Viewer beware, worse than I expected.

A Larimer County Sheriff’s Deputy tased a fleeing 28 year old man onto an active highway where he is ran over and killed.
Who was in the wrong here? pic.twitter.com/JzPv742d8r

— Donut Operator 🍩 (@DonutOperator) July 29, 2023

I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

I'd say don't do stupid **** and don't run from the cops.

Play stupid games…

Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

A criminal running into traffic is a threat to public safety.

Plus, apparently, to his own safety.

It's too bad the cop wasn't able to tase him while he was on the grass, but I say, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing criminal suspect is a threat. You don't have context here as to why he gave a fake name. Even so, if he's standing up he could possibly injure the driver of a car he runs in front of. They're lucky he was prone.

He reaped what he sowed. Run from the cops, take your life into your hands. It's not like he was a teen running from a cop at a busted party.

Active policing for the modern era.

That deputy got that adrenaline shot and his brain went ctrl-alt-delete.

Cop lucky as hell he didn't get run over himself.

Disagree with the cop here. He over reacted and the killing was unjustified.

Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing criminal suspect is a threat. You don't have context here as to why he gave a fake name. Even so, if he's standing up he could possibly injure the driver of a car he runs in front of. They're lucky he was prone.

He reaped what he sowed. Run from the cops, take your life into your hands. It's not like he was a teen running from a cop at a busted party.

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Actually...

Googling it came up with this:

"Under the Constitution, when may police officers use deadly force?...

when they have probable cause to believe a suspect poses an imminent threat of serious bodily harm"

https://www.talksonlaw.com/briefs/when-can-police-use-deadly-force

That doesn't seem to be the case here.

A "freeing criminal" is not automatically considered a threat.

Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing suspect is a threat to public safety. This "don't pursue suspects policy" enables criminals.

Criminals are not worth more than the general public.

I mostly feel bad for the driver that ran him over.

Ags4DaWin said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing suspect is a threat to public safety. This "don't pursue suspects policy" enables criminals.

Criminals are not worth more than the general public.

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That is incorrect based on what I see online.

By that logic, he can be shot and killed at will running across an empty field.

Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing criminal suspect is a threat. You don't have context here as to why he gave a fake name. Even so, if he's standing up he could possibly injure the driver of a car he runs in front of. They're lucky he was prone.

He reaped what he sowed. Run from the cops, take your life into your hands. It's not like he was a teen running from a cop at a busted party.

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Actually...

Googling it came up with this:

"Under the Constitution, when may police officers use deadly force?...

when they have probable cause to believe a suspect poses an imminent threat of serious bodily harm"

https://www.talksonlaw.com/briefs/when-can-police-use-deadly-force

That doesn't seem to be the case here.

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A taser is less than lethal.

The cops should have had better control of the situation, as to keep him from running. And it looks like the driver of the car that hit him didn't even slow down until they ran over him, so I wonder about that.

But it's at least 90% on the dumbass that ran.

This looks like a routine traffic stop.

Seems like tazing a suspect in the middle of I-25 at night transcends to the use of deadly force.

Probably doesn't matter if the dude was fleeing or not.

There's very few circumstances where shooting a fleeing suspect in the back is justified and this wasn't one of 'em.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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This looks like a routine traffic stop.

Seems like tazing a suspect in the middle of I-25 at night transcends to the use of deadly force.

Probably doesn't matter if the dude was fleeing or not.

There's very few circumstances where shooting a fleeing suspect in the back is justified and this wasn't one of 'em.

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It escalated above routine than when perp gave false ID

Logos Stick said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing suspect is a threat to public safety. This "don't pursue suspects policy" enables criminals.

Criminals are not worth more than the general public.

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That is incorrect based on what I see online.

By that logic, he can be shot and killed at will running across an empty field.

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When the suspect is deemed to be a threat to the public. He can be killed running across a field, yes.

Also reddit is not always correct.

Additionally a taser is not lethal force. I bet the kid would have much rather been winged and dragged from the road rather than tased and run over.

First you're ilk told us to tase them.

Now ur whining about that.

Very telling you value the life of a criminal above the general public. You deserve to get everything u vote for.

I have seen and called out plenty of bad shoots.

However in this case I fail TGAF about some teenage hoodlum being a dumbass and fleeing the cops. And getting himself run over in the process

He wasn't a contributor to society. Nor was he likely going to be. He made several mistakes- whatever he did to get pulled over, giving a false ID, and running from the police.

He was an addition to society by subtraction.

You can do all the use-of-force training you want to. But at the end of the day it's a split second judgment call of the individual, and its' hard to train for that.

You just dont' know how you'd react, or how another person would be expected to react.

So I don't think we can blame the deputy as an individual.

You trying to make a good policing omelette and you gonna have to break a few eggs.

This was a bad situation and I feel bad for all involved.

But in the case of the suspect, it was FAFO.

And he did.

And thats the risk you take if you try and run from the cops.

A wise man once said:

Argue in front of the judge and not on the side of the road.

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He over reacted and the killing was unjustified.

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If the cop had shot him, you might have a good point under Graham v. Connor.

Here? Taser is not deadly force.

Does tazing a suspect in the middle of I-25 at night in February sub-zero temps rise to the level of deadly force?

Maybe.

Ags4DaWin said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing suspect is a threat to public safety. This "don't pursue suspects policy" enables criminals.

Criminals are not worth more than the general public.

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That is incorrect based on what I see online.

By that logic, he can be shot and killed at will running across an empty field.

