You've got a dead guy.

Youv'e got a motorist that killed a guy.

You've got the cop being looked at unfavorably.

And you've got the potential for a wrongful death settlement which shifts the burden of all this to the citizens of Larimer county.

So at the end of the day the juice ain't worth the squeeze.

And that's a lot different than a blanket don't pursue policy.

Like I said before, you are relying on the adrenaline charged split-second judgment call of the individual officer.

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The cops should have had better control of the situation, as to keep him from running. And it looks like the driver of the car that hit him didn't even slow down until they ran over him, so I wonder about that.

But it's at least 90% on the dumbass that ran.

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This - driver had no awareness there were people in the road 100+ yrds ahead. He ran over him at full speed. WTF?

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What an asinine comment. It's pitch black, it's a highway, the people on the highway are wearing dark clothes, and the driver had about 3 seconds between the guy being on the ground and running them over

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Bull***** Both cops had very bright flashlights flailing wildly. I would have noticed something up ahead and slowed down

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Logos Stick said:

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I'm not whining about anything sparky.

You can't kill somebody running across a field. There is case law that I referenced. Educate yourself.

No idea what Reddit has to do with it.

I'm not defending the perp. I was just using my brain to try to determine if force can be used if the guy is running and not a threat. He wasn't placed under arrest so at that point he wasn't resisting arrest.

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He started running after the officer said "right now, you are under arrest", though evidently you missed that part.

As others have said, chasing someone and deploying a taser is not deadly force.

Cop could have absolutely used any force necessary if he determined the guy running into an active highway at night presented a threat to the public.

Go cry somewhere else. The cop was 100% in the right both legally and morally, and the dumbarse kid made sad choices and ended his life.

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Morally? Who cares. Legally? That will be determined

And you talking sub-zero temps with the possibility of black ice and killing everybody in the car trying to evade the guy in the road.

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fka ftc said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'm not whining about anything sparky.

You can't kill somebody running across a field. There is case law that I referenced. Educate yourself.

No idea what Reddit has to do with it.

I'm not defending the perp. I was just using my brain to try to determine if force can be used if the guy is running and not a threat. He wasn't placed under arrest so at that point he wasn't resisting arrest.

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He started running after the officer said "right now, you are under arrest", though evidently you missed that part.

As others have said, chasing someone and deploying a taser is not deadly force.

Cop could have absolutely used any force necessary if he determined the guy running into an active highway at night presented a threat to the public.

Go cry somewhere else. The cop was 100% in the right both legally and morally, and the dumbarse kid made sad choices and ended his life.

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Morally? Who cares. Legally? That will be determined

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What law did the cop break? Hell, what training protocol did he break?

Morally who cares? I would be that officer, his family, his friends, his coworkers, etc care very much whether the officer acted morally. He did. That officer should and likely does have a clean conscience.

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And you talking sub-zero temps with the possibility of black ice and killing everybody in the car trying to evade the guy in the road.

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I'm just saying its weird the driver didn't even slow down. He was way back up the road 5 count when the guy went down

Yeah true.

I'd reckon a lot more people have been killed trying to avoid something in the road than by hitting something run-overable and maintaining control of the vehicle.

Quite possible the driver was confused, tired, or distracted. None of which matters. It would be unreasonable to think someone can go from ho-hum driving to oh what's that in the road in 5 seconds.

Also quite possible the lights from the cruiser stopped on the access road was drawing the drivers attention or perhaps even the officers giving chase.

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Yeah true.

I'd reckon a lot more people have been killed trying to avoid something in the road than by hitting something run-overable and maintaining control of the vehicle.

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Believe we sadly lost an Aggie football player over avoiding a bird in the road.

And the Darwin award for being a brainless moron goes too...

At lest the young man won't have to worry about running anymore.

Everybody is wrong here.

Was the driver (dead man) wrong? Yes.

Is there any documentation on taser usage in existence that says "use the taser on a non violent offender who is fleeing on an active highway?" NO

The LEO is wrong and killed somebody. More importantly, somebody else will have to live the rest of their life knowing that they killed a man because they were driving while it was dark

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Everybody is I was wrong here, let me clarify my post.

Was the driver (dead man) wrong? Yes.

Is there any documentation on taser usage in existence that says "use the taser on a non violent offender who is fleeing on an active highway?" It is impossible to envision every circumstance and scenario where a taser may be used. However, in the instance feels that the perp poses a risk to the broader public, they may employ non-lethal force, as happened in this situation.

