I'm in public education and have been part of the hiring process for APs and teachers. The group I'm part of have never hired a si gel person who put their pronouns on their resumes but I can only think of a few instances where I've been seen resumes with pronouns on them. Fine arts tends to see more resumes with pronouns, according to folks I've worked with.

Overlooked? Not at all... I always take time to look at them and LMAO knowing they'll never have a worthwhile career while using that garbage.

I have been on a lot of committees that have hired many professionals. These committees receive dozens (hundreds if you count foreign applications) of resumes. There is no way to really "read" these resumes and letters effectively. The best thing is to sort them into "stacks". If you are an applicant, your goal is to move your resume from the large stack (A) to the smaller stack (B), one that can be read and discussed. To do that you need to make your resume as neutral as possible. So no pronouns... Unless you are applying for a diversity coordinator.

bonfarr said:

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The thing Recruiters look for in a candidate after they have decided if the person is qualified is whether they will get along with others and be a good team player.

Adding pronouns to your resume immediately tells the recruiter or hiring manager that this person is going to be a problem and will likely have issues with half our work force. It would be very dumb to expect a resume like that to help you outside of Starbucks or a super woke Silicon Valley org.

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I don't know. I've seen the opposite from multiple F500 client and non-client companies who preach this on the HR side. I have seen this in law firm hiring practices as well (though not my own). I think relegating it to a west coast fad is overly optimistic.

Good. That's a start.

Maybe because having they/them pronouns makes no f****** sense

Major red flag that you would be hiring drama.

Honestly, I can live with he-shes and she-hes but the whole they/them thing bothers me a lot. It is just weird. I mean why not use "it," as it makes more sense than something referring to plural.

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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Resumes including 'they/them' pronouns are more likely to be overlooked, new report finds https://t.co/kpKLPTknOu

— CNBC (@CNBC) July 5, 2023

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Just a guess but its highly likely some are including pronouns on their resumes because they think it'll score them woke points with hiring managers when it seems to be doing the opposite. LOL.

4stringAg said:

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Just a guess but its highly likely some are including pronouns on their resumes because they think it'll score them woke points with hiring managers when it seems to be doing the opposite. LOL.

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I suspect it gets them noticed and put near the top of the stack by places where HR types get first cut at the resumes that are received. But when the resumes are reviewed by somebody who actually has to use the candidate in question to accomplish something, those resumes likely get ditched right off the bat

There was a post about sales meetings on zoom calls. Can you ask the employee to not put the mentally ill language by their real name or does that violate some sort of law?

AgResearch said:

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Any resume with ANY pronouns listed is immediate garbage can.

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If the "pronouns" were "Damn you" and "You *******", I might take a look.

doubledog said:

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I have been on a lot of committees that have hired many professionals. These committees receive dozens (hundreds if you count foreign applications) of resumes. There is no way to really "read" these resumes and letters effectively. The best thing is to sort them into "stacks". If you are an applicant, your goal is to move your resume from the large stack (A) to the smaller stack (B), one that can be read and discussed. To do that you need to make your resume as neutral as possible. So no pronouns... Unless you are applying for a diversity coordinator.

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Is dozens supposed to be a lot?

Screening out applicants based on pronouns is also a really good way to get your company into legal trouble in something like half of the country since many state specifically outlaw this.

a resume with pronouns is a non starter at our shop

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Of course they are

Why would you hire someone who outright tells you they're going to spend more time in HR and legal causing problems for you than actually working?

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I am going to state this not as a belief as I think that the reality of it is somewhat abhorrent, but 25 years ago people would have referred to the "they/them" crowd as black. 50 years ago they were called female.

Truth is activism and business are not good bedfellows, no matter when and how the game is played. The term "business" is about making money.

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doubledog said:

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I have been on a lot of committees that have hired many professionals. These committees receive dozens (hundreds if you count foreign applications) of resumes. There is no way to really "read" these resumes and letters effectively. The best thing is to sort them into "stacks". If you are an applicant, your goal is to move your resume from the large stack (A) to the smaller stack (B), one that can be read and discussed. To do that you need to make your resume as neutral as possible. So no pronouns... Unless you are applying for a diversity coordinator.

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Is dozens supposed to be a lot?

Screening out applicants based on pronouns is also a really good way to get your company into legal trouble in something like half of the country since many state specifically outlaw this.

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Lol, yeah I'm sure he tells people he's cutting the mentality ill by filtering by pronouns.

Half the country doesn't have these laws. Complete bull*****

Ag87H2O said:

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Using pronouns should rate the same as colored hair. You know they are left, and likely stir fried crazy. Individuals that are gung-ho self identifiers are the worst.

