OT - this is the exact reason that I'm mostly a college sports fan vs the professional leagues. It's the imperfections that make it interesting for me. When everybody is as good as it gets it gets boring real fast.Quote:
The industry didn't understand that the small imperfections is where the magic lived.
Madman said:Nanomachines son said:Definitely Not A Cop said:Nanomachines son said:Actual Talking Thermos said:I still cannot imagine watching this video and reacting with anything other than laughter at the utter ridiculousness of it and a vague sense of embarrassment for having lived through that moment in popular culture.Nanomachines son said:TheEternalPessimist said:
I watched this video and have mixed thoughts on it.
https://rumble.com/v2x2ogf-cia-agent-admits-hip-hop-was-a-psy-op-designed-to-corrupt-the-youth-and-sow.htmlThis post is also a litmus test
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And you guys being out of sync with what's popular with The Kids These Days can possibly be explained in ways other than "the CIA did this to make me feel alienated."
Everyone remembers Creed, does anyone remember any of the popular rappers from that era? Barely anyone does because the music was forgettable. It's far worse nowadays where pop music (this is what rap is nowadays) is horrific and no one remembers any song more than 1 year old.
Rock remains the most popular concert genre by a huge margin (they separate classic rock from rock to downplay rock's popularity but when combined they massively eclipse everything else). It's not close at all.
https://financebuzz.com/price-of-concert-tickets-by-genre
The fact that rock music is still this popular yet music companies refuse to push it says everything you need to know. They are trying to minimize it's influence.
Eminem, Jay-Z, Biggie, Tupac, Snoop Dogg, OutKast, basically every famous Houston rapper, I could go on?
Post-grunge rock pretty much sucked. All of those bands, (Creed, Hinder, Seether, Buckcherry, daughtry etc) became corporatized BS that was killed by rap music getting real production value for the first time. The counter culture that had fled to rock turned to rap music as the alternative.
The only rock band that I would consider in the same sub-genre of post grunge rock as creed that had staying power were the Chili Peppers and the Foo Fighters. You could make an argument for Weezer.
The pop-punk that became mainstream after was the dying breath of counter culture rock being popular.
Post grunge is what the industry used to try and say rock sucked. If you notice, all of the post grunge bands had a great first album and then became increasingly pop. That was by design and then they helped spread the meme that these bands sucked so they could push hip hop instead.
They wanted music to be subversive and break a form of culture that was considered near 100% white. They have tried to do it to country and almost succeeded with bro country but it failed. Nashville keeps trying to push it away from its redneck and white roots but no one is buying it and artists that insult the base are ostracized.
There is a great video I will try to find on why modern rock "feels" different. The short answer is a few correction tools commonly used now suck the emotion out of the music. Every drummer sounds the same when every drummer is literally in perfect time. Every singer sounds the same when everything is pitch corrected. Etc. The industry didn't understand that the small imperfections is where the magic lived.
And I really think that is true. I have heard versions of Patsy Cline for example pitch and tempo corrected to perfect and it sucks.
That would be great. A challenge to overcome is that rock and metal are so fractured now into sub genres its maybe impossible for a single group to rise to the level of an AC/DC or similar. So the same amount of interest spread over many more bands. Tough to sell out a stadium with that reality.Nanomachines son said:Madman said:Young people don't leave the house. Just saying that ticket sales might not be a good metric of what is popular with young people.Nanomachines son said:Madman said:
To the people that say Rock is still popular, is it?
I love rock and metal. But I am also not in the age group that advertisers typically target. The target age groups might like Rock but not in the way previous generations do.
One thing I do find comforting is my favorite music isn't being used to push Pepsi, or the Toyota Prius. So at least there is that.
I just posted evidence that rock is more popular than all other genres by far when you do concert tickets sold and total sales. They have to separate rock into two categories just so it's not hilariously above everything else.
From what I can gather among Gen Z, rock is exploding again. Many of the kids are coming back to it thanks to Tik Tok exposing them to it.
Madman said:That would be great. A challenge to overcome is that rock and metal are so fractured now into sub genres its maybe impossible for a single group to rise to the level of an AC/DC or similar. So the same amount of interest spread over many more bands. Tough to sell out a stadium with that reality.Nanomachines son said:Madman said:Young people don't leave the house. Just saying that ticket sales might not be a good metric of what is popular with young people.Nanomachines son said:Madman said:
To the people that say Rock is still popular, is it?
I love rock and metal. But I am also not in the age group that advertisers typically target. The target age groups might like Rock but not in the way previous generations do.
One thing I do find comforting is my favorite music isn't being used to push Pepsi, or the Toyota Prius. So at least there is that.
I just posted evidence that rock is more popular than all other genres by far when you do concert tickets sold and total sales. They have to separate rock into two categories just so it's not hilariously above everything else.
From what I can gather among Gen Z, rock is exploding again. Many of the kids are coming back to it thanks to Tik Tok exposing them to it.
And I am guilty of this. I know the tiny categories I like in metal for example. Its why most of these bands can't headline a stadium. The best they can do is play the main stage at a festival.
Gen Z rock had kind of a big moment from the early-mid 2010s until Covid. The DIY scene/ethos took hold and it had tons of young people forming bands and putting on shows in basements and churches and little clubs and wherever they could, getting excited and inspired by each other just as much as the rock music of yesteryear. A few bands that emerged from there are still standing.Nanomachines son said:Madman said:Young people don't leave the house. Just saying that ticket sales might not be a good metric of what is popular with young people.Nanomachines son said:Madman said:
To the people that say Rock is still popular, is it?
I love rock and metal. But I am also not in the age group that advertisers typically target. The target age groups might like Rock but not in the way previous generations do.
One thing I do find comforting is my favorite music isn't being used to push Pepsi, or the Toyota Prius. So at least there is that.
I just posted evidence that rock is more popular than all other genres by far when you do concert tickets sold and total sales. They have to separate rock into two categories just so it's not hilariously above everything else.
From what I can gather among Gen Z, rock is exploding again. Many of the kids are coming back to it thanks to Tik Tok exposing them to it.
