Everything bad our government does (which is a lot) involves psyops on the American people. This is my default position- until proven otherwise.

They have themselves to blame for my lack of any trust.

Sid Farkas said:

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Everything bad our government does (which is a lot) involves psyops on the American people. This is my default position- until proven otherwise.

They have themselves to blame for my lack of any trust.

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H.R.5736 - 112th Congress (2011-2012): Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act, contained within the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013, eased some restrictions so that media produced by the U.S. Agency for Global Media and intended for foreign audiences could be distributed domestically upon request, according to its text. Prior to its passage, the content was banned from being disseminated in America.

Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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I could see a co-opting of Hip Hop, but there have been some amazing artists just expressing their experiences and thoughts. But the genre went from telling stories to championing the seven deadly sins in such short order, I wouldn't be surprised if the feds put their thumb on the scale (ex. paying for certain songs to get played more / less).

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Because it sold, literally, to tens of millions of HS and college aged suburban kids who found it edgy. I was one of them. So were just about all my friends. Similar to band like Pantera, Metallica, and RATM.

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I'm not saying there wasn't reason, but take a look at "country" radio: it's a business that doesn't GAF about the "music" it produces. Cody Jinks gets snubs for snap tracks because the people pulling the strings are making decisions off of spreadsheets and don't have a clue what music is good or not.

Lots of folks are listening to inferior music as we speak because of established business models that aren't meritocratic.

So could someone get songs into kids ears and $ from their pockets because they're financially incentivized to push an artist or type of content? It's happening every day.

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I agree...but My Christian conservative buddies are still listening to 90's era gangster rap, grunge rock, and cheesy 80's hits on the golf course every time we get together. I think that stuff was really selling, organically.

Regardless of whether that is the case or not...I don't think there is any way the CIA had direct involvement in creating or producing this music, as seems to be the claim in the OP. Now do they know some influencers at radio stations? Do they know some record execs? Maybe.

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Same page. The claims about government in the video are far fetched. Government is generally very bad at art, talent, creativity, etc. But it can be effective at amplifying & suppressing things which are burgeoning.

agent-maroon said:

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It was never about the sound of the music?

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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I will never discount the evil nature of the CIA, or the heinous atrocities they have committed, domestically and abroad. But did this guy really just claim that Ice Cube didn't write the lyrics to the NWA songs? That the CIA did? Or at the very least sat down with him and told him to write about police brutality, not giving in to gold diggers, bragging about their hood etc?

That is a VERY bold claim. So Ice Cube and all of his former band mates KNOW THIS and have kept this secret all along. And the CIA trusted them to keep this secret?

I don't know man...

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There is a theory that the CIA wrote Winds of Change by Scorpion as well. No proof that it happened except shadowy figures making vague claims.

Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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Nope, not boosted. Just a skeptic of most conspiracy theories. We landed on the moon and the Earth is a sphere, BTW.

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Using the ol Confirmation Bias Fallacy, well no "conspiracy theories can be true, because moon landing sphere earth???? This is very weak.

The CIA Coined the phrase to deter suspicions away from the Warren Report.

From at least the 17th century to the 1950s, conspiracy theories were a widely accepted way of understanding the world and often the official versions of events. They were articulated by elites and usually targeted external enemies or subversives who were allegedly trying to undermine the state. It was only during the late 1950s and early 1960s that conspiracy theories started to become a stigmatised way of explaining big events.

One side-effect of this move from the mainstream to the margins of society was that conspiracy theories started to primarily target societal and political elites. They are no longer concerned with alleged plots against the state but with those orchestrated by the state.

Another side-effect of this new stigma was that the label conspiracy theory or theorist became a pejorative term. The Kennedy assassination was the first major instance in which conspiracy theorists accused the state of secretly plotting evil and provided alternative accounts that were then labelled conspiracy theories, as in the 1967 CIA document. So it is hardly surprising that conspiracy theorists who blame events on the intentional actions of evil people retrospectively see the emergence of the term as a deliberate attempt to uphold the official version of the Kennedy assassination.

