Mule_lx said:

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I was going to say that we needed more context and to lower your pitchforks. The don't tell another staff member bothers me though.

If this was teacher training, I agree. Not a teacher role or responsibility. They're not trained and have no experience. They don't have any clue about the home life. I believe a teacher should be free to discuss it with a counselor though.

Counselors and trained and experienced. They have access to much more info about the kid and their home life. The counselor should make the call not the teacher.

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BS. Trained and experienced? Yes many of them are trained to push their personal bias and beliefs. Why do people give these "experts" so much power and respect because they have a title?

I think the issue here is that we all agree the teacher is not experienced to handle the situation, but the school's directives could potentially (and have in other places) lead to the inexperienced teacher being the only one handling the situation because they think they know better than the parent on how to raise their child.

How much experience is required to call a parent? Seems like that should be damn easy.

aTmAg said:

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How much experience is required to call a parent? Seems like that should be damn easy.

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To tell them that their child is trans? Doesn't that seem a little more than a "Johnny hasn't been turning in his work" routine call?

I liken it to giving a patient bad news. "You have pancreatic cancer and will be dead in a year" - it's just a conversation, right?

A trans child? A child can know they are trans? You people are evil.

agent-maroon said:

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aTmAg said:

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How much experience is required to call a parent? Seems like that should be damn easy.

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To tell them that their child is trans? Doesn't that seem a little more than a "Johnny hasn't been turning in his work" routine call?

I liken it to giving a patient bad news. "You have pancreatic cancer and will be dead in a year" - it's just a conversation, right?

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That conversation is prescriptive. Not just a statement of fact. I agree it's not the teacher's job to plan a course of action, and there is not (or there shouldn't be) lofty expectations about awesome bedside manner from a teacher. If I'm a parent, I want to hear it from the horse's mouth, and I will take it from there.

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That conversation is prescriptive. Not just a statement of fact.

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My experience says otherwise. If it's a surgeon delivering the news (my experience) then it's usually a statement of fact in an empathetic manner, an "I'm sorry" statement, and a referral to an oncologist for treatment options. Point is that it takes some training and practice to deliver potentially devastating news. Teachers are not trained to do that.

B-1 83 said:

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It's a teacher's job to teach. It's not their job to inform parents about their kid's sexuality one way or another……. Can't have it both ways.

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Well, yeah, teach. And when there's a problem or impediment, conference with the parents

"Yeah, Mrs. Jones, I'm trying to teach a class here, but your son is more interested in borrowing my heels than turning in his homework on time"

B-1 83 said:

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It's a teacher's job to teach. It's not their job to inform parents about their kid's sexuality one way or another……. Can't have it both ways.

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"It's a teacher's job to *teach*. It's not their job to inform parents about their kid's grades or habit of cutting class to get high"

Does this sound stupid yet? If a kid is exhibiting self destructive behavior the parents need to know

Captain Pablo said:

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B-1 83 said:

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It's a teacher's job to teach. It's not their job to inform parents about their kid's sexuality one way or another……. Can't have it both ways.

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Well, yeah, teach. And when there's a problem or impediment, conference with the parents

"Yeah, Mrs. Jones, I'm trying to teach a class here, but your son is more interested in borrowing my heels than turning in his homework on time"

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Dang. I see someone beat me to this line of thinking

Captain Pablo said:

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Didn't RRISD voters have an opportunity to throw a bunch of liberals off the school board recently, and failed to do so?

So yeah, they voted for this

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THIS

Muktheduck said:

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B-1 83 said:

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It's a teacher's job to teach. It's not their job to inform parents about their kid's sexuality one way or another……. Can't have it both ways.

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"It's a teacher's job to *teach*. It's not their job to inform parents about their kid's grades or habit of cutting class to get high"

Does this sound stupid yet? If a kid is exhibiting self destructive behavior the parents need to know

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Sure………….exactly the same…….

Captain Pablo said:

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B-1 83 said:

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It's a teacher's job to teach. It's not their job to inform parents about their kid's sexuality one way or another……. Can't have it both ways.

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Well, yeah, teach. And when there's a problem or impediment, conference with the parents

"Yeah, Mrs. Jones, I'm trying to teach a class here, but your son is more interested in borrowing my heels than turning in his homework on time"

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That is funny. Thanks for the laugh.

B-1 83 said:

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It's a teacher's job to teach. It's not their job to inform parents about their kid's sexuality one way or another……. Can't have it both ways.

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What the ****

agent-maroon said:

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That conversation is prescriptive. Not just a statement of fact.

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My experience says otherwise. If it's a surgeon delivering the news (my experience) then it's usually a statement of fact in an empathetic manner, an "I'm sorry" statement, and a referral to an oncologist for treatment options. Point is that it takes some training and practice to deliver potentially devastating news. Teachers are not trained to do that.