The LEO is wrong and killed somebody, regrettably so, but he should be supported for making the correct decision in the heat of the moment. More importantly Unfortunately, somebody else will have to live the rest of their life knowing that they killed a man because they refused to obey the officer's instructions when being placed under arrest. were driving while it was dark

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Made some changes so your post made sense.

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TAMUallen said:

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Everybody is I was wrong here, let me clarify my post.

Was the driver (dead man) wrong? Yes.

Is there any documentation on taser usage in existence that says "use the taser on a non violent offender who is fleeing on an active highway?" It is impossible to envision every circumstance and scenario where a taser may be used. However, in the instance feels that the perp poses a risk to the broader public, they may employ non-lethal force, as happened in this situation.

The LEO is wrong and killed somebody, regrettably so, but he should be supported for making the correct decision in the heat of the moment. More importantly Unfortunately, somebody else will have to live the rest of their life knowing that they killed a man because they refused to obey the officer's instructions when being placed under arrest. were driving while it was dark

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Made some changes so your post made sense.

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Whatever you say buddy.

Nothing I saw meant that death should even be a possibility. I think that human life matters more than making an arrest when you know who the person is and also would have possession of their car.

But whatever makes you feel right and good. Weird to me to be honest

Like the old saying goes: don't do the crime if you can't do the getting hit by a car

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Play stupid games…

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Inconsistent messaging. Babbitt played stupid games but is a martyr here. And don't even get me started on Blue Lives Matter.

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Kvetch said:

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Play stupid games…

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Inconsistent messaging. Babbitt played stupid games but is a martyr here. And don't even get me started on Blue Lives Matter.

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What do you have against the smurfs?

Did he have to reel his body in like a fish that swallowed the hook after?

I don't see an issue with the cops action. The criminal is putting them all at risk fleeing across the highway

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Quite possible the driver was confused, tired, or distracted. None of which matters. It would be unreasonable to think someone can go from ho-hum driving to oh what's that in the road in 5 seconds.

Also quite possible the lights from the cruiser stopped on the access road was drawing the drivers attention or perhaps even the officers giving chase.

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they were probably looking at their phone. Cop car with lights on? slow down. See flailing flashlights near cop car? slow down. Light traffic with a cop car and flashlights flailing? Slow down and move over to the other lane.

A proven fact that you live longer if you don't do the crime.

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I'm not whining about anything sparky.

You can't kill somebody running across a field. There is case law that I referenced. Educate yourself.

No idea what Reddit has to do with it.

I'm not defending the perp. I was just using my brain to try to determine if force can be used if the guy is running and not a threat. He wasn't placed under arrest so at that point he wasn't resisting arrest.

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He started running after the officer said "right now, you are under arrest", though evidently you missed that part.

As others have said, chasing someone and deploying a taser is not deadly force.

Cop could have absolutely used any force necessary if he determined the guy running into an active highway at night presented a threat to the public.

Go cry somewhere else. The cop was 100% in the right both legally and morally, and the dumbarse kid made sad choices and ended his life.

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Take the stick out of your ass, jack.

No one is crying here.

Never heard anything about being arrested.

Then watch the video... jack. Cop says "right now you are under arrest" then home skillet bolts.

fentanyl is a helluva drug

Gave them a false name. Was told he was under arrest. Bolted.

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Whatever you say buddy.

Nothing I saw meant that death should even be a possibility. I think that human life matters more than making an arrest when you know who the person is and also would have possession of their car.

But whatever makes you feel right and good. Weird to me to be honest

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If he simply took off running and the cops yelled "quit running dumbarse" and he runs into a lane of traffic where your 16yo daughter is driving home with her friends from church and it kills all 4 of them, then I guess the cop in that situation just sits on his hands and says "I yelled very strongly for this young man not to run, but I didn't want to be on Twitter so I did not pursue.

That seems weird to me, to be honest.

I will say that I put on a heavy duty TRD skid plate on my 4Runner last week in case I encounter this situation. Don't want any damage underneath

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Whatever you say buddy.

Nothing I saw meant that death should even be a possibility. I think that human life matters more than making an arrest when you know who the person is and also would have possession of their car.

But whatever makes you feel right and good. Weird to me to be honest

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If he simply took off running and the cops yelled "quit running dumbarse" and he runs into a lane of traffic where your 16yo daughter is driving home with her friends from church and it kills all 4 of them, then I guess the cop in that situation just sits on his hands and says "I yelled very strongly for this young man not to run, but I didn't want to be on Twitter so I did not pursue.

That seems weird to me, to be honest.

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My goodness. But hey grumpy, I don't think she's driving home from church in the dark anyway.