Nope, just making fun of two of the most ridiculous conspiracy claims (along with 9/11 truthers)..which more people than you may think actually buy into once they get into conspiracy culture.

Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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I could see a co-opting of Hip Hop, but there have been some amazing artists just expressing their experiences and thoughts. But the genre went from telling stories to championing the seven deadly sins in such short order, I wouldn't be surprised if the feds put their thumb on the scale (ex. paying for certain songs to get played more / less).

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Because it sold, literally, to tens of millions of HS and college aged suburban kids who found it edgy. I was one of them. So were just about all my friends. Similar to band like Pantera, Metallica, and RATM.

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Wait until we find out that Marshall Mathers is a GS-15.

'Wind of Change' Podcast Explores CIA Influence During the Cold War Rolling Stone

The biggest consumers of gangsta rap were white suburbanites.

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Eazy E, Ice Cube, Dr Dre were just feds all along

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Nipsey Hussle was on the govt. payroll so...

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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I could see a co-opting of Hip Hop, but there have been some amazing artists just expressing their experiences and thoughts. But the genre went from telling stories to championing the seven deadly sins in such short order, I wouldn't be surprised if the feds put their thumb on the scale (ex. paying for certain songs to get played more / less).

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Because it sold, literally, to tens of millions of HS and college aged suburban kids who found it edgy. I was one of them. So were just about all my friends. Similar to band like Pantera, Metallica, and RATM.

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RATM, where 1.5 years ago, you needed a face diaper and proof of vaccination and booster to attend their show. Way to stick it to the MAN! Way to not trust Big Brother and the Machine!

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Tom Morello is the biggest half-Kenyan racist not named Barack Obama.

I am simply saying stop Blindly following the herd, throw away the shackles of your Prussian Rockefeller education, get off your fox/msnbc/bbc mainstream talk track agenda driven sources, and look into things on your own.

You've been reduced to a track one size fits all way of thinking and I hope your happy with that outcome.

I want to know which agent is responsible for auto-tune, 'cause I want to punch them in the throat.

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It was never about the sound of the music? That would provide clarity and explain a LOT of the previously incomprehensible popularity of the rap & hip/hop genres

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It doesn't exist if the CIA hasn't comingled with it. Their reach is boundless and their abuse has no limits.

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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I will never discount the evil nature of the CIA, or the heinous atrocities they have committed, domestically and abroad. But did this guy really just claim that Ice Cube didn't write the lyrics to the NWA songs? That the CIA did? Or at the very least sat down with him and told him to write about police brutality, not giving in to gold diggers, bragging about their hood etc?

That is a VERY bold claim. So Ice Cube and all of his former band mates KNOW THIS and have kept this secret all along. And the CIA trusted them to keep this secret?

I don't know man...

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There is a theory that the CIA wrote Winds of Change by Scorpion as well. No proof that it happened except shadowy figures making vague claims.

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First I've heard of this but, I just rewatched the music video and the imagery has more to do with the liberation of Kuwait than it does the falling of the Berlin Wall and German reunification.

Unfortunately the only tanks in the video are Chinese. The American combat vehicle featured is an M113.

Mili Vanili had to be a Psy-Op...

Sid Farkas said:

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Everything bad our government does (which is a lot) involves psyops on the American people. This is my default position- until proven otherwise.

They have themselves to blame for my lack of any trust.

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This is actually by design. Watch the documentary 1971 about the FBI. The FBI had infiltrated school teachers, scout troops, protests, and letters to the editors of local newspapers.

The most disturbing part is that they WANTED everyone think that there was an FBI agent behind every corner. Make people sound like crazy conspiracy theorists so you can easily dismiss them.

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It was never about the sound of the music? That would provide clarity and explain a LOT of the previously incomprehensible popularity of the rap & hip/hop genres

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Hold on a dog gone minute! The Sound of Music was one of the best musicals ever produced...whether it was by the CIA or not.

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Eazy E, Ice Cube, Dr Dre were just feds all along

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Dre got set up pretty well later in life but NWA was probably too soft for a Fed operation. 2 Live Crew's As Nasty as They Wanna Be album on the other hand could the kind of mainstream degeneracy the feds might be interested in promoting.

