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fire rate of 0.3%

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Is it fair to say the risk of an EV fire and the risk of dying of covid are the same?

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Uh, it depends on if you are vaccinated, dummy.

Carry on.

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cecil77 said:

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Because you are attempting to assert that ICE vehicles have more fires (per unit) than EVs.

It was pointed out that the ICE numbers (per 100K) aren't limited to single vehicle, garaged fires, which invalidates your implied contention.

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And what data set has your side presented?

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You're just not gonna answer any anything, are you?

Do you believe an ICE vehicle is more likely to catch fire sitting by itself in a garage than an EV?

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Yes, I do and I've yet to see any data to indicate otherwise. Have you?

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Yes, I have. And so have you.

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Because you are attempting to assert that ICE vehicles have more fires (per unit) than EVs.

It was pointed out that the ICE numbers (per 100K) aren't limited to single vehicle, garaged fires, which invalidates your implied contention.

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Boom.

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Is this going to be an issue were insurance companies are going to make it almost impossible to park and electric vehicle inside your home?

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No, insurance companies generally rely on actuaries and data analysis rather than random articles of one off fires.

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Yes, from the American Academy of Actuaries:

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As prices top $4 a gallon, should you consider an electric vehicle? One consideration: They're more expensive to insure and repair.

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From another source, the Actuarial Post:

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According to new research from comparethemarket.com, drivers choosing to 'go green' by opting for an electric car are having to pay 45% more to insure their vehicle than the average motorist.

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Another boom.

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Holy ****, that was brutal!!

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Yep. More reason we should ban ICE vehicles. That man would still be alive it were an EV.

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Am I missing something? Is that not an electric car that exploded? I'm not much of a car guy, but the video says it's an electric car.

And are we sure that guy died? I know he was hurt badly at least, but I hope he survived.

What is that red thing that hit him? Again, I'm not a car guy, or a mechanical guy... obviously.

techno-ag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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Is this going to be an issue were insurance companies are going to make it almost impossible to park and electric vehicle inside your home?

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No, insurance companies generally rely on actuaries and data analysis rather than random articles of one off fires.

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Yes, from the American Academy of Actuaries:

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As prices top $4 a gallon, should you consider an electric vehicle? One consideration: They're more expensive to insure and repair.

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From another source, the Actuarial Post:

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According to new research from comparethemarket.com, drivers choosing to 'go green' by opting for an electric car are having to pay 45% more to insure their vehicle than the average motorist.

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Another boom.

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Boom? He posted no data relating to EV fires

Teslag said:

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techno-ag said:

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jt2hunt said:

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Is this going to be an issue were insurance companies are going to make it almost impossible to park and electric vehicle inside your home?

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No, insurance companies generally rely on actuaries and data analysis rather than random articles of one off fires.

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Yes, from the American Academy of Actuaries:

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As prices top $4 a gallon, should you consider an electric vehicle? One consideration: They're more expensive to insure and repair.

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From another source, the Actuarial Post:

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According to new research from comparethemarket.com, drivers choosing to 'go green' by opting for an electric car are having to pay 45% more to insure their vehicle than the average motorist.

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Another boom.

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Boom? He posted no data relating to EV fires

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Keep telling yourself you're winning.

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Holy ****, that was brutal!!

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Yep. More reason we should ban ICE vehicles. That man would still be alive it were an EV.

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Am I missing something? Is that not an electric car that exploded? I'm not much of a car guy, but the video says it's an electric car.

And are we sure that guy died? I know he was hurt badly at least, but I hope he survived.

What is that red thing that hit him? Again, I'm not a car guy, or a mechanical guy... obviously.

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The car in the video wasn't an EV. It's old and was an LPG (ICE) vehicle that exploded in Uzbekistan and the man died. The red thing was what remained of the hydrocarbon tank that powered the ICE.

https://daryo.uz/en/2023/02/25/explosion-of-gas-cylinder-fitted-in-car-claims-life-of-gas-station-employee-in-samarkand

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Teslag said:

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techno-ag said:

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Is this going to be an issue were insurance companies are going to make it almost impossible to park and electric vehicle inside your home?

