Brittmoore Car Club said:

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I will never discount the evil nature of the CIA, or the heinous atrocities they have committed, domestically and abroad. But did this guy really just claim that Ice Cube didn't write the lyrics to the NWA songs? That the CIA did? Or at the very least sat down with him and told him to write about police brutality, not giving in to gold diggers, bragging about their hood etc?

That is a VERY bold claim. So Ice Cube and all of his former band mates KNOW THIS and have kept this secret all along. And the CIA trusted them to keep this secret?

I don't know man...

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It also kind of requires the CIA to be incredibly ahead of their time musically, somehow hearing this new sound and knowing it can take the world by storm, scouting out totally unknown artists and somehow picking out the ones capable of innovating and fostering this style to the point that it explodes on to the national and world stages, becoming a defining force in global popular culture for decades. I don't buy it.

If you told me that they raised up or put down certain movements in the fine art world or something, I'd buy that. There are like 75 people who own prominent galleries in the major western art capitals. And those people are already adjacent to the kind of Ivy League aristocrats who have always been recruited by the CIA. But are those same guys going to hear the rap music in the 80s and decide they can totally reshape the zeitgeist by getting some guys from SoCal to do the same thing but make the lyrics about gangbanging and life in the hood? Nah. Gonna need to see a mountain of proof before I'm buying that.

Old McDonald said:

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the CIA is also pumping hormones into our seed oils to make us all trans

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Is that what they mean by "trans-fats"?

This is even dumber than the conspiracy theory about Crack Cocaine being introduced by the CIA to kill AAs.

Did OP party with Hunter on the 4th? Guess the CIA worked with Willie Nelson to promote weed smoking as well

TheEternalPessimist said:

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I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.

https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.html

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This post is also a litmus test

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

The goal was to kill rock music, a pillar of American culture. Behind the scenes record labels were turning away new rock music and promoting awful rap/pop music. Many rock artists have spoken about this. Overnight rock artists were effectively unemployed aside from major bands

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

If you're wondering why there's little new rock music even now. Barriers are still in place. The demand is off the charts. Labels/agencies won't back it. MGK is a good example, when he wanted to produce his punk rock album with Travis Barker, his label said no.

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

https://t.co/x4ojH5dVgK

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

I am convinced it was as well.

Oh my god I can't believe that was an unironic call to rebuild to the glorious height of our civilization, Creed performing ridiculous halftime shows. RETVRN to butt rock.

And generic 2000s butt rock wasn't killed off by hip-hop it was killed off by the garage rock revival and the ensuing indie rock explosion. Puddle of Mudd and Creed and Nickelback gave way to the Strokes and The White Stripes and such.

These conspiracies are always out there. And the wilder ones are mostly just that. But it doesn't help when the government colludes with big tech to censor speech. It doesn't help when the Clintons colluded with Bloodworth-Thomason to insert pro-DNC bits in the scripts for Designing Women. It doesn't help when former intelligence leaders lie about Hunter's laptop to tip the election.

etc. etc. etc.

The OP is a CIA psy-op lmao

As a whole, you can't tell me there hasn't been an effort to neuter mainstream music in recent years. There is no longer "Ass kicking" music in any genre. In the past, it didn't matter if you were listening to rap, rock, or country, there was music that questioned government, supported masculinity, etc. That has all been neutered. There's no NWA, Limp Bizkit, Hank Jr. etc. It's all love songs and brain dead cheesy crap. To the point that Id be surprised if the government wasn't fully involved in keeping things mellow.

Taylor Swift's current tour is being estimated by some to eventually gross as much as $1.4 billion.

Yes, you read that right - $1.4 BILLION

You'll never be able to convince me that this is anything short of a government psy-op conspiracy that makes 81 million votes look like an Eagle Scout project.

Nanomachines son said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.

https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.html

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This post is also a litmus test

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

The goal was to kill rock music, a pillar of American culture. Behind the scenes record labels were turning away new rock music and promoting awful rap/pop music. Many rock artists have spoken about this. Overnight rock artists were effectively unemployed aside from major bands

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

If you're wondering why there's little new rock music even now. Barriers are still in place. The demand is off the charts. Labels/agencies won't back it. MGK is a good example, when he wanted to produce his punk rock album with Travis Barker, his label said no.

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

https://t.co/x4ojH5dVgK

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

I am convinced it was as well.

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This is idiotic. When the first music video from Nirvana came out, rock was DRT. Then Pearl jam.

