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I wouldn't say PTSD is easy to get. I got 30% but that was because of indirect fire and time being a 68W on first deployment. However, it was lowered to 0% after therapy/medication. Could I have milked it for more? Probably. But I hate therapy and actually wanted it treated.

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Medication will probably hurt you in the long run, which is why I'm for disability rating and some form of compensation.

I do hate that pencil and paper pushers get as high as they do just cause they dropped a weight on their toe at the gym or have PTSD from getting yelled at once by a grunt E-7 because they ****ed up their admin.

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Nice OP, you are getting a raise for having to use a CPAP machine, unlike those of us who work for a living and have to use a CPAP.

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I haven't claimed any disability yet but I use a CPAP as well. Army covers it. Severe sleep apnea, insomnia, etc

I don't go around bragging about disability ratings. But if the government is going to pay for me to use a CPAP machine, after years of service…..I'm going to take them up on their offer.

I don't particularly like OPs like this because it's for the Veteran community. This would have been better posted on the Military Forum.

Just going to piss a bunch of people off here. If I don't use my CPAP, the. I'm screwed the next day.

I'm just going to keep training and focusing on the mission until it comes time for me to claim disability because I'm in absolute pain.

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I don't go around bragging about disability ratings. But if the government is going to pay for me to use a CPAP machine, after years of service…..I'm going to take them up on their offer.

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You mean you are going to engage in "fraud" and be "unethical"? lol

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I read what you said. You said "fraud". Fraud is a legal construct. And it's not un-ethical because it is specifically designed by statute to go to veterans who are capable of work. There is a separate claim process for people who can't work.

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You are being obtuse to the point. I am not refering to the legality of it.
Yes, your unethical actions are legal and not fraudulent by todays laws. However, they are fraudulent based on the definition of fraud.

Fraud Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
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deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.

a particular instance of such deceit or trickery:mail fraud; election frauds.

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Except that this program is being used exactly as intended. It is, by law and intent, made to compensate veterans for their injuries and conditions sustained during or by service. Those injuries are then also codified and specifically defined.

You can't claim that someone is being "unethical" or committing "fraud" when the law says and is intended to say "If you have A incurred on service date Y we will pay you X dollars". There is no loophole. There is no shady behavior. This is the program that exists, is used, and encouraged to be used.

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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Yep, I am 100% for people who actually need the disability checks (those mentally or physically scarred from war). But when private snuffie and joe schmo who were admins and did nothing but push paper get it the system is messed up.

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It had to be stressful losing my leave paperwork every single
****ing time.

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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Yep, I am 100% for people who actually need the disability checks (those mentally or physically scarred from war). But when private snuffie and joe schmo who were admins and did nothing but push paper get it the system is messed up.

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You don't need to go to war to receive disability. It has to be service connected. I know plenty of people who have died or been injured in training accidents. There was a guy I knew in Fort Bragg who smacked into a tree on an airborne operation. Dude lost all feeling in his legs and couldn't walk. He was med boarded out of the army. I think he is started to regain strength.

People die at our National Training Center every year Because of the conditions there are supposed to leave you fatigued and stressed.

Helicopter crashes stateside happen.

It's a risky business. So people suffer beyond the realm of war as well.

Yep. I was in a humvee rollover accident. Had some fractures. And got a TBI from a loose object in the cabin. Severely concussed. Still have major issues with it and now prone to head injury for the rest of my life. None of it from combat.

Not service related!

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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You can legally be 100% VA disabled and work an office job. Or any job for that matter provided your 100% rating isn't attributed due to lack of work ability. However, almost all rated veterans are still capable of gainful employment.

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If this isn't the clearest example of fraud because any sane person when they hear 100% disabled would assume said person would have extreme difficulty holding another job.

Yet our resident fraud enthusiast touts it as a great thing....

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Fraud has a legal meaning. In this case there is no fraud because working while being VA disabled is not prohibited by statute. In fact, there are clear ratings and separate processes for those claiming disability if they cannot work.

https://www.va.gov/disability/eligibility/special-claims/unemployability/

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Ill use myself as an example: among many minor issues, my hearing and knee will never be the same as they were pre Marine Corps. I no longer run for fun because I had developed arthritis by 30yo.

My earning potential isn't impacted, but there is real world impact to the life I live. Should that be considered?

Of course, there's also folks who claim sleep apnea disability which was a function of age/weight rather than a service-caused condition, and that's straight up bull*****

I think it is probably in the description. People hear "100% disabled" and assume that means an invalid. It's probably better understood as eligible for 100% of the disability allowance.

Sleep apnea often needs a nexus of cause and is usually tied as a secondary claim to a primary. For example, if you claim sinusitis and it's found service related then sleep apnea can be claimed secondary. Or if you have PTSD then sleep anea can be claimed as secondary. It's not common for a fat veteran to walk in to the VA C&P and get 50% just because they have sleep apnea and a CPAP.

I've been an Infantryman for the last 11 years. I've put my knees, back, ears, shoulders through the wringer over many missions and training.