Do we want to just make stuff up now and feel great with feels? That's straight up trolling

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Whatever you say buddy.

Nothing I saw meant that death should even be a possibility. I think that human life matters more than making an arrest when you know who the person is and also would have possession of their car.

But whatever makes you feel right and good. Weird to me to be honest

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If he simply took off running and the cops yelled "quit running dumbarse" and he runs into a lane of traffic where your 16yo daughter is driving home with her friends from church and it kills all 4 of them, then I guess the cop in that situation just sits on his hands and says "I yelled very strongly for this young man not to run, but I didn't want to be on Twitter so I did not pursue.

That seems weird to me, to be honest.

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My goodness. But hey grumpy, I don't think she's driving home from church in the dark anyway.

Do we want to just make stuff up now and feel great with feels? That's straight up trolling

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You perception is off (not surprising) if you think I am grumpy. Laramie, WY in February is going to be dark before 6pm, though this did occur at 9:30pm-ish on a Saturday evening, so maybe her and her friends had gone to a movie and got ice cream.

The point is the cop has a choice to make. Complete the arrest or allow a freeing criminal to endanger lives on the highway at night. He made the best choice. Sorry that hurts your feelz.

And call me a troll. Not like your opinion counts for much.

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fka ftc said:

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Whatever you say buddy.

Nothing I saw meant that death should even be a possibility. I think that human life matters more than making an arrest when you know who the person is and also would have possession of their car.

But whatever makes you feel right and good. Weird to me to be honest

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If he simply took off running and the cops yelled "quit running dumbarse" and he runs into a lane of traffic where your 16yo daughter is driving home with her friends from church and it kills all 4 of them, then I guess the cop in that situation just sits on his hands and says "I yelled very strongly for this young man not to run, but I didn't want to be on Twitter so I did not pursue.

That seems weird to me, to be honest.

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My goodness. But hey grumpy, I don't think she's driving home from church in the dark anyway.

Do we want to just make stuff up now and feel great with feels? That's straight up trolling

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You perception is off (not surprising) if you think I am grumpy. Laramie, WY in February is going to be dark before 6pm, though this did occur at 9:30pm-ish on a Saturday evening, so maybe her and her friends had gone to a movie and got ice cream.

The point is the cop has a choice to make. Complete the arrest or allow a freeing criminal to endanger lives on the highway at night. He made the best choice. Sorry that hurts your feelz.

And call me a troll. Not like your opinion counts for much.

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You're a lovely fellow who truly knows how to have a fun good conversation!

Cops can use a reasonable amount of force to affect an arrest.

A taser is not deadly force.

Dude didn't want to go through detox for fentanyl and being held in jail is painful for fentanyl addicts, so he made another bad decision that placed him, the cop and the general public in danger.

Awful but lawful.

Fentanyl / meth etc dealers are sociopaths. They contribute to people like this screwing up their lives, for a few bucks.

How the hell did that car not see them and the cops light a few hundred yards away in the middle of the highway? Just curious as to what they were doing. Maybe on phone? Goodness.

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He made several mistakes- whatever he did to get pulled over, giving a false ID, and running from the police.

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4. Running onto a busy interstate in the middle if the night.

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How the hell did that car not see them and the cops light a few hundred yards away in the middle of the highway? Just curious as to what they were doing. Maybe on phone? Goodness.

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Flashlights from a distance on the median at night at highway speed. Probably just blended into oncoming traffic light until it was way too late

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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And you talking sub-zero temps with the possibility of black ice and killing everybody in the car trying to evade the guy in the road.

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I'm just saying its weird the driver didn't even slow down. He was way back up the road 5 count when the guy went down

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You're not the only one. Very weird. I can't imagine myself not being able to avoid running that guy over at full speed from that far out. They had to have been distracted or impaired.

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Does tazing a suspect in the middle of I-25 at night in February sub-zero temps rise to the level of deadly force?

Maybe.

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No.

After all of this time, when this subkect has come do PEOPLE not understand the guidelines for cops not understood?

People here, on this forum, are jury pools. I have reported for jury calls many time but because I am an attorney and smart, I always get struck.

But let's go somewhere else here.

Jury duty.

That is the only way this country survives. That juries really understood they are the last bastion of defense between the all encompassing power of the state against a singular person, the jury.

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You're not the only one. Very weird. I can't imagine myself not being able to avoid running that guy over at full speed from that far out. They had to have been distracted or impaired.

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Heavens you are insane. Suppose you can stop in fifty feet? At 50 to 70 MPH?

Not the cop's fault under the law.

You want to change the law? talk to SCOTUS.