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When the suspect is deemed to be a threat to the public. He can be killed running across a field, yes.

Also reddit is not always correct.

Additionally a taser is not lethal force. I bet the kid would have much rather been winged and dragged from the road rather than tased and run over.

First you're ilk told us to tase them.

Now ur whining about that.

Very telling you value the life of a criminal above the general public. You deserve to get everything u vote for.

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I'm not whining about anything sparky.

You can't kill somebody running across a field. There is case law that I referenced. Educate yourself.

No idea what Reddit has to do with it.

I'm not defending the perp. I was just using my brain to try to determine if force can be used if the guy is running and not a threat. He wasn't placed under arrest so at that point he wasn't resisting arrest.

Mess with the fuzz, get the buzz. Jolt and rolt, lol

What did that guy do (or try to do) to the cop right before he started running?

Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing criminal suspect is a threat. You don't have context here as to why he gave a fake name. Even so, if he's standing up he could possibly injure the driver of a car he runs in front of. They're lucky he was prone.

He reaped what he sowed. Run from the cops, take your life into your hands. It's not like he was a teen running from a cop at a busted party.

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Actually...

Googling it came up with this:

"Under the Constitution, when may police officers use deadly force?...

when they have probable cause to believe a suspect poses an imminent threat of serious bodily harm"

https://www.talksonlaw.com/briefs/when-can-police-use-deadly-force

That doesn't seem to be the case here.

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The police officer did not use deadly force. A taser is not deadly force, it's main purpose is to disable a suspect with non-lethal force.

kb2001 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing criminal suspect is a threat. You don't have context here as to why he gave a fake name. Even so, if he's standing up he could possibly injure the driver of a car he runs in front of. They're lucky he was prone.

He reaped what he sowed. Run from the cops, take your life into your hands. It's not like he was a teen running from a cop at a busted party.

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Actually...

Googling it came up with this:

"Under the Constitution, when may police officers use deadly force?...

when they have probable cause to believe a suspect poses an imminent threat of serious bodily harm"

https://www.talksonlaw.com/briefs/when-can-police-use-deadly-force

That doesn't seem to be the case here.

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The police officer did not use deadly force. A taser is not deadly force, it's main purpose is to disable a suspect with non-lethal force.

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Ok, but a fleeing "criminal" can't automatically be assumed a threat, per case law, which is what was asserted.

Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Kvetch said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I'd say you don't tase unless a threat, but I don't really know the law.

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Hedge with another dumb take.

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How is my take dumb? I'm not hedge.

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A fleeing criminal suspect is a threat. You don't have context here as to why he gave a fake name. Even so, if he's standing up he could possibly injure the driver of a car he runs in front of. They're lucky he was prone.

He reaped what he sowed. Run from the cops, take your life into your hands. It's not like he was a teen running from a cop at a busted party.

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Actually...

Googling it came up with this:

"Under the Constitution, when may police officers use deadly force?...

when they have probable cause to believe a suspect poses an imminent threat of serious bodily harm"

https://www.talksonlaw.com/briefs/when-can-police-use-deadly-force

That doesn't seem to be the case here.

A "freeing criminal" is not automatically considered a threat.

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Thats why the cop wasn't using lethal force. If the suspect was a threat the cop would have unloaded a magazine of bullets into him instead of tasing him.

LeonardSkinner said:

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The cops should have had better control of the situation, as to keep him from running. And it looks like the driver of the car that hit him didn't even slow down until they ran over him, so I wonder about that.

But it's at least 90% on the dumbass that ran.

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This - driver had no awareness there were people in the road 100+ yrds ahead. He ran over him at full speed. WTF?

The use-of-force-continuum is a two way street.

If deadly force wasn't appropriate here then use of a tazer probably wasn't appropriate here either.

I always keep in mind what Craig's dad said to him in the movie Friday, and also what Mickey said to Rocky.

'you.win some, you lose some, but you live to fight another day.'

And that goes for the cop and the suspect in this case.

Sometimes the best response in a law enforcement situation is not to do anything at all.

And that probably was the case here.

Catch up with the dude at his momma's house in a few days.

No set of events we saw take place here justifies the use of deadly force.

You know. Imho, and I could be wrong about that. But probably not.

Damn that was like a skit from Reno 911.

It was probably -3C where that traffic stop took place.

That dude could run and hide somewhere but he might well succumb to the elements before morning.

captkirk said:

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LeonardSkinner said:

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The cops should have had better control of the situation, as to keep him from running. And it looks like the driver of the car that hit him didn't even slow down until they ran over him, so I wonder about that.

But it's at least 90% on the dumbass that ran.

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This - driver had no awareness there were people in the road 100+ yrds ahead. He ran over him at full speed. WTF?

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What an asinine comment. It's pitch black, it's a highway, the people on the highway are wearing dark clothes, and the driver had about 3 seconds between the guy being on the ground and running them over

Logos Stick said:

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I'm not whining about anything sparky.

You can't kill somebody running across a field. There is case law that I referenced. Educate yourself.

No idea what Reddit has to do with it.

I'm not defending the perp. I was just using my brain to try to determine if force can be used if the guy is running and not a threat. He wasn't placed under arrest so at that point he wasn't resisting arrest.

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He started running after the officer said "right now, you are under arrest", though evidently you missed that part.

As others have said, chasing someone and deploying a taser is not deadly force.

Cop could have absolutely used any force necessary if he determined the guy running into an active highway at night presented a threat to the public.

Go cry somewhere else. The cop was 100% in the right both legally and morally, and the dumbarse kid made sad choices and ended his life.