Grunge connected with genx like nothing before. Seeing Kurt Cobain in flannel felt real. The rock bands with long hair and makeup and formulated slow rock ballads suddenly seemed a little fake and embarrassing. Everyone remembers when they saw Nirvana for the first time.

As a bonus. The only rock band that held on through that time was Metallica. why? They cut their hair and adapted their music. They were called sell outs by all the hair bands.

Nanomachines son said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.

https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.html

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This post is also a litmus test

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

The goal was to kill rock music, a pillar of American culture. Behind the scenes record labels were turning away new rock music and promoting awful rap/pop music. Many rock artists have spoken about this. Overnight rock artists were effectively unemployed aside from major bands

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

If you're wondering why there's little new rock music even now. Barriers are still in place. The demand is off the charts. Labels/agencies won't back it. MGK is a good example, when he wanted to produce his punk rock album with Travis Barker, his label said no.

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

https://t.co/x4ojH5dVgK

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

I am convinced it was as well.

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lol I don't need the CIA to tell me that Nickelback sucks.

Nanomachines son said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.

https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.html

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This post is also a litmus test

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

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I still cannot imagine watching this video and reacting with anything other than laughter at the utter ridiculousness of it and a vague sense of embarrassment for having lived through that moment in popular culture.

And you guys being out of sync with what's popular with The Kids These Days can possibly be explained in ways other than "the CIA did this to make me feel alienated."

Actual Talking Thermos said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.

https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.html

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This post is also a litmus test

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

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I still cannot imagine watching this video and reacting with anything other than laughter at the utter ridiculousness of it and a vague sense of embarrassment for having lived through that moment in popular culture.

And you guys being out of sync with what's popular with The Kids These Days can possibly be explained in ways other than "the CIA did this to make me feel alienated."

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The cowboys have won two playoff games since that moment.

How has Redstone not chimed in yet?

Well, I have thoughts.

First, the baseline premise:

It is indisputable and proven that CIA as well as the wholly unaccountable "security state" - where plenty of black box budgets have been present - has and does do things such as this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/cuban-hip-hop-scene-infiltrated-us-information-youth

Second, we have many testimonies, and much symbolism, with commonalities across time and environment. I would subscribe to Vigilant Citizen for thousands of examples.

Assume liars, LARPers, grifters, ect. Still, a lot remains.

Therefore, anyone who dismisses undue governmental influence out of hand simply needs to take the time and actually look.

No hip-hop is too racist even by CIA standards.

Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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Hip Hop is a CIA psy-op.

Really?

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The CIA meddles with movies and social media consistently. Why is it a stretch to think they would do the same in music?

numetalbizkitaggie said:

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Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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Hip Hop is a CIA psy-op.

Really?

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The CIA meddles with movies and social media consistently. Why is it a stretch to think they would do the same in music?

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Because the notion is ridiculous in idea, reasoning and execution.

It's hilarious that left feared and hated the cia (and corporations and pharma) forever, but now the whole thing has flipped.

And I gotta agree with the nickeback stuff. They're not bad. It's like the hate just came out of nowhere.

Actual Talking Thermos said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.

https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.html

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This post is also a litmus test

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

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I still cannot imagine watching this video and reacting with anything other than laughter at the utter ridiculousness of it and a vague sense of embarrassment for having lived through that moment in popular culture.

And you guys being out of sync with what's popular with The Kids These Days can possibly be explained in ways other than "the CIA did this to make me feel alienated."

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Everyone remembers Creed, does anyone remember any of the popular rappers from that era? Barely anyone does because the music was forgettable. It's far worse nowadays where pop music (this is what rap is nowadays) is horrific and no one remembers any song more than 1 year old.

Rock remains the most popular concert genre by a huge margin (they separate classic rock from rock to downplay rock's popularity but when combined they massively eclipse everything else). It's not close at all.

https://financebuzz.com/price-of-concert-tickets-by-genre

The fact that rock music is still this popular yet music companies refuse to push it says everything you need to know. They are trying to minimize it's influence.

numetalbizkitaggie said:

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Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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Hip Hop is a CIA psy-op.

Really?

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The CIA meddles with movies and social media consistently. Why is it a stretch to think they would do the same in music?

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My big gripe is they don't let me participate in the meddling. George Lucas would have never released those stupid prequels if I had my way.

Or at least Jar Jar would have been cut entirely.