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I can't understand the inclination to create a bureaucratic process as a mechanism for delivering a message to parents. Teachers broach difficult topics with parents all the time, like they suspect their child has a learning disability, or serious behavioral issues. "Your child confided in me that they identify as x, and want to be called y. Here's what I know", etc. I know of one incident in particular where a girl in 3rd grade had apparently convinced 2 girls in her class that they were lesbians. Teacher notified all 3 sets of parents that their daughter was a part of a small clique of girls having casual conversations with other children about how they're lesbians. What I think is that at the very least, the parent should be given access to the person at the school with first hand knowledge of the situation. If that's the teacher then so be it. And frankly, I would want as few people as possible to know about it.

Not all parents think like you do. Some of them like to file lawsuits and ruin careers.

Not all teachers think the same either.

I can see leaving it up to teacher's discretion to make the decision whether to tell the parents or not, depending on the students situation.

For example, if a student was found to be delusional to the point that they thought they were another gender, i dont think the teacher should get in trouble for knowing and not reporting.

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I cannot see having a policy in place in-district that specifically instructs teachers NOT to tell parents. That is a huge red flag and its a very simple explanation as to why its troubling.

One of the steps of grooming a child is to tell them that there are secrets that can be held from parents.

I always tell my kids there are NO secrets from mom and dad. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

The fact that this district, that I graduated from 20 years ago, is doing this is absolutely revolting.

When you say "Dont worry, I wont tell your parents....." and they believe you, its a slippery slope down to abuse.

What if a teacher learns a kid is taking hormones off of the black market.

Do they tell the parents?

If it's a boy taking estrogen?
If it's a boy taking steroids or testosterone?

I'd say yes to both, but this policy would say no to at least one, and would enable kids self destructive and dangerous self medicating.

Progressives are psychopaths.

There's no situation where this info should be withheld from the parent.

It's a simple phone call or email. It's easy and the right thing to so.

What's not of the concern is how the parents deal with it

This is too easy.

The teacher/student is simple. The teacher is the adult sheep dog in the room whose job is to teach and to
protect.

There should be almost no reason to talk about sex….unless it is suspect that abuse is involved.

A teacher should inform the school nurse if illegal or prescription drugs are being taken outside of the school nurses office.

It should be required that the school nurse tell parents that their kids are taking outside of drugs that are listed as a matter of record.

There is no reason for an adult at school to have a conversation that they are gay, trans, hetero or whatever.

Agthatbuilds said:

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There's no situation where this info should be withheld from the parent.

It's a simple phone call or email. It's easy and the right thing to so.

What's not of the concern is how the parents deal with it

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Only Round Rock ISD says it should be totally withheld from the parent. The meat of this discussion is whether teachers should be the go between from student to parent in this area. This isn't grades, this isn't attendance, this isn't homework. It is, as most agree, a personal and psychological situation that the average teacher has no business discussing with parents. Counselors do that, and the legal/social implications of some psycho parent going off on a teacher are evidently beyond most posters comprehension.

FCBlitz said:

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This is too easy.

The teacher/student is simple. The teacher is the adult sheep dog in the room whose job is to teach and to
protect.

There should be almost no reason to talk about sex….unless it is suspect that abuse is involved.

A teacher should inform the school nurse if illegal or prescription drugs are being taken outside of the school nurses office.

It should be required that the school nurse tell parents that their kids are taking outside of drugs that are listed as a matter of record.

There is no reason for an adult at school to have a conversation that they are gay, trans, hetero or whatever.

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The elephant in the room……..

Blame Don Zimmerman and Sandi Bone for what is going on with the ISD. if they hadn't been so damn whacko we would have had the possibility of being somewhat normal.

So glad we left RRISD

If you are conservative and in Round Rock, time to consider a move to Georgetown or even further out to try and keep those areas conservative. Or, move to College Station and keep Aggieland red.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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There's no situation where this info should be withheld from the parent.

It's a simple phone call or email. It's easy and the right thing to so.

What's not of the concern is how the parents deal with it

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Only Round Rock ISD says it should be totally withheld from the parent. The meat of this discussion is whether teachers should be the go between from student to parent in this area. This isn't grades, this isn't attendance, this isn't homework. It is, as most agree, a personal and psychological situation that the average teacher has no business discussing with parents. Counselors do that, and the legal/social implications of some psycho parent going off on a teacher are evidently beyond most posters comprehension.

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No one is suggesting they need to have a discussion. Just inform the parents what they observed. If the parents have any questions or concerns here's the number of the counselor. It requires no special training to make a phone call or send an email. The counselor could even give them a simple script to follow if they are that worried. And yes, teachers report to parents all the time about behavior that seems out of character, disruptive, etc... Your whole premise is ridiculous.

Why is is so hard to pick up the phone and say, "hey. Your kid said she wants to be James instead of Jenny. Just letting you know."

I mean, it should be a common ****ing courtesy.


But, I'd be fine with such things being reported to he counselor or nurse and then the specialist calling the parents. The key here is that the parents are not kept in the dark, nor, are they undermined..

For the good folks in Williamson County............

