What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

If you have ever wanted an explanation of why people are opposed to socialized health care, look no further than the VA for numerous examples.

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If you have ever wanted an explanation of why people are opposed to socialized health care, look no further than the VA for numerous examples.

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I brought this up during the debates over ObamaCare, and I had several people tell me they didn't have a problem with VA healthcare. They were usually people who didn't actually have to sit and wait forever or travel long distances to get it.

samurai_science said:

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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And what about the guys that use tuition checks to buy trucks?

samurai_science said:

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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This is factually correct. There is no telling how many billions fly like candy from the clowns at a parade. Truly insane how our tax dollars are thrown away.

samurai_science said:

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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Yep, I am 100% for people who actually need the disability checks (those mentally or physically scarred from war). But when private snuffie and joe schmo who were admins and did nothing but push paper get it the system is messed up.

Nice OP, you are getting a raise for having to use a CPAP machine, unlike those of us who work for a living and have to use a CPAP.

samurai_science said:

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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Cousin's boyfriend spent 1 year in the Army. Never deployed. Got depressed, tried to commit suicide, Army kicked him out, and now he gets disability for the rest of his life. Lives with his parents, sits on his ass and plays video games and online gambles. Complete loser.

Know countless of vets I served with that claimed PTSD which gets you like 50% disability. Very easy to get. Never saw a second of combat.

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samurai_science said:

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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Cousin's boyfriend spent 1 year in the Army. Never deployed. Got depressed, tried to commit suicide, Army kicked him out, and now he gets disability for the rest of his life. Lives with his parents, sits on his ass and plays video games and online gambles. Complete loser.

Know countless of vets I served with that claimed PTSD which gets you like 50% disability. Very easy to get. Never saw a second of combat.

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And the get tax breaks so they can park their Toyota Tacoma with 6" lift and tactical stickers in the handicapped spots at Lowe's to go get bags of mulch.

I too, knew a guy casually for a couple of years, who seemed completely able bodied and mentally share, and was surprised to learn later he was on 100% military disability. It's an enormous scam.

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samurai_science said:

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What about the tens of thousands who are not "disabled' who are also getting checks? Fraud is out of control, I know of a guy and his wife who get checks and they worked office jobs.

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You can legally be 100% VA disabled and work an office job. Or any job for that matter provided your 100% rating isn't attributed due to lack of work ability. However, almost all rated veterans are still capable of gainful employment.

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If this isn't the clearest example of fraud because any sane person when they hear 100% disabled would assume said person would have extreme difficulty holding another job.

Yet our resident fraud enthusiast touts it as a great thing....

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Fraud has a legal meaning. In this case there is no fraud because working while being VA disabled is not prohibited by statute. In fact, there are clear ratings and separate processes for those claiming disability if they cannot work.

https://www.va.gov/disability/eligibility/special-claims/unemployability/

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Did you even read what I said. I stated any sane person would view 100% disabled as having extreme difficulty holding another job.

Now look up ethical.

Ethical Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
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pertaining to or dealing with morals or the principles of morality; pertaining to right and wrong in conduct.

being in accordance with the rules or standards for right conduct or practice, especially the standards of a profession:It was not considered ethical for physicians to advertise.

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I read what you said. You said "fraud". Fraud is a legal construct. And it's not un-ethical because it is specifically designed by statute to go to veterans who are capable of work. There is a separate claim process for people who can't work.

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Semantics aside, 5 year olds know the difference between right and wrong. I guess some of us just slowly forget as we get older.

Somewhere along the way personal pride went away.

Apparently I'm from a different era where I would be too ashamed to take "free money" just because I could. In my mind it's theft. To be clear, if you cannot function or support yourself due to physical or mental issues you have as a result of military service, of course you must be taken care of.

If you take it because "everyone else does" or because you can get away with it, that is a 100% reflection on your integrity. Anything can be justified with enough mental gymnastics, but the facts remain.

I never thought I would take a dime from our government but years ago our home and business flooded in a 500 yr flood. SBA and FEMA saved the day for our young family, but I paid back every cent of our loans with interest(on time every month for years), because that was the right thing to do.

Integrity and personal pride is a thing of the past (for many) sadly. That genie ain't going back in the bottle either. .

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I read what you said. You said "fraud". Fraud is a legal construct. And it's not un-ethical because it is specifically designed by statute to go to veterans who are capable of work. There is a separate claim process for people who can't work.

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When a "reasonable person" hears someone is "100% disabled" they believe this person is most likely in a wheelchair and unable to work.
This person is not buying a bay boat and working.
This is not a personal attack on you.
You are just taking advantage of what is legally offered to you.
When I lived in SA I saw fit people in gym clothes and DV plates in all the handicapped parking.
Classifying an abled bodied, working person as 100% disabled is just not correct.