Hell today I went for a plate carrier and sledge hammer run. How long can I keep this up for? Idk. But when we are in the field in July, and everyone is sucking, I'm hoping to suck less. All a part of the the job to lead by example in the field.

So if my knees are messed up in 8 years, then I'm filing for disability. It's that simple.

Or if you are fat.
Mexican food causes sleep apnea.

And IBS with GERD. That's another 50%

I've always told the people that I help "Don't file because you need the money at 40. File because you and your spouse will need it at 60 and these injuries catch up with you".

The further away you get from the day you get a DD214 the harder it is to win your claim. This is why the VA hounds soldiers returning from deployments.

Look at this text I just received?!

More government handouts?! I'm going to tell them that I don't need it!

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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You can legally be 100% VA disabled and work an office job. Or any job for that matter provided your 100% rating isn't attributed due to lack of work ability. However, almost all rated veterans are still capable of gainful employment.

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If this isn't the clearest example of fraud because any sane person when they hear 100% disabled would assume said person would have extreme difficulty holding another job.

Yet our resident fraud enthusiast touts it as a great thing....

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Fraud has a legal meaning. In this case there is no fraud because working while being VA disabled is not prohibited by statute. In fact, there are clear ratings and separate processes for those claiming disability if they cannot work.

https://www.va.gov/disability/eligibility/special-claims/unemployability/

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Did you even read what I said. I stated any sane person would view 100% disabled as having extreme difficulty holding another job.

Now look up ethical.

Ethical Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
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pertaining to or dealing with morals or the principles of morality; pertaining to right and wrong in conduct.

being in accordance with the rules or standards for right conduct or practice, especially the standards of a profession:It was not considered ethical for physicians to advertise.

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They are 100% incapable of doing THE JOB THEY HAD IN THE MILITARY due to the disability. Not ANY job...

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And IBS with GERD. That's another 50%

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All service related from eating on base.

The whole list is crazy. Like ICD10 codes.
Vasectomy +5%
Hernia +7%
Car wreck driving to base +9%
Marry Philopena chick +32%
Marrying gold digging chick after she find out about your Camp Lejeune settlement--full 110% disabled.

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And IBS with GERD. That's another 50%

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All service related from eating on base.

The whole list is crazy. Like ICD10 codes.
Vasectomy +5%
Hernia +7%
Car wreck driving to base +9%
Marry Philopena chick +32%
Marrying gold digging chick after she find out about your Camp Lejeune settlement--full 110% disabled.

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High BP from F16 +15%

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And IBS with GERD. That's another 50%

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All service related from eating on base.

The whole list is crazy. Like ICD10 codes.
Vasectomy +5%
Hernia +7%
Car wreck driving to base +9%
Marry Philopena chick +32%
Marrying gold digging chick after she find out about your Camp Lejeune settlement--full 110% disabled.

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High BP from F16 +15%

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Thank you for that good chuckle.

I'm not sure how or where they draw lines of 100% disabled for VA benefits, but I've always looked at it as a reflection of your ability to do a military job or compensation for permanent injury. The Wife's late husband had a spinal injury during an Army training accident. He was certainly in no shape to serve afterwards, got 100% and a medical discharge. He was able to work on aircraft at Kelly AFB later, and then do auto restoration. My dad, on the other hand, got 30% for hearing (B-52s are LOUD) and the VA gave him hearing aids.

Fuzzy lines, indeed.

I was going to join but I would have punched my drill sergeant.

Common misconception, is that 100% rating means you are 100% disabled. This is not the case and can be confusing honestly. It just means you are capped at the most the VA will award you. There are still levels above that for guys that are literally incapacitated.

I have a disability rating, but I was also shot numerous times have plates in my bones, missing bones, feet of scars, etc. etc. and saw numerous combat time.

TeslaAg is not a great representation of who should be walking around with a VA rating. Which is odd because he keeps bragging about it.

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I wouldn't say PTSD is easy to get. I got 30% but that was because of indirect fire and time being a 68W on first deployment. However, it was lowered to 0% after therapy/medication. Could I have milked it for more? Probably. But I hate therapy and actually wanted it treated.

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It's VERY easy to get.

Know of a person, pregnant 2 of the 3 yrs she was in. Never went anywhere other than stateside. 100% due to PTSD.

Yet, my father, enlisted voluntarily during Vietnam and eventually suffered spinal injury requiring spinal fusion (2nd person to have it done in the military, first guy never walked again) and a blown out knee requiring full Reconstruction. Retired and could barely walk at times. 50% .

The system is horribly mismanaged, as one would expect.

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keeps up with CPI Index

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But, that's a fairy tale, isn't it???

Some of y'all are looking at this in the wrong way.

VA is workers compensation and long term disability insurance for the military. That's all there is to it.

People in the military don't pay into workers comp or unemployment insurance or traditionally state sponsored disability compensation schemes.

