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Dan Crenshaw is still being an asshat on Fox News despite the likelihood these guys were dead before anyone even knew they were missing. He is claiming the tapping stopped on Wednesday and that was when the guys likely died and the CG and Navy leadership failed.

Crenshaw is getting paid by someone to push the agenda, possibly the Billionaire's family?

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Why would British or Pakistani families seek out the Congressman from Texas' 2nd District to push their agenda?

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Off topic, but who thinks the Navy had a pretty good idea of where the Titanic was before it was "Discovered". If they have SOSUS they would have noticed the flow sound of a large object and had to account for it as background noise in a filter. Putting position, two and two together, Boom Titanic location.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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Don't think we had SOSUS in 1912.

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bonfarr said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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bonfarr said:

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Dan Crenshaw is still being an asshat on Fox News despite the likelihood these guys were dead before anyone even knew they were missing. He is claiming the tapping stopped on Wednesday and that was when the guys likely died and the CG and Navy leadership failed.

Crenshaw is getting paid by someone to push the agenda, possibly the Billionaire's family?

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Why would British or Pakistani families seek out the Congressman from Texas' 2nd District to push their agenda?

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Possibly they wanted a bigger faster response during the first 24-48 hrs after communication was lost and now Crenshaw is covering for his earlier statements?

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JB!98 said:

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JB!98 said:

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Off topic, but who thinks the Navy had a pretty good idea of where the Titanic was before it was "Discovered". If they have SOSUS they would have noticed the flow sound of a large object and had to account for it as background noise in a filter. Putting position, two and two together, Boom Titanic location.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

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Don't think we had SOSUS in 1912.

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Talking about before it was "discovered" in 1985. Pretty sure SOSUS was around in the early 1970's in the Atlantic.

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bonfarr said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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bonfarr said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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bonfarr said:

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Dan Crenshaw is still being an asshat on Fox News despite the likelihood these guys were dead before anyone even knew they were missing. He is claiming the tapping stopped on Wednesday and that was when the guys likely died and the CG and Navy leadership failed.

Crenshaw is getting paid by someone to push the agenda, possibly the Billionaire's family?

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Why would British or Pakistani families seek out the Congressman from Texas' 2nd District to push their agenda?

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Possibly they wanted a bigger faster response during the first 24-48 hrs after communication was lost and now Crenshaw is covering for his earlier statements?

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Definitely makes logical sense if you already hate Crenshaw and want to make up stuff about him to pile on, even if it is beyond ridiculous.

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Sorry to ruffle your feathers man, ok maybe Crenshaw is just an asshat all on his own accord and doesn't need prodding to show it.

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For the early calls of more oversight and regulation, I don't think a dang thing is needed.

Diving a couple of miles under the ocean is inherently extremely dangerous and its up to the individual explorers to properly prepare and pay for their trip. James Cameron does it one way, OceanGate had a different approach.

This is not a ride at EPCOT. This is not a commercial SCUBA outfit in the Florida Keys. For these adventurers they knowing took risks that were clearly advised to them, including what I would assume to be numerous meetings and copious time with the OceanGate crew and employees.

At some point, the participants have to accept full responsibility for their activity. Regulations and oversight stifle innovation and creativity. Failures such as this inform others on the right... and wrong approach to dangerous exploration.

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I honestly wouldn't mind going out like that when I can't wipe my own ass anymore

Send me down boys

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I don't know anything about engineering or deep sea exploration, but it's my understanding that this guy completely disregarded existing requirements and common sense.

More regulations aren't needed if people can completely disregard them and do whatever the hell they want.

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Similar vein to the Mythbusters. Here is a crab getting sucked into a 3mm slit in an underwater pipe. Pressure outside the pipe was 3.5 tons.

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I don't know anything about engineering or deep sea exploration, but it's my understanding that this guy completely disregarded existing requirements and common sense.

More regulations aren't needed if people can completely disregard them and do whatever the hell they want.

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Much has been made of the waivers signed by the "passengers." Do those waivers protect Oceangate?

My initital take is no, they do not. This is in the gross negligence/wanton disregard category which void those, in general.

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Yep. What he learned looking looking those wrecks was their debris fields were easier to find than looking for the actual ships themselves, so when he looked for the Titanic he changed his approach to look for a debris field and then use that to find the actual ship.

ETA: The Navy already knew where the scorpion and Thresher were, Ballard was just involved because of his deep sea technology to inspect the wrecks and make sure the nuclear reactor wasn't leaking/wreck inspection.

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The inevitable bankruptcy will protect Oceangate.

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The inevitable bankruptcy will protect Oceangate.

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Maybe, maybe not. Chapter 7 does not always discharge criminal activity resulting in death or bodiy harm. And when you get to wanton disregard, that's akin to being reckless and criminal.

CEO was very sternly warned 5 years ago his design and engineering were way off and dangerous. Shows he should have foreseen these issues.

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Much has been made of the waivers signed by the "passengers." Do those waivers protect Oceangate?

My initital take is no, they do not. This is in the gross negligence/wanton disregard category which void those, in general.

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So his kids will have to pay for his dumbassery? Or will there be laws protecting them too?

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Yep. What he learned looking looking those wrecks was their debris fields were easier to find than looking for the actual ships themselves, so when he looked for the Titanic he changed his approach to look for a debris field and then use that to find the actual ship.

ETA: The Navy already knew where the scorpion and Thresher were, Ballard was just involved because of his deep sea technology to inspect the wrecks and make sure the nuclear reactor wasn't leaking/wreck inspection.

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The Navy had found them before, but prior to the 80s, they couldn't really inspect it because the needed underwater camera technology didn't exist and they hadn't found everything. They were extremely interested in the nuclear reactors, which had never been found and to see how those were handling the 20 years at the bottom of the Atlantic.

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Yep. What he learned looking looking those wrecks was their debris fields were easier to find than looking for the actual ships themselves, so when he looked for the Titanic he changed his approach to look for a debris field and then use that to find the actual ship.

ETA: The Navy already knew where the scorpion and Thresher were, Ballard was just involved because of his deep sea technology to inspect the wrecks and make sure the nuclear reactor wasn't leaking/wreck inspection.

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The Navy had found them before, but prior to the 80s, they couldn't really inspect it because the needed underwater camera technology didn't exist and they hadn't found everything. They were extremely interested in the nuclear reactors, which had never been found and to see how those were handling the 20 years at the bottom of the Atlantic.

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IIRC the USN still dives the periodically to measure the levels.

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Wonder if they removed the nuclear weapons or anything.

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Wonder if they removed the nuclear weapons or anything.

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They were still in sea trials. No weapons on board. Testing is done because it was a nuke powered sub.

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Wonder if they removed the nuclear weapons or anything.

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They were still in sea trials. No weapons on board. Testing is done because it was a nuke powered sub.

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