aggiepanic95 said:TexasRebel said:
$250,000 for a one way trip in a submersible.
$88,000 to stay at home and have to keep paying bills.
Life is expensive.
Based on those numbers, life is cheaper than death.
Honestly, with all the hate people spew online and in real life these days, it's not surprising.torrid said:
OceanGate as an entity seems to have shut down very swiftly. Any website links are dead, and signs have been pulled down from the space the company leased in Washington state. As far as holding people accountable, the main person to go after died in his own death trap. I assume he was at least smart enough to isolate the rest of his personal fortune from the OceanGate business.
agz win said:
TV news reporting the US and five other countries are starting investigations of the event.
Investigation: Yeah, let's not do that again.Sea Speed said:agz win said:
TV news reporting the US and five other countries are starting investigations of the event.
This is dumb. What a waste of govt resources.
Yep.Sea Speed said:agz win said:
TV news reporting the US and five other countries are starting investigations of the event.
This is dumb. What a waste of govt resources.
torrid said:
Some news stories have mentioned the possibility of a criminal investigation.
torrid said:
Some news stories have mentioned the possibility of a criminal investigation.
Mathguy64 said:Yep.Sea Speed said:agz win said:
TV news reporting the US and five other countries are starting investigations of the event.
This is dumb. What a waste of govt resources.
Guy made an unclassed unregulated sub which he is entitled to do.
He did it using technical staff that had little technical expertise in that or really any field, which he is entitled to do.
Lots of smart people and experts in the field told him he was making very bad design choices and he ignored them which he is entitled to do.
He conned lots of rich people to pay him to ride in it which everyone involved is entitled to do.
It had the expected catastrophic failure.
You can't regulate stupidity. Some people want to find expensive and creative ways to die and you can't regulate that either. Move along.
It's against the law to build a experimental aircraft and then sell rides on it, right?Burdizzo said:Mathguy64 said:Yep.Sea Speed said:agz win said:
TV news reporting the US and five other countries are starting investigations of the event.
This is dumb. What a waste of govt resources.
Guy made an unclassed unregulated sub which he is entitled to do.
He did it using technical staff that had little technical expertise in that or really any field, which he is entitled to do.
Lots of smart people and experts in the field told him he was making very bad design choices and he ignored them which he is entitled to do.
He conned lots of rich people to pay him to ride in it which everyone involved is entitled to do.
It had the expected catastrophic failure.
You can't regulate stupidity. Some people want to find expensive and creative ways to die and you can't regulate that either. Move along.
I would argue that he is not entitled to do all of that. He offered the tours as a publicly available service. Once you do that there is an obligation to ensure that the equipment is designed and operated with public safety as the first priority. Ask any PE registered in any state, and they will tell you that. As d-bag legal tactic he made all the tourist "crew members" as if they were now responsible for their own safety and the proper operation of the vessel. In that case he now opens himself up to OSHA realm since he didn't ensure the safety of his workers. That release they signed acknowledging the risks wasn't worth wiping your ass with.
Sure he's dead now, but there will be a long list of other people who will get included in the lawsuit.
TexasAggie_02 said:
didn't he claim that the University of Washington helped him design it?
I wonder if that was BS, or if they are starting to pucker up now too?
Love Gun said:torrid said:
Some news stories have mentioned the possibility of a criminal investigation.
Cool. Time to string someone up. Who owns the company and where is he at now?
Burdizzo said:Mathguy64 said:Yep.Sea Speed said:agz win said:
TV news reporting the US and five other countries are starting investigations of the event.
This is dumb. What a waste of govt resources.
Guy made an unclassed unregulated sub which he is entitled to do.
He did it using technical staff that had little technical expertise in that or really any field, which he is entitled to do.
Lots of smart people and experts in the field told him he was making very bad design choices and he ignored them which he is entitled to do.
He conned lots of rich people to pay him to ride in it which everyone involved is entitled to do.
It had the expected catastrophic failure.