Nanomachines son said:

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.

https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.html

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This post is also a litmus test

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

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I still cannot imagine watching this video and reacting with anything other than laughter at the utter ridiculousness of it and a vague sense of embarrassment for having lived through that moment in popular culture.

And you guys being out of sync with what's popular with The Kids These Days can possibly be explained in ways other than "the CIA did this to make me feel alienated."

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Everyone remembers Creed, does anyone remember any of the popular rappers from that era? Barely anyone does because the music was forgettable. It's far worse nowadays where pop music (this is what rap is nowadays) is horrific and no one remembers any song more than 1 year old.

Rock remains the most popular concert genre by a huge margin (they separate classic rock from rock to downplay rock's popularity but when combined they massively eclipse everything else). It's not close at all.

https://financebuzz.com/price-of-concert-tickets-by-genre

The fact that rock music is still this popular yet music companies refuse to push it says everything you need to know. They are trying to minimize it's influence.

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Eminem, Jay-Z, Biggie, Tupac, Snoop Dogg, OutKast, basically every famous Houston rapper, I could go on?

Post-grunge rock pretty much sucked. All of those bands, (Creed, Hinder, Seether, Buckcherry, daughtry etc) became corporatized BS that was killed by rap music getting real production value for the first time. The counter culture that had fled to rock turned to rap music as the alternative.

The only rock band that I would consider in the same sub-genre of post grunge rock as creed that had staying power were the Chili Peppers and the Foo Fighters. You could make an argument for Weezer.

The pop-punk that became mainstream after was the dying breath of counter culture rock being popular.

To the people that say Rock is still popular, is it?

I love rock and metal. But I am also not in the age group that advertisers typically target. The target age groups might like Rock but not in the way previous generations do.

One thing I do find comforting is my favorite music isn't being used to push Pepsi, or the Toyota Prius. So at least there is that.

You can't dance to rock music. That's why it fell out of pop culture. it's fun to listen to in the car, but at any party or club kids are gonna play hip-hop and rap.

Zarathustra said:

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You can't dance to rock music. That's why it fell out of pop culture. it's fun to listen to in the car, but at any party or club kids are gonna play hip-hop and rap.

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Not saying any of that is wrong. But the current generation of young people are less likely to go to bars and clubs than previous generations. They also drink less and smoke more weed. They are the stay at home generation.

Madman said:

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To the people that say Rock is still popular, is it?

I love rock and metal. But I am also not in the age group that advertisers typically target. The target age groups might like Rock but not in the way previous generations do.

One thing I do find comforting is my favorite music isn't being used to push Pepsi, or the Toyota Prius. So at least there is that.

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I just posted evidence that rock is more popular than all other genres by far when you do concert tickets sold and total sales. They have to separate rock into two categories just so it's not hilariously above everything else.

Zarathustra said:

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You can't dance to rock music. That's why it fell out of pop culture. it's fun to listen to in the car, but at any party or club kids are gonna play hip-hop and rap.

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It never fell out of pop culture, it fell out of favor by the RIAA because it wasn't subversive and was a genre of music liked mostly by whites. Despite their efforts it remains by far the most popular genre of music for concerts.

Nanomachines son said:

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Madman said:

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To the people that say Rock is still popular, is it?

I love rock and metal. But I am also not in the age group that advertisers typically target. The target age groups might like Rock but not in the way previous generations do.

One thing I do find comforting is my favorite music isn't being used to push Pepsi, or the Toyota Prius. So at least there is that.

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I just posted evidence that rock is more popular than all other genres by far when you do concert tickets sold and total sales. They have to separate rock into two categories just so it's not hilariously above everything else.

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Young people don't leave the house. Just saying that ticket sales might not be a good metric of what is popular with young people.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.

https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.html

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This post is also a litmus test

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

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I still cannot imagine watching this video and reacting with anything other than laughter at the utter ridiculousness of it and a vague sense of embarrassment for having lived through that moment in popular culture.

And you guys being out of sync with what's popular with The Kids These Days can possibly be explained in ways other than "the CIA did this to make me feel alienated."

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Everyone remembers Creed, does anyone remember any of the popular rappers from that era? Barely anyone does because the music was forgettable. It's far worse nowadays where pop music (this is what rap is nowadays) is horrific and no one remembers any song more than 1 year old.

Rock remains the most popular concert genre by a huge margin (they separate classic rock from rock to downplay rock's popularity but when combined they massively eclipse everything else). It's not close at all.

https://financebuzz.com/price-of-concert-tickets-by-genre

The fact that rock music is still this popular yet music companies refuse to push it says everything you need to know. They are trying to minimize it's influence.