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No, insurance companies generally rely on actuaries and data analysis rather than random articles of one off fires.

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Yes, from the American Academy of Actuaries:

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As prices top $4 a gallon, should you consider an electric vehicle? One consideration: They're more expensive to insure and repair.

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According to new research from comparethemarket.com, drivers choosing to 'go green' by opting for an electric car are having to pay 45% more to insure their vehicle than the average motorist.

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Another boom.

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Boom? He posted no data relating to EV fires

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Keep telling yourself you're winning.

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There's no winning or losing here. Just information. And he didn't post anything relating to EV fires.

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Holy ****, that was brutal!!

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Yep. More reason we should ban ICE vehicles. That man would still be alive it were an EV.

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Am I missing something? Is that not an electric car that exploded? I'm not much of a car guy, but the video says it's an electric car.

And are we sure that guy died? I know he was hurt badly at least, but I hope he survived.

What is that red thing that hit him? Again, I'm not a car guy, or a mechanical guy... obviously.

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The car in the video wasn't an EV. It's old and was an LPG (ICE) vehicle that exploded in Uzbekistan and the man died. The red thing was what remained of the hydrocarbon tank that powered the ICE.

https://daryo.uz/en/2023/02/25/explosion-of-gas-cylinder-fitted-in-car-claims-life-of-gas-station-employee-in-samarkand

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Thank you. That sucks. Sad that guy died. Bad that someone who created the video is lying about it being electric.

Yep. It happens. People just want clicks. I fall for it too on occasion.

That settles it. If you get an electric vehicle, don't park it in the garage. Or on the driveway. Or near where your kids play. Or near anything flammable such as trees and grass.

What might work is to build an extra thick quonset hut that would contain only the one vehicle.

Or park it in Death Valley.

This is a problem at the extreme margins. The rates are so low for both technologies that neither one can be considered advantaged over the other. Gas vehicles catch on fire more frequently, EV fires are more dangerous. Car fire is not on the list of concerns I have about buying a vehicle, because I'd have to live at least 2 lifetimes to experience one for a gas vehicle and 10 lifetimes to experience an EV fire.

It's the fallacy of attention, much like a black man getting shot by a police officer getting attention and a white man not getting attention. Resulting in the misperception that not only is it a common occurrence or likely occurrence for black people, but that it is a problem exclusively experienced by black people.

It's statistical idiocy.

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Everything under the hood of an ice bomb is on the table. Another point for EV's is the lack of extra parts and points of failure, as we routinely see in these catastrophic ice vehicle fires.

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Dude are you a bot? You defend EVs so hard. You do realize you're not saving the planet, right? The electricity you use comes from burning oil, coal and LNG.

If the answer is "I like my EV" then great. Enough said. But it's not the salvation of mankind.

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Everything under the hood of an ice bomb is on the table. Another point for EV's is the lack of extra parts and points of failure, as we routinely see in these catastrophic ice vehicle fires.

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Dude are you a bot? You defend EVs so hard. You do realize you're not saving the planet, right? The electricity you use comes from burning oil, coal and LNG.

If the answer is "I like my EV" then great. Enough said. But it's not the salvation of mankind.

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For some, they can never ever ever say "my EV is great and I LOVE IT!" enough.

The acceleration alone is enough to save mankind. Then you add in a giant iPad glued to your dash and wire up your own electrical panel (blindfolded and with the power on for extra effect), well its just almost impossible to get the average person to understand they are so indeedy great.

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Everything under the hood of an ice bomb is on the table. Another point for EV's is the lack of extra parts and points of failure, as we routinely see in these catastrophic ice vehicle fires.

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Dude are you a bot? You defend EVs so hard. You do realize you're not saving the planet, right? The electricity you use comes from burning oil, coal and LNG.

If the answer is "I like my EV" then great. Enough said. But it's not the salvation of mankind.

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If an EV owner plugged in their car to charge right now in ERCOT, 67% of it would be from fossil fuels. It would be a much higher percentage of fossil fuels in the majority of other parts of the country.