You can't regulate stupidity. Some people want to find expensive and creative ways to die and you can't regulate that either. Move along.
I would argue that he is not entitled to do all of that. He offered the tours as a publicly available service. Once you do that there is an obligation to ensure that the equipment is designed and operated with public safety as the first priority. Ask any PE registered in any state, and they will tell you that. As d-bag legal tactic he made all the tourist "crew members" as if they were now responsible for their own safety and the proper operation of the vessel. In that case he now opens himself up to OSHA realm since he didn't ensure the safety of his workers. That release they signed acknowledging the risks wasn't worth wiping your ass with.
Sure he's dead now, but there will be a long list of other people who will get included in the lawsuit.
TexasRebel said:
I don't see how that will stand up. Just because it is no longer within specs for Boeing doesn't mean it's not good for other uses that don't involve aircraft.
Does Boeing have a responsibility to look into what everything they auction off goes on to do? That is a horrible precedent.
correctchase128 said:It's against the law to build a experimental aircraft and then sell rides on it, right?Burdizzo said:Mathguy64 said:Yep.Sea Speed said:agz win said:
TV news reporting the US and five other countries are starting investigations of the event.
This is dumb. What a waste of govt resources.
Guy made an unclassed unregulated sub which he is entitled to do.
He did it using technical staff that had little technical expertise in that or really any field, which he is entitled to do.
Lots of smart people and experts in the field told him he was making very bad design choices and he ignored them which he is entitled to do.
He conned lots of rich people to pay him to ride in it which everyone involved is entitled to do.
It had the expected catastrophic failure.
You can't regulate stupidity. Some people want to find expensive and creative ways to die and you can't regulate that either. Move along.
I would argue that he is not entitled to do all of that. He offered the tours as a publicly available service. Once you do that there is an obligation to ensure that the equipment is designed and operated with public safety as the first priority. Ask any PE registered in any state, and they will tell you that. As d-bag legal tactic he made all the tourist "crew members" as if they were now responsible for their own safety and the proper operation of the vessel. In that case he now opens himself up to OSHA realm since he didn't ensure the safety of his workers. That release they signed acknowledging the risks wasn't worth wiping your ass with.
Sure he's dead now, but there will be a long list of other people who will get included in the lawsuit.
Something like that needs to be applied to sea vessels.
Sea Speed said:TexasRebel said:
I don't see how that will stand up. Just because it is no longer within specs for Boeing doesn't mean it's not good for other uses that don't involve aircraft.
Does Boeing have a responsibility to look into what everything they auction off goes on to do? That is a horrible precedent.
I agree. I didn't say it would work, I just said someone will try. Boeing obviously has lower tolerances than the manufacturer and I am certain their shelf life is shorter than the manufacturer.
Mathguy64 said:Burdizzo said:Mathguy64 said:Yep.Sea Speed said:agz win said:
TV news reporting the US and five other countries are starting investigations of the event.
This is dumb. What a waste of govt resources.
Guy made an unclassed unregulated sub which he is entitled to do.
He did it using technical staff that had little technical expertise in that or really any field, which he is entitled to do.
Lots of smart people and experts in the field told him he was making very bad design choices and he ignored them which he is entitled to do.
He conned lots of rich people to pay him to ride in it which everyone involved is entitled to do.
It had the expected catastrophic failure.
You can't regulate stupidity. Some people want to find expensive and creative ways to die and you can't regulate that either. Move along.
I would argue that he is not entitled to do all of that. He offered the tours as a publicly available service. Once you do that there is an obligation to ensure that the equipment is designed and operated with public safety as the first priority. Ask any PE registered in any state, and they will tell you that. As d-bag legal tactic he made all the tourist "crew members" as if they were now responsible for their own safety and the proper operation of the vessel. In that case he now opens himself up to OSHA realm since he didn't ensure the safety of his workers. That release they signed acknowledging the risks wasn't worth wiping your ass with.
Sure he's dead now, but there will be a long list of other people who will get included in the lawsuit.
Want to bet there wasn't a PE involved?
