 percent of all highway vehicle fires

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Do EVs not use electrical wiring? Maybe they don't and its simply an ICE problem.

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Exactly, it seems some people want to conflate the causes of ICE fires as it those components don't exist with EVs.

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You seem to be going to hell and back to justify putting your family at risk with ice vehicles, despite their propensity for fires. But I think you should that choice.

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Not near as risky as doing your own electrical service work without proper training and permitting. But to each its own.

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As per your stroller MO, you're ignoring all the data RichardAg posted.

Edit: I meant "stroller" but "stroller" works...

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He didn't post a single link to any data

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This category includes materials such as tires, insulation around electric wire and cables, trash, and fabric.

Specifically, insulation around the electrical wiring or other cables was the most common item to initially ignite, not only within this category but in all highway vehicle fires (29 percent). While it is often assumed that vehicle fires commonly originate with the tires of the vehicle, tires were the item first ignited in only 6 percent of all highway vehicle fires

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Do EVs not use electrical wiring? Maybe they don't and its simply an ICE problem.

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Exactly, it seems some people want to conflate the causes of ICE fires as it those components don't exist with EVs.

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You seem to be going to hell and back to justify putting your family at risk with ice vehicles, despite their propensity for fires. But I think you should that choice.

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Not near as risky as doing your own electrical service work without proper training and permitting. But to each its own.

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Lol at "permits"

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fka ftc said:

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Not near as risky as doing your own electrical service work without proper training and permitting. But to each its own.

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Lol at "permits"

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Yea, LOL. Stupid regulations that keep people from killing themselves and others. End all permits.

How I imagine your unpermitted wiring looks...

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As per your stroller MO, you're ignoring all the data RichardAg posted.

Edit: I meant "troller" but "stroller" works...

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He didn't post a single link to any data

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Specious response, at best. You really don't seem to be interested in a substantive discussion, just monomanical adherence to (attempting) to argue.

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As per your stroller MO, you're ignoring all the data RichardAg posted.

Edit: I meant "troller" but "stroller" works...

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He didn't post a single link to any data

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Specious response, at best. You really don't seem to be interested in a substantive discussion, just monomanical adherence to (attempting) to argue.

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Did the same thing to the Ukraine from another perspective thread and got it killed. Its SOP for them.

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Not near as risky as doing your own electrical service work without proper training and permitting. But to each its own.

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Lol at "permits"

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Yea, LOL. Stupid regulations that keep people from killing themselves and others. End all permits.

How I imagine your unpermitted wiring looks...

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I live in the county. Lol at permits.

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As per your stroller MO, you're ignoring all the data RichardAg posted.

Edit: I meant "troller" but "stroller" works...

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He didn't post a single link to any data

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Specious response, at best. You really don't seem to be interested in a substantive discussion, just monomanical adherence to (attempting) to argue.

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Im interested in hard data, like the NTSB data I posted. So far your side has posted a couple of random articles and a gif of an exploding car that turned out to be ice and not even EV.

Nope. Read harder.

My bad. I forgot someone else also posted hard data showing only 5% of ice fires were due to accidents on roads. Then there was a mass of hand waving. It's odd that the only people bothering to post numbers are those who see the benefits of EV's

It's not. We're reading different posts. Your obsequious behavior in service of the EV is fatiguing. It's pretty clear you are not interested in real discussion and believe yourself to be oh so clever.

Not the brief I was looking for. But still has same information about battery design, runaway thermal
Conditions and dunking as an approach to cool/suppress battery fires.

https://www.firehouse.com/operations-training/article/21255066/university-of-extrication-electric-vehicle-fire-suppression

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As per your stroller MO, you're ignoring all the data RichardAg posted.

Edit: I meant "stroller" but "stroller" works...

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He didn't post a single link to any data

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I thought I did.
Ford recalls more than 140K SUVs over fire risk related to sensors

• Ford said it is aware of 19 potentially related reports of fires under the hood, including some from when the vehicle was parked and turned off. The company said owners do not need to cease driving these recalled vehicles and has not received reports of any accidents or physical injuries related to the issue.

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Everything under the hood of an ice bomb is on the table. Another point for EV's is the lack of extra parts and points of failure, as we routinely see in these catastrophic ice vehicle fires.

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Dude are you a bot? You defend EVs so hard. You do realize you're not saving the planet, right? The electricity you use comes from burning oil, coal and LNG.

