It might not be lack of vaccines... it might be the apple turnovers... I'm willing to try that.

V8Aggie said:

---

So while the Amish can seek modern medicine, they typically don't elect for anything past basic services.

Not surprising their numbers are skewed if they're not undergoing real testing thus going undiagnosed.

Also they eat a lot of horse paste. ( I kid )

---

This.

The 'slow learners' when I was in elementary school were probably un-diagnosed autistic kids.

jja79 said:

---

Who has said that? People skeptical about a medical experiment are justified in that skepticism as this plays out.

---

There are people here on the last autism thread who firmly believe we're better off without them at all.

And I'm not talking about the WuFlu crap.

I'd rather not see kids dying or paralyzed by polio, suffering with measles (the most infectious virus on the planet), diphtheria, whooping cough, etc. etc. etc.

I do think we need to space out the vaccines we give to kids because too many at once could cause unexpected interactions and harm.

CanyonAg77 said:

---

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2010/01/08/amish-have-low-cancer-rate/23895255007/

Quote:

---

Rates are based on the average number of people per 100,000 who developed the disease each year between 1996 and 2003.

The overall rate of cancer in Amish adults was 390, compared with 647 in the population at large.

The low rates of tobacco use among the Amish explained some of that, but not all. Rates of tobacco-related cancers were 82 for the Amish and 222 for others.

---

---

They eat a lot healthier diet than most Americans and they do a lot of physical work.

That alone cuts down the risk of a lot of illnesses.

I doubt that "zero" kids had diabetes, but if they do, it's genetic, not lifestyle induced. So I wouldn't be surprised if those rates were lower.

Has nothing to do with vaccines.

This study found 1 in 271 Amish kids diagnosed with Autism.

https://imfar.confex.com/imfar/2010/webprogram/Paper7336.html

Rapier108 said:

---

Oh here we go again.

The anti-vaxxers have a new thread to tell everyone we'd be better off with everything from tetanus to smallpox running amok.

---

Labeling a group anti vax, that isn't anti vax isn't smart.

How many Amish communities have tetanus & smallpox issues?

I'm not saying that way of living is right for everyone, but your argument is just petulent.

C@LAg said:

---

samurai_science said:

---

C@LAg said:

---

beerad12man said:

---

So what is the argument, or what are we supposed to take from this?

---

all vaccines are bad.
FDA is bad.

---

There is a reason Big Pharma has avoided paying over a Billion dollars in medical damages to people damaged by vaccines. Oh right, they have immunity!

---

yep. another trump failure for allowing that to happen so he could claim scoreboard on an untested vcaccine/.

---

do you always troll, or just like to be that concerned moderate and bash Trump.

Trump did not pass any "law" immunity to big pharma. They already had it.

Quote:

---

WASHINGTON In 1986 Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA), creating a no-fault compensation program to stabilize a vaccine market adversely affected by an increase in vaccine-related lawsuits and to facilitate compensation to claimants who found pursuing legitimate vaccine-inflicted injuries too difficult and cost prohibitive.

The NCVIA allowed for a party alleging a vaccine-related injury to file a petition for compensation in the Court of Federal Claims, naming the Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary as the respondent.

---

The covid-19 medication was just rolled up into the same law.

But you already knew that.

Listening to anyone pushing it has turned out to be stupid. The biggest issue is Biden forced a lot of people into it and he should face the consequences. He violated th Nuremberg Code.

C@LAg said:

---

jja79 said:

---

People who made the stupid decision to leave the control group and join the study group have no one to blame but themselves if they did it while Trump was in office. The crime against humanity occurred under Biden and he should face the consequences.

---

here's chump in March 2021.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/17/trump-assures-supporters-that-covid-vaccination-is-safe.html

• Former President Donald Trump again urged people to be vaccinated against Covid-19.
• Trump said he would recommend vaccination to "a lot of people that don't want to get it, and a lot of those people voted for me."

---

And in DECEMBER 2021, Trump called it "one of mankind's greatest achievements".

Yet still had 1-2 of his loyal followers on here laughing and mocking anyone who died or suffered injury from the vaccine just the other day. Seemingly happy that some of our Trump supporting family and friends may have suffered for being stupid enough to take the vaccine that he praised and urged everyone to take. There are some great conservative God fearing Trump supporting posters on here that took it too. Makes zero sense.

Pluralizes Everythings said:

---

Rapier108 said:

---

Oh here we go again.

The anti-vaxxers have a new thread to tell everyone we'd be better off with everything from tetanus to smallpox running amok.