Stay far away.

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What would you say are the main "stay away" self identifiers?

Colored hair, noise rings, comfortable shoes, no adam's apple?

The problem I have with pronouns is the bad grammar him creates.

Cobra39

CNBC tweet is incorrect. They are not being overlooked, they are being ignored.

'They/them'. I only had budget to hire one person though. Not multiple.

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YouBet said:

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Might as well hold a job fair at the local asylum if you hire out that on your resume.

Sort of related...I read an article yesterday that talking about sex and your weekend sexcapades is becoming more normalized in the work place by Gen Z.

Thank god I left corporate.

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I have not witnessed this at all, and we have a lot of young analysts that we interact with constantly. That being said, if this is the case, they are very likely overcompensating, because stats seem to show young people are having LESS sex than ever before.

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That was actually called in the article (WSJ). They want to talk about sex in the workplace yet at the same time they aren't having as much of it compared to all other generations.

No idea how common this is now. I suspect it's only happening in certain types of businesses and locales.

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I didn't "overlook" anything. The resume told me what I needed to know.

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THIS

I actually have an employee that has "he/they" on his profile, and thankfully he's a solid worker that excels in his role and causes no issues. I got worried when he put that, but it's turned into nothing on my end.

Would not take a resume that includes pronouns seriously, though.

The shocking part for me was that the sample control resume with they/them received only 8% less responses from 180 companies.

if the resume passes the pronoun test, next is to check linkedin. dont get duped.

doubledog said:

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I have been on a lot of committees that have hired many professionals. These committees receive dozens (hundreds if you count foreign applications) of resumes. There is no way to really "read" these resumes and letters effectively. The best thing is to sort them into "stacks". If you are an applicant, your goal is to move your resume from the large stack (A) to the smaller stack (B), one that can be read and discussed. To do that you need to make your resume as neutral as possible. So no pronouns... Unless you are applying for a diversity coordinator.

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I work for the state.

When we hire someone, we have to fill out a matrix for every single applicant.
Even if you look at the resume and realize for whatever reason there's no way you're hiring them.

No matrix section for pronouns, though.

We had 47 applicants for our last application and I was running my mouth about having to fill out matrices about everyone. I Found out that the faculty folks normally have closer to 300 so I stopped my *****ing. JFC. I can't imagine having to do that once, let alone often.

But, that's what we get because we are trying to be good stewards of the taxpayer's money!!!

Aggie Jurist said:

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My company just changed it's e-mail signature templates to allow (as an option) the addition of pronouns. As an employment lawyer, I'm expecting to hear complaints shortly. Under no circumstances will there be reference to pronouns in my e-mail signature . . . ever.

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We had a few customers list their preferred pronouns and one of the veterans on my team responded by adding his favorite proteins: beef/pork/chicken…. Brilliant way to attack woke gender culture and PETA types at the same time. No-one called him out but I keep waiting for management to tell him to remove it since it could alienate some of our BSC customers.

That's how the left wins, they choose to fight on battle fields where it's difficult to fight back.

Putting he/him/his or she/her/hers in your bio may be justified for people with gender-misleading first names, like a woman named Billie, or a man named Leslie.

But if I were in such a situation, I'd probably go with the more subtle approach of writing "Mr." or "Ms.", just to avoid the implication of being a transgender activist.

BonfireNerd04 said:

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Putting he/him/his or she/her/hers in your bio may be justified for people with gender-misleading first names, like a woman named Billie, or a man named Leslie.

But if I were in such a situation, I'd probably go with the more subtle approach of writing "Mr." or "Ms.", just to avoid the implication of being a transgender activist.

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good point.

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doubledog said:

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I have been on a lot of committees that have hired many professionals. These committees receive dozens (hundreds if you count foreign applications) of resumes. There is no way to really "read" these resumes and letters effectively. The best thing is to sort them into "stacks". If you are an applicant, your goal is to move your resume from the large stack (A) to the smaller stack (B), one that can be read and discussed. To do that you need to make your resume as neutral as possible. So no pronouns... Unless you are applying for a diversity coordinator.

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Is dozens supposed to be a lot?

Screening out applicants based on pronouns is also a really good way to get your company into legal trouble in something like half of the country since many state specifically outlaw this.

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LOL

4stringAg said:

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Just a guess but its highly likely some are including pronouns on their resumes because they think it'll score them woke points with hiring managers when it seems to be doing the opposite. LOL.

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Then it's a test on intelligence. Either way they're telling the employer very important information to help weed themselves out. It's difficult to ascertain intelligence by a few lines on one piece of paper, but this eliminates a huge percentage that would eventually need to be let go anyway. I'm liking this approach more and more.