If the answer is "I like my EV" then great. Enough said. But it's not the salvation of mankind.

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If an EV owner plugged in their car to charge right now in ERCOT, 67% of it would be from fossil fuels. It would be a much higher percentage of fossil fuels in the majority of other parts of the country.

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At night, in Texas with no frigging wind your "sustainable" percentage goes to zero. So, electricity STILL comes from burning fuel.

You guys are hilarious. Your EV is not saving the planet.

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Which EV owners here care about saving the planet?

As long as there are EVs to stack bodies of Russian soldiers, then EVs are the answers to all our problems. They are also useful for distributing vaccines... amiright?!

But really, EVs are prone to fire - see ships crossing the ocean, you do not need more interocular evidence than that. EVs a decidedly more destructful to the environment to make. EVs can burn your house down particularly when people perform their own unpermitted electrical work.

Another fun anecdote... business partner of mine has a condo in SoCal. They would like to replace the Range Rover they leave there with a Tesla or similar. But even though Cali mandates the condo HAS to let them put in a Level 2(?) charger in there dedicated garage, the cost to upgrade the electrical for the property is cost prohibitive.

Putting a supercharger in your garage runs about the same risk and cost impact as putting your own gas pump and storage tank in your garage.

EVs are gimmicky golfcarts for people who are not cool but want to try and look cool. That is all.

Looks like ftc is on to his next sock

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Looks like ftc is on to his next sock

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If you have anything to contribute to the discussion, best to stick to the topic and not derail. I understand from others that may be a challenge for some.

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Putting a supercharger in your garage runs about the same risk and cost impact as putting your own gas pump and storage tank in your garage.

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You mean address comments like this gem? A supercharger in the garage? lol

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Putting a supercharger in your garage runs about the same risk and cost impact as putting your own gas pump and storage tank in your garage.

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You mean address comments like this gem? A supercharger in the garage? lol

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Level 2 chargers are able to be installed in garages, no? Or is only 110v chargers allowed for home use?

Superchargers aren't level 2 chargers. Not even close.

Superchargers are three phase.

The output is also DC and bypasses the internal vehicle charging system and directly chargers the battery.

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Superchargers aren't level 2 chargers. Not even close.

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Oh, well by all means, enlighten the board on the proper terminology.

Level 2 charging in your garage is no different than installing a gas pump and storage in your garage.

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Level 2 charging in your garage is no different than installing a gas pump and storage in your garage.

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A level 2 charger is just a 40 to 60 amp 240v circuit. It's no different than putting a small cracker box welder in your garage. Or a clothes dryer.

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Level 2 charging in your garage is no different than installing a gas pump and storage in your garage.

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A level 2 charger is just a 40 to 60 amp 240v circuit. It's no different than putting a small cracker box welder in your garage. Or a clothes dryer.

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Most homes already have 2 phase power (240V) for any number of things.

So no, a level two charger isn't like have a gasoline tank and pump in your garage. You could make an argument for a propane tank, though - those aren't a big deal, and in rural areas most of us have one.

Yep. 240v isn't anything really special. It's just an additional leg of 120v in the same outlet. In Europe it's what they use for standard home power for everything from a hair dryer to your phone charger.

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Level 2 charging in your garage is no different than installing a gas pump and storage in your garage.

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A level 2 charger is just a 40 to 60 amp 240v circuit. It's no different than putting a small cracker box welder in your garage. Or a clothes dryer.

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Most homes already have 2 phase power (240V) for any number of things.

So no, a level two charger isn't like have a gasoline tank and pump in your garage. You could make an argument for a propane tank, though - those aren't a big deal, and in rural areas most of us have one.

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When connected to an EV I reach a rather difference conclusion.

So in my professional opinion, it runs the same level of risk. I also do not run the electric dryer when not at home. I would advise not using a welder on an EV battery in the garage as well.

Some of us actually care about safety. Others are happy to burn alive in a totally preventable fire. You be you.

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Level 2 charging in your garage is no different than installing a gas pump and storage in your garage.

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A level 2 charger is just a 40 to 60 amp 240v circuit. It's no different than putting a small cracker box welder in your garage. Or a clothes dryer.

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Did you ever enlighten the board on what constitutes a "supercharger" in teh world of Teslag?