---

Labeling a group anti vax, that isn't anti vax isn't smart.

How many Amish communities have tetanus & smallpox issues?

I'm not saying that way of living is right for everyone, but your argument is just petulent.

---

The bacteria which causes Tetanus is everywhere. The vaccine provides protection again the toxin it produces so unless they have had the tetanus vaccine, they can get the paralysis form of it if they get the bacteria into an open wound.

Smallpox thankfully was eradicated save the samples at the CDC and Russia's VECTOR.

Things like polio and measles are still out there, and we'll likely start seeing more of it because of Biden's open border invasion

You can call me petulant all you want, but people who want to go back to a time before vaccines are insane.

And again, I am not talking about the WuFlu crap. That is an issue all its own.

Well yeah, if you don't get tested for it, you won't get diagnosed with it. That was my approach to covid.

boulderaggie said:

---

Good for them. We should all be eating their diet, using their medicines and vaccines, and emulating their physical activity. I bet they have a very low carbon footprint to boot. Seems like they have a lot of things figured out.

---

What, you don't want their faith as well?

Anyone taking medical advice from an elected official, of either party, is a moron.

boulderaggie said:

---

Good for them. We should all be eating their diet, using their medicines and vaccines, and emulating their physical activity. I bet they have a very low carbon footprint to boot. Seems like they have a lot of things figured out.

---

You turning the other cheek bro?

Or going Harrison Ford?

jja79 said:

---

Anyone taking medical advice from an elected official, of either party, is a moron.

---

Agreed...and I would extend that to "medical professionals" as they were almost all recommending the fauci ouchie. They looked vexed when they tried several times to persuade my 5mo pregnant wife to get the jab, and we told them "no" and that we trusted our immune systems after recovering from the virus with ease just a few months prior.

I will trust specialists and surgeons at their craft for the most part, but words can't describe how much trust I have lost in most general practitioners. Many of them still believe cloth masks are effective.

My main problem is a few die hard Trump supporters on here that were basically wishing death on any person that took it, even though a lot of these people were good decent Trump supporting people who had been convinced that it was safe and effective for the elderly, not just by Trump, but the entire science and medical community. I get being furious at those who supported the mandates...but people who just took the jab because their doctor told them to? Very bad bull imo.

I wouldn't trust the medical community any more than I do either Trump or Biden.

I don't know any Trump supporters who wish ill on anyone. I do know several Biden people, including family members, who actually said when my sister tested positive (then went through the 10 days of Netflix treatment) that it would serve both her and me right if she died.

Brittmoore Car Club said:

---

C@LAg said:

---

jja79 said:

---

People who made the stupid decision to leave the control group and join the study group have no one to blame but themselves if they did it while Trump was in office. The crime against humanity occurred under Biden and he should face the consequences.

---

here's chump in March 2021.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/17/trump-assures-supporters-that-covid-vaccination-is-safe.html

• Former President Donald Trump again urged people to be vaccinated against Covid-19.
• Trump said he would recommend vaccination to "a lot of people that don't want to get it, and a lot of those people voted for me."

---

And in DECEMBER 2021, Trump called it "one of mankind's greatest achievements".

Yet still had 1-2 of his loyal followers on here laughing and mocking anyone who died or suffered injury from the vaccine just the other day. Seemingly happy that some of our Trump supporting family and friends may have suffered for being stupid enough to take the vaccine that he praised and urged everyone to take. There are some great conservative God fearing Trump supporting posters on here that took it too. Makes zero sense.

---

Makes perfect sense, really. As soon as Biden was inaugurated, both sides lost their collective **** and forgot the previous 12 months entirely. The same side that mere weeks before praised trump for cutting FDA red tape and complained that the librul media weren't giving him credit for the super fast roll out and convincing manufacturers to give the vaccine out were all of a sudden crying about how the vaccine wasn't FDA approved and being rolled out too quickly because it wasn't tested. The same side that wouldn't dream of taking the, "Trump vaccine," was now lining up for it and pushing for it to be required. The only change was who was in office and taking the credit.

Statistically impossible I suspect.

GinMan said:

---

Zero Amish Children Diagnosed with Cancer, Diabetes or Autismhttps://t.co/hg1K7uDVOi

— Wittgenstein (@backtolife_2023) July 9, 2023

---

Good for them.

Me, I'll actually be enjoying everything life has to offer.

Plus, a la Google, Americans live longer than the Amish. Wonder why the is?

willtackleforfood said:

---

Steve Kirsch: “We Can’t Find an Autistic Kid Who Was Unvaccinated”

“The Amish are a perfect example of a large group of people who are largely unvaccinated,” testified @stkirsch to the Pennsylvania State Senate.