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Eminem, Jay-Z, Biggie, Tupac, Snoop Dogg, OutKast, basically every famous Houston rapper, I could go on?

Post-grunge rock pretty much sucked. All of those bands, (Creed, Hinder, Seether, Buckcherry, daughtry etc) became corporatized BS that was killed by rap music getting real production value for the first time. The counter culture that had fled to rock turned to rap music as the alternative.

The only rock band that I would consider in the same sub-genre of post grunge rock as creed that had staying power were the Chili Peppers and the Foo Fighters. You could make an argument for Weezer.

The pop-punk that became mainstream after was the dying breath of counter culture rock being popular.

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Post grunge is what the industry used to try and say rock sucked. If you notice, all of the post grunge bands had a great first album and then became increasingly pop. That was by design and then they helped spread the meme that these bands sucked so they could push hip hop instead.

They wanted music to be subversive and break a form of culture that was considered near 100% white. They have tried to do it to country and almost succeeded with bro country but it failed. Nashville keeps trying to push it away from its redneck and white roots but no one is buying it and artists that insult the base are ostracized.

Madman said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Madman said:

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To the people that say Rock is still popular, is it?

I love rock and metal. But I am also not in the age group that advertisers typically target. The target age groups might like Rock but not in the way previous generations do.

One thing I do find comforting is my favorite music isn't being used to push Pepsi, or the Toyota Prius. So at least there is that.

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I just posted evidence that rock is more popular than all other genres by far when you do concert tickets sold and total sales. They have to separate rock into two categories just so it's not hilariously above everything else.

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Young people don't leave the house. Just saying that ticket sales might not be a good metric of what is popular with young people.

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From what I can gather among Gen Z, rock is exploding again. Many of the kids are coming back to it thanks to Tik Tok exposing them to it.

Nanomachines son said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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TheEternalPessimist said:

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I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.

https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.html

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This post is also a litmus test

— Aesthetica (@Anc_Aesthetics) July 5, 2023

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I still cannot imagine watching this video and reacting with anything other than laughter at the utter ridiculousness of it and a vague sense of embarrassment for having lived through that moment in popular culture.

And you guys being out of sync with what's popular with The Kids These Days can possibly be explained in ways other than "the CIA did this to make me feel alienated."

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Everyone remembers Creed, does anyone remember any of the popular rappers from that era? Barely anyone does because the music was forgettable. It's far worse nowadays where pop music (this is what rap is nowadays) is horrific and no one remembers any song more than 1 year old.

Rock remains the most popular concert genre by a huge margin (they separate classic rock from rock to downplay rock's popularity but when combined they massively eclipse everything else). It's not close at all.

https://financebuzz.com/price-of-concert-tickets-by-genre

The fact that rock music is still this popular yet music companies refuse to push it says everything you need to know. They are trying to minimize it's influence.

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Eminem, Jay-Z, Biggie, Tupac, Snoop Dogg, OutKast, basically every famous Houston rapper, I could go on?

Post-grunge rock pretty much sucked. All of those bands, (Creed, Hinder, Seether, Buckcherry, daughtry etc) became corporatized BS that was killed by rap music getting real production value for the first time. The counter culture that had fled to rock turned to rap music as the alternative.

The only rock band that I would consider in the same sub-genre of post grunge rock as creed that had staying power were the Chili Peppers and the Foo Fighters. You could make an argument for Weezer.

The pop-punk that became mainstream after was the dying breath of counter culture rock being popular.

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Post grunge is what the industry used to try and say rock sucked. If you notice, all of the post grunge bands had a great first album and then became increasingly pop. That was by design and then they helped spread the meme that these bands sucked so they could push hip hop instead.

They wanted music to be subversive and break a form of culture that was considered near 100% white. They have tried to do it to country and almost succeeded with bro country but it failed. Nashville keeps trying to push it away from its redneck and white roots but no one is buying it and artists that insult the base are ostracized.

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There is a great video I will try to find on why modern rock "feels" different. The short answer is a few correction tools commonly used now suck the emotion out of the music. Every drummer sounds the same when every drummer is literally in perfect time. Every singer sounds the same when everything is pitch corrected. Etc. The industry didn't understand that the small imperfections is where the magic lived.

And I really think that is true. I have heard versions of Patsy Cline for example pitch and tempo corrected to perfect and it sucks.

Imagine this pitch perfect and tempo corrected.



It would be terrible.