.............ITS GOING TO BE CHRIST OR CHAOS.

JB99 said:

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B-1 83 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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There's no situation where this info should be withheld from the parent.

It's a simple phone call or email. It's easy and the right thing to so.

What's not of the concern is how the parents deal with it

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Only Round Rock ISD says it should be totally withheld from the parent. The meat of this discussion is whether teachers should be the go between from student to parent in this area. This isn't grades, this isn't attendance, this isn't homework. It is, as most agree, a personal and psychological situation that the average teacher has no business discussing with parents. Counselors do that, and the legal/social implications of some psycho parent going off on a teacher are evidently beyond most posters comprehension.

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No one is suggesting they need to have a discussion. Just inform the parents what they observed. If the parents have any questions or concerns here's the number of the counselor. It requires no special training to make a phone call or send an email. The counselor could even give them a simple script to follow if they are that worried. And yes, teachers report to parents all the time about behavior that seems out of character, disruptive, etc... Your whole premise is ridiculous.

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It's as much about the potential undermining of the parents as it is the deceit.

The training is telling the teachers to not only keep it a secret, but also to immediately affirm the kids alleged new gender. The teachers should they follow this policy, is taking a side. They are acting as an activist the moment they use the pronouns that dont align with the sex of the student.

Sucks for the teacher to be put in this scenario (for the ones who are not pushing it), but, the must ensure the parents are aware of this critical mental/social issue

What so you mean o ly round rock isd?

Two things-

1. That's my isd, so it affects my family very much

2. It's certainly not only round rock. These policies are the same for thousands of school districts across the nation

Agthatbuilds said:

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Why is is so hard to pick up the phone and say, "hey. Your kid said she wants to be James instead of Jenny. Just letting you know."

I mean, it should be a common ****ing courtesy.


But, I'd be fine with such things being reported to he counselor or nurse and then the specialist calling the parents. The key here is that the parents are not kept in the dark, nor, are they undermined..

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It's really hard when the person on the other end questions exactly why, you as a TEACHER are in possession of such knowledge ……..

Tanya 93 said:

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The problem with this is the teacher is the one adult they trust, it will destroy the kid if their confidence is broken.

But I don't see a situation where a kid comes out as trans to a teacher but no one else. Just doesn't make sense. The boy believes he is a girl, but isn't going to live as one yet?

Also, what if the teacher does tell the parents and the child denied it? Do the parents then accuse the teacher of grooming and they are suspended or not renewed?


Tell the counselor. That is the only answer.

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Agreed!

It's also insane bc it SHOULD take a lot of psychological tests from very specific psychologists to approve this sort of thing. A teacher is beyond unqualified to diagnose something so complex.

I'll preface this by saying I fully understand this is anecdotal:

I had a gay student once and her girlfriend was outed her girlfriend's parents by someone at the school

When her girlfriend's parents found out they beat the **** out her. The two kids made a suicide pact and my student slit her wrist in the class after mine.

My student survived and was placed into a psychiatric treatment facility. I hope she is doing okay today but I honestly don't know. She had a full ride scholarship but after the suicide attempt, she never came back to my campus and all of her teachers and staff were threatened with disciplinary and legal action if we had any contact with her outside of school (she was 18 when this happened).



I guess my point is that this sort of thing isn't always as simple as it looks on the surface. People (especially kids) aren't rational when it comes to their emotions and actions. This is a topic that is deeply personal and sensitive to both parents and student and something teachers are given zero training on. If a student comes out as trans or nonbinary at school, I don't believe it's the teachers place to make that call home.

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I'll preface this by saying I fully understand this is anecdotal:

I had a gay student once and her girlfriend was outed her girlfriend's parents by someone at the school

When her girlfriend's parents found out they beat the **** out her. The two kids made a suicide pact and my student slit her wrist in the class after mine.

My student survived and was placed into a psychiatric treatment facility. I hope she is doing okay today but I honestly don't know. She had a full ride scholarship but after the suicide attempt, she never came back to my campus and all of her teachers and staff were threatened with disciplinary and legal action if we had any contact with her outside of school (she was 18 when this happened).



I guess my point is that this sort of thing isn't always as simple as it looks on the surface. People (especially kids) aren't rational when it comes to their emotions and actions. This is a topic that is deeply personal and sensitive to both parents and student and something teachers are given zero training on. If a student comes out as trans or nonbinary at school, I don't believe it's the teachers place to make that call home.

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oh ffs. give me a break. The parent has a right to know, period. The schools need to stick to teaching basics instead of helping kids change their sex.

Teachers are mandatory reporters when they suspect abuse. They should be mandatory reporters when it comes to a kid being so mentally unwell they want to cut their tits/dicks off.

I'd agree with that line of questioning...

Why do you, Mrs. Teacher, have such knowledge? What questions were you asking? What lessons were you teaching? What stories were you sharing? Why did my kid feel comfortable talking about this subject to you and only you?

Those are important questions indeed.