“You won’t find kids with ADD, with autoimmune disease, with… pic.twitter.com/vBfWixDLbE

— The Vigilant Fox 🦊 (@VigilantFox) June 29, 2023

Has the CDC released data from their long term studies on childhood vaccines?

---

If you can't find any Aggies who were never vaccinated as kids, does that mean that vaccinations cause Aggies?

Rapier108 said:

---

Pluralizes Everythings said:

---

Rapier108 said:

---

Oh here we go again.

The anti-vaxxers have a new thread to tell everyone we'd be better off with everything from tetanus to smallpox running amok.

---

Labeling a group anti vax, that isn't anti vax isn't smart.

How many Amish communities have tetanus & smallpox issues?

I'm not saying that way of living is right for everyone, but your argument is just petulent.

---

The bacteria which causes Tetanus is everywhere. The vaccine provides protection again the toxin it produces so unless they have had the tetanus vaccine, they can get the paralysis form of it if they get the bacteria into an open wound.

Smallpox thankfully was eradicated save the samples at the CDC and Russia's VECTOR.

Things like polio and measles are still out there, and we'll likely start seeing more of it because of Biden's open border invasion

You can call me petulant all you want, but people who want to go back to a time before vaccines are insane.

And again, I am not talking about the WuFlu crap. That is an issue all its own.

---

This. Unlike libs, I actually follow the science. I am very much pro vaccine. The vast majority of our vaccines were developed and manufactured by US companies and provided to the public after years, in some cases decades, of study. I too do not want to go back. My father spent eight months of his childhood paralyzed from the waste down from Polio.

I get the boosters for what I believe is necessary and logical. I pass on the flu vaccine because I'm not scared of getting the flu. I'm not vaxxed for HPV because as a faithful married man I have no need. I did get shingles once and it really sucked and I'll probably start getting that vax, need to have that talk with one of my docs. You get the point.

Covid vaccines are experimental. Not letting that sh** touch my sons. No way. Both of my boys got Covid and their worst symptom was boredom. Why would we vaccinate kids for that?

jja79 said:

---

I wouldn't trust the medical community any more than I do either Trump or Biden.

I don't know any Trump supporters who wish ill on anyone. I do know several Biden people, including family members, who actually said when my sister tested positive (then went through the 10 days of Netflix treatment) that it would serve both her and me right if she died.

---

It was just two posters on here the other day, and I was surprised...because this is type of foul behavior is more typical of the left. I know families that were broken up over the damn "vaccine" because of politicized fear driven zealots.

I can see "dunking" on outspoken advocates of the vaccine who ended up dying suddenly, but these guys were just seemingly happy that people who were "stupid enough to take it" (pretty sure their boy Trump took it) ended up dying. Anyways, enough about them, the vast majority of the right is nothing like that.

Dirty-8-thirty Ag said:

---

Phatbob said:

---

boulderaggie said:

---

Good for them. We should all be eating their diet, using their medicines and vaccines, and emulating their physical activity. I bet they have a very low carbon footprint to boot. Seems like they have a lot of things figured out.

---

Not so sure about that one... The one thing I know it means is that Mountain Dew doesn't cause cancer. I've never seen a cart of an Amish family in a grocery store that didn't have a few 24 packs of the stuff.

---

Have some family from Seminole, TX and the Mennonites in the area are the same way. The Jr. High kids will chug Mountain Dew, chainsmoke Marlboro reds and work 16 hours a day. Different world than anything I am accustomed to seeing.

---

The only people in my community who I have never met are the Mennonites.

GinMan said:

---

Zero Amish Children Diagnosed with Cancer, Diabetes or Autismhttps://t.co/hg1K7uDVOi

— Wittgenstein (@backtolife_2023) July 9, 2023

---

BS. But people believe anything that's posted on the internet.

I think all politicians took a placebo. They were in business with Covid.

Old May Banker said:

---

agz win said:

---

beerad12man said:

---

So what is the argument, or what are we supposed to take from this?

---

Kelly McGillis was a hot Amish woman.

---

And then looked what happened after she left that religion.... maybe the Amish are on to something.

---

You're trying hard not to show it






But baby, baby I know it
You lost that lovin' feelin'

I saw a documentary on an Amish family having to choose between the community and treating their child for cancer.

Urban Ag said:

---

Rapier108 said:

---

Pluralizes Everythings said:

---

Rapier108 said:

---

Oh here we go again.