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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I could see a co-opting of Hip Hop, but there have been some amazing artists just expressing their experiences and thoughts. But the genre went from telling stories to championing the seven deadly sins in such short order, I wouldn't be surprised if the feds put their thumb on the scale (ex. paying for certain songs to get played more / less).

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Because it sold, literally, to tens of millions of HS and college aged suburban kids who found it edgy. I was one of them. So were just about all my friends. Similar to band like Pantera, Metallica, and RATM.

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RATM, where 1.5 years ago, you needed a face diaper and proof of vaccination and booster to attend their show. Way to stick it to the MAN! Way to not trust Big Brother and the Machine!

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Yep...insert "F you, do what they tell you!" meme. Weak, obedient commie stooges.

I still love most of their music and channel it internally much differently than they intended. Like the exact opposite. Great workout music too.

Well, they brought in crack and aids..

RATM is the postage child for American marxism. Rage against the corporate and government machine…until they push what you support.

I still like their music and consider it a revolt against the status quo.

Wouldn't this just be an extension of the cocaine/crack stuff they "did"

They might not have made the music, but they could easily help it gain popularity... and in the process gain a lot money and virtue signaling.

Not only does it seem pretty plausible... sounds exactly like the swamps preferred game plan.

The video has nothing to do with the conspiracy. Scorpion is huge in Europe and their music had been snuck into the USSR for years.

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Not a psy-op. Just a lifestyle. That stuff is all still there, it's just not promoted on a mainstream level anymore. The psy-op is that they don't want the majority of voters to know that lifestyle even exists. It hurts the narrative.

Lots of local events.

https://www.facebook.com/1297323709/posts/pfbid09XuHqc7xBWqi94555eh9PgSiLhvnGVwm9NgX8rPfqkJ324Mm2246FQfpSXyRenY8l/?mibextid=SDPelY

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Sorry, what lifestyle are you referring to? Not on FB.

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Hold on a dog gone minute! The Sound of Music was one of the best musicals ever produced...whether it was by the CIA or not.

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You're probably right and I'm going to suffer in the afterlife for thinking this way, but this was my psycho ex-wife's favorite movie and I freaking HATE it for that reason. I can't even look at a SOM meme without my face twitching a little...

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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I could see a co-opting of Hip Hop, but there have been some amazing artists just expressing their experiences and thoughts. But the genre went from telling stories to championing the seven deadly sins in such short order, I wouldn't be surprised if the feds put their thumb on the scale (ex. paying for certain songs to get played more / less).

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Because it sold, literally, to tens of millions of HS and college aged suburban kids who found it edgy. I was one of them. So were just about all my friends. Similar to band like Pantera, Metallica, and RATM.

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RATM, where 1.5 years ago, you needed a face diaper and proof of vaccination and booster to attend their show. Way to stick it to the MAN! Way to not trust Big Brother and the Machine!

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I admit I'm still a huge RATM fan and still play a lot of their songs on both the guitar and my playlist pretty much on a weekly basis but I do chuckle often at their lyrics these days. I always rolled my eyes a bit, even as a teenager, but now it's just hilarious.

Super whiny, rich capitalists with completely childish and ignorant worldviews who don't realize they're actually, themselves, capitalists.

OK!!!!! I believe!

Ice Cube? CIA?

Geddy Lee soul patch said:

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Nope, not boosted. Just a skeptic of most conspiracy theories. We landed on the moon and the Earth is a sphere, BTW.

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Ok, Fedboi!!!

We're not buying any of your propaganda around here.

Pffftt...how could we have landed on the moon when the moon isn't even real? Explain THAT Fedboi!

the CIA is also pumping hormones into our seed oils to make us all trans

i don't have any proof but based on their history can you really trust that they wouldn't do this???

Old McDonald said:

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the CIA is also pumping hormones into our seed oils to make us all trans

i don't have any proof but based on their history can you really trust that they wouldn't do this???

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They were trying that with Bud Light and then someone said the quiet part out loud in a commercial and blew (hehe) their cover...