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Everything under the hood of an ice bomb is on the table. Another point for EV's is the lack of extra parts and points of failure, as we routinely see in these catastrophic ice vehicle fires.

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Dude are you a bot? You defend EVs so hard. You do realize you're not saving the planet, right? The electricity you use comes from burning oil, coal and LNG.

If the answer is "I like my EV" then great. Enough said. But it's not the salvation of mankind.

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I have zero care for being green nor does any other Tesla owner I know. It's just a better driving experience for my use.

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Why do you come on every thread critical of EV's? Are you paid to do this?

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It's a political message board. The point is back and forth and debate. If you don't want that just say so.

These threads are never stated by EV drivers. Are they paid by the oil companies?

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Are you being paid by someone to post on here yes or no?

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You know I would feel better if I knew he was being paid. At least then I would understand the why part.

How ridiculous to think that electric cars will save our environment. The vast majority of people in our country and in most other countries will never be able to afford an electric vehicle. I mean if we want to save the environment why don't we go back to riding horses. That makes about as much sense as driving electric vehicles. These ideologies don't give a damn about the working class who need a vehicle to commute to work.

Not reading thru this thread but LOL @ the first 5 or so responses which were all funny/accurate.

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Teslag said:

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Because you are attempting to assert that ICE vehicles have more fires (per unit) than EVs.

It was pointed out that the ICE numbers (per 100K) aren't limited to single vehicle, garaged fires, which invalidates your implied contention.

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And what data set has your side presented?

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You're just not gonna answer any anything, are you?

Do you believe an ICE vehicle is more likely to catch fire sitting by itself in a garage than an EV?

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A dormant ICE is less likely to catch fire in a garage than a charging EV, that is just a physical fact.

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I have zero care for being green nor does any other Tesla owner I know. It's just a better driving experience for my use.

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That would be fine and respected. Your posts belie that contention though.

Nobody is going to win an argument or make sense to someone who has wrapped up their entire personality/existence into owning an EV. Waste of time.

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Nobody is going to win an argument or make sense to someone who has wrapped up their entire personality/existence into owning an EV. Waste of time.

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Until the next big thing comes out and another TA handle change...

I kinda wish he's a very, very accomplished troll. I could respect that!

It's funny, but also scary, that some are embracing putting all these things in/about apartment complexes etc. It may be one thing to park a new high quality BEV in your driveway near your home, but imagine the ratio of those things in a big garage now, or in a few more years and how many of them will have little 'service battery' alerts/lights on while charging them unattended on an extended basis (sometimes when owners are out of town) with worn cables etc.

It's a known issue Fire Departments globally are very concerned about.

EV ownership seems to be somewhere in between a religion and a cult.

When your posting handle is an EV, you're almost obligated to defend it on every negative thread about EVs.

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EV ownership seems to be somewhere in between a religion and a cult.

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Very similar to liberalism and the Democrat Party.

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EV ownership seems to be somewhere in between a religion and a cult.

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Very similar to liberalism and the Democrat Party.

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You mis-spelled communist.

Hadn't realized it before, but that smoke is one hell of a virtue signal. Good job!

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EV ownership seems to be somewhere in between a religion and a cult.

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Yet EV owners aren't the ones who start these threads time and time again trying to show everyone they totally don't care about EV's and just have a problem with the mandates

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EV ownership seems to be somewhere in between a religion and a cult.

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Yet EV owners aren't the ones who start these threads time and time again trying to show everyone they totally don't care about EV's and just have a problem with the mandates

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If EVs were not being mandated, these threads would never be started.

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Lol okay

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EV ownership seems to be somewhere in between a religion and a cult.

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Yet EV owners aren't the ones who start these threads time and time again trying to show everyone they totally don't care about EV's and just have a problem with the mandates

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If EVs were not being mandated, these threads would never be started.

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Lol okay

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You may laugh, but its absolutely true. No one gives two ****s about EVs being a novelty for some folks. Its the mandates that gets folks riled up.

That and images of them burning down parking structures and giant ships in the middle of the ocean.

Also, feel free to not participate in these threads if they bother you.