The anti-vaxxers have a new thread to tell everyone we'd be better off with everything from tetanus to smallpox running amok.

---

Labeling a group anti vax, that isn't anti vax isn't smart.

How many Amish communities have tetanus & smallpox issues?

I'm not saying that way of living is right for everyone, but your argument is just petulent.

---

The bacteria which causes Tetanus is everywhere. The vaccine provides protection again the toxin it produces so unless they have had the tetanus vaccine, they can get the paralysis form of it if they get the bacteria into an open wound.

Smallpox thankfully was eradicated save the samples at the CDC and Russia's VECTOR.

Things like polio and measles are still out there, and we'll likely start seeing more of it because of Biden's open border invasion

You can call me petulant all you want, but people who want to go back to a time before vaccines are insane.

And again, I am not talking about the WuFlu crap. That is an issue all its own.

---

This. Unlike libs, I actually follow the science. I am very much pro vaccine. The vast majority of our vaccines were developed and manufactured by US companies and provided to the public after years, in some cases decades, of study. I too do not want to go back. My father spent eight months of his childhood paralyzed from the waste down from Polio.

I get the boosters for what I believe is necessary and logical. I pass on the flu vaccine because I'm not scared of getting the flu. I'm not vaxxed for HPV because as a faithful married man I have no need. I did get shingles once and it really sucked and I'll probably start getting that vax, need to have that talk with one of my docs. You get the point.

Covid vaccines are experimental. Not letting that sh** touch my sons. No way. Both of my boys got Covid and their worst symptom was boredom. Why would we vaccinate kids for that?

---

The shingles vax is a 1 time jab. It hurts less than the Pneumonia vax.

Rapier108 said:

---

Any source other than "SlayNews"?

Not saying it isn't true, but way too many so called "news" sites out there which are BS and SlayNews just sounds like junk.

---

IDK, but I'd take SlayNews over NBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, PBS, etc, etc

Shoefly! said:

---

Urban Ag said:

---

Rapier108 said:

---

Pluralizes Everythings said:

---

Rapier108 said:

---

Oh here we go again.

The anti-vaxxers have a new thread to tell everyone we'd be better off with everything from tetanus to smallpox running amok.

---

Labeling a group anti vax, that isn't anti vax isn't smart.

How many Amish communities have tetanus & smallpox issues?

I'm not saying that way of living is right for everyone, but your argument is just petulent.

---

The bacteria which causes Tetanus is everywhere. The vaccine provides protection again the toxin it produces so unless they have had the tetanus vaccine, they can get the paralysis form of it if they get the bacteria into an open wound.

Smallpox thankfully was eradicated save the samples at the CDC and Russia's VECTOR.

Things like polio and measles are still out there, and we'll likely start seeing more of it because of Biden's open border invasion

You can call me petulant all you want, but people who want to go back to a time before vaccines are insane.

And again, I am not talking about the WuFlu crap. That is an issue all its own.

---

This. Unlike libs, I actually follow the science. I am very much pro vaccine. The vast majority of our vaccines were developed and manufactured by US companies and provided to the public after years, in some cases decades, of study. I too do not want to go back. My father spent eight months of his childhood paralyzed from the waste down from Polio.

I get the boosters for what I believe is necessary and logical. I pass on the flu vaccine because I'm not scared of getting the flu. I'm not vaxxed for HPV because as a faithful married man I have no need. I did get shingles once and it really sucked and I'll probably start getting that vax, need to have that talk with one of my docs. You get the point.

Covid vaccines are experimental. Not letting that sh** touch my sons. No way. Both of my boys got Covid and their worst symptom was boredom. Why would we vaccinate kids for that?

---

The shingles vax is a 1 time jab. It hurts less than the Pneumonia vax.

---

Two. And a lot of people feel terrible after the second shot.

Yea. I don't know about that. We do business with many Amish families in NW. Arkansas and Southern MO. They are good friends.
They do various fund raisers during the year to have money set back for medical treatments etc.
One family that has built some cabinets for me has had three sons die and two who eventually will from MS.
One family who trains horses had a child with cancer. Also know of one man whose dad died of cancer.
They have health issues too but don't talk much about it. They have their remedies and treatments but they use doctors as well.
We have had great experiences with them and they work hard..... you have to earn their trust to be friends with them though. Once you do they will help you... but not for free.

Not for me it didn't. Shingles shot made me hurt and feel bad Never knew I had the Pneumonia one afterwards. All people are different.

Yes,I had the 2 jab booster, now there is a new & improved 1 jab. You know that new & improved shot!