So you have a bunch of 18 - 38 year olds doing extremely dangerous jobs. Busting ass in extreme environments, day in day out for chump change.

For a contractor to do the same dangerous job you'd have to pay the person 6-figures and pay a a hundred thousand to get the person trained at a minimal level. And that person would have a good benefit package with insurance. People in the military don't have that arrangement. Buying provate insurance for the risks that the VA covers would be impossible. Thats the rub.

So military people are out there doing a dangerous job for very little pay. Extremely low pay.

Almost unconscionably low pay for the physical taxation on the body and risk involved.

You body get's used and abused. There is no OSHA in the military. Almost every job is high risk. Especially if you at some sort of operational unit.

But that doesnt matter. Desk jockeys and remfs are entitled to the same benefits as the same person that has got bad knees from airborne jumps. It doesn't matter. Everybody signed on dotted line. It's part of the deal.

The VA is compensating people for injuries sustained during work. You are compensating veterans for in the job injuries and the long term effects of on the job injuries.

You are compensating the veteran for long term damage to the body and mind that was sustained during the course of employment.

That's part of the deal.

And it's been that way since probably ancient times starting with sailors having their own compensation scheme. Leading all the way up to the cilvil war in the US, to modern day.

So look more along the lines that VA is workers comp and long term disability insurance for the military.

Its not social security. Its not welfare. It's simply part of the compensation scheme for people that signed up to work for low pay in the military.

Theres no moral obligation involved.

You could change the name of VA to Cigna or Blue Cross or met life. It's all the same thing at the end of the day. health insurance and long term disability compensation scheme thats better than almost all first world nations.

So nobody has anything to complain about.

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I wouldn't say PTSD is easy to get. I got 30% but that was because of indirect fire and time being a 68W on first deployment. However, it was lowered to 0% after therapy/medication. Could I have milked it for more? Probably. But I hate therapy and actually wanted it treated.

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It's VERY easy to get.

Know of a person, pregnant 2 of the 3 yrs she was in. Never went anywhere other than stateside. 100% due to PTSD.

Yet, my father, enlisted voluntarily during Vietnam and eventually suffered spinal injury requiring spinal fusion (2nd person to have it done in the military, first guy never walked again) and a blown out knee requiring full Reconstruction. Retired and could barely walk at times. 50% .

The system is horribly mismanaged, as one would expect.

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Best I can tell getting disability for PTSD is about answering questions the right way. VFW and American Legion have guys that will coach you in your answers.

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Common misconception, is that 100% rating means you are 100% disabled. This is not the case and can be confusing honestly. It just means you are capped at the most the VA will award you. There are still levels above that for guys that are literally incapacitated.

I have a disability rating, but I was also shot numerous times have plates in my bones, missing bones, feet of scars, etc. etc. and saw numerous combat time.

TeslaAg is not a great representation of who should be walking around with a VA rating. Which is odd because he keeps bragging about it.

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My dad is one of those people. He broke his back and was medically discharged, I believe his cancer was also attributed to his time in the chemical corps.

COLA adjustments are good for legitimate "Veteran Related Disablities".

But as stated already on this thread, the fraud needs to eliminated with prejudice.

GWOT is over and now we're bashing veterans for using the VA?

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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You can legally be 100% VA disabled and work an office job. Or any job for that matter provided your 100% rating isn't attributed due to lack of work ability. However, almost all rated veterans are still capable of gainful employment.

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If this isn't the clearest example of fraud because any sane person when they hear 100% disabled would assume said person would have extreme difficulty holding another job.

Yet our resident fraud enthusiast touts it as a great thing....

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Fraud has a legal meaning. In this case there is no fraud because working while being VA disabled is not prohibited by statute. In fact, there are clear ratings and separate processes for those claiming disability if they cannot work.

https://www.va.gov/disability/eligibility/special-claims/unemployability/

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Did you even read what I said. I stated any sane person would view 100% disabled as having extreme difficulty holding another job.

Now look up ethical.

Ethical Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
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pertaining to or dealing with morals or the principles of morality; pertaining to right and wrong in conduct.

being in accordance with the rules or standards for right conduct or practice, especially the standards of a profession:It was not considered ethical for physicians to advertise.

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They are 100% incapable of doing THE JOB THEY HAD IN THE MILITARY due to the disability. Not ANY job...

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No. OP is 100% rating and still in the military.

There are entire law practices, YouTube channels, web forums, etc. dedicated to upping your rating. There is TONS of fraud involved.

I know people with 100% rating.

Trail runners, corporate people.

Maybe you should start lobbying agains't Veterans using benefits they are entitled too.

VA disabiltity should be offset by their employment. If they're working a job while still collecting disability, they're not that disabled.

I love the uproar in here from people who never served a day in the military, but watched Lone Survivor once and formed the opinion that you need to be marcus luttrell to receive disability.

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VA disabiltity should be offset by their employment. If they're working a job while still collecting disability, they're not that disabled.

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One of the most ignorant and tasteless comment I have read on this board.