Philip J Fry said:
What a waste of taxpayer dollars. Declare they picked up the sound of implosion and move on.
That would make sense. Good of BQ78 to share what he can share. TexAgs is everywhere...nortex97 said:The (actual) sources are probably classified (meaning, USN Submarines etc.) I would guess the DoD has known since this happened…exactly when the implosion occurred.aginlakeway said:BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
Where are you seeing that?
It likely wouldn't be anticipation then failure. Just one bit catastrophic implosion with no warning.McInnis 03 said:Was waiting for a report that something picked up the "POP".BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
Now, the question is when did they pick it up. Hope these dudes didn't suffer anticipation and then failure.
In all reality what are the odds the thing failed down low and CEO Dumbass had some sort of device to crack that porthole on board in a fatal scenario?
BQ78 said:
They did send a distress message to the mothership just before implosion. Probably heard the hull cracking.
Thanks for all the professional insight, BQ.BQ78 said:
They did send a distress message to the mothership just before implosion. Probably heard the hull cracking.
Absolutely. And prayers to their family and friends. Very sad. Is there a press conference at 3 pm ET?Gigem314 said:That would make sense. Good of BQ78 to share what he can share. TexAgs is everywhere...nortex97 said:The (actual) sources are probably classified (meaning, USN Submarines etc.) I would guess the DoD has known since this happened…exactly when the implosion occurred.aginlakeway said:BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
Where are you seeing that?
Such a tragic event. But hopefully it happened quickly and the crew didn't realize what was going on.
He had little respect for safety, as can be seen in his interviews, so it doesn't mean much if he thought it was safe.Aston04 said:
Hindsight 20/20... Dumb all around. But, in fairness, the CEO/inventor was on board too. He obviously believed in the safety of the vessel, even with the many strange design choices. Corners weren't cut purely to save a buck imo.
BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
BQ78 said:
They did send a distress message to the mothership just before implosion. Probably heard the hull cracking.
What's mind-boggling to me (among other things in this disaster) is that the British billionaire who was on the Titan had descended to the Marianas trench at 36,000 feet depth in the DSV Limiting Factor. Hard to understand how/why he would sign on for the Titan after that.Its Not Rocket Surgery said:I read an article about this. Apparently the hull was showing "cyclic fatigue" stress damage during testing. The electronics were also fried in a likely lightning strike so he destroyed the original hull and rebuilt the submersible.akaggie05 said:
I read that there were signs of damage/weakening on several occasions after previous dives and that the max depth was de-rated in response. Then there was vague mention of "repairs" and magically the full depth rating was restored.
I'd rather get launched into orbit on that ripoff Russian space shuttle that only flew once unmanned than go six inches underwater in this sub.
More on that here: OceanGate Expeditions sub suffered electrical damage and had to be rebuilt BEFORE Titanic dive | Daily Mail Online
While everyone is waiting for the Coast Guard presser, if you want to see what a properly designed, built, and tested full ocean submersible looks like, check out the Triton Submarine built DSV Limiting Factor. Obviously way overrated for Titanic, but it gives you the sense of how shoddy the Titan really was.
Obviously the Space Shuttle was built 1000x more precise and professional than Titan...but I can't help but get a bit of a 'Challenger' parallel as far as taking for granted the dangers of exploration and taking ordinary citizens along for the ride despite warning signs. I have no doubt that safety standards will be impacted by this.TheEternalPessimist said:
Seems like the entire deep sea submersible industry is going to have to review every safety protocol and review designs going forward.
I took it for granted that we had developed these tools for exploration in the deep -- without giving much thought to the danger associated with it. Think it would be fair to compare the level of danger here to the same level of danger going to space presents.
RIP to those lost.
Real organizations do. But not this sheet show.TheEternalPessimist said:
Seems like the entire deep sea submersible industry is going to have to review every safety protocol and review designs going forward.
Yeah I thought I read they had sent a distress message before loss of contact. You'd have to think the CEO and French navy vet that had been to the Titanic numerous other times realized what was happening.BBRex said:BQ78 said:
They did send a distress message to the mothership just before implosion. Probably heard the hull cracking.
Man, that would have been terrifying for anyone who understood what that sound was.
I also can't imagine what hearing that "pop" would be like, either. The sound of five people dying at once. A pretty sobering reminder that the sea has no mercy or remorse.
TheEternalPessimist said:
Seems like the entire deep sea submersible industry is going to have to review every safety protocol and review designs going forward.
I took it for granted that we had developed these tools for exploration in the deep -- without giving much thought to the danger associated with it. Think it would be fair to compare the level of danger here to the same level of danger going to space presents.
RIP to those lost.
Gigem314 said:Yeah I thought I read they had sent a distress message before loss of contact. You'd have to think the CEO and French navy vet that had been to the Titanic numerous other times realized what was happening.BBRex said:BQ78 said:
They did send a distress message to the mothership just before implosion. Probably heard the hull cracking.
Man, that would have been terrifying for anyone who understood what that sound was.
I also can't imagine what hearing that "pop" would be like, either. The sound of five people dying at once. A pretty sobering reminder that the sea has no mercy or remorse.
Do they make men and women like this anymore?Quote:
Isidor Straus was a co-owner of Macy's and the story of how they perished captured the attention of those interested in the story of the Titanic.
"On the night of 14 April, after Titanic had hit the iceberg, Isidor and Ida were directed to lifeboat eight. However, the aging Isidor refused to board the lifeboat while there were younger men being prevented from boarding," according to the UK National Archives. "Ida also refused to get into the lifeboat saying, 'Where you go, I go'. Her maid Ellen was put into the lifeboat and Ida gave Ellen her fur coat, saying she had no further use for it."
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Do they make men and women like this anymore?
It's 2023, now they make men who think they're women.infinity ag said:Do they make men and women like this anymore?Quote:
Isidor Straus was a co-owner of Macy's and the story of how they perished captured the attention of those interested in the story of the Titanic.
"On the night of 14 April, after Titanic had hit the iceberg, Isidor and Ida were directed to lifeboat eight. However, the aging Isidor refused to board the lifeboat while there were younger men being prevented from boarding," according to the UK National Archives. "Ida also refused to get into the lifeboat saying, 'Where you go, I go'. Her maid Ellen was put into the lifeboat and Ida gave Ellen her fur coat, saying she had no further use for it."
Yeah, considering he'd been to the Titanic over 30 times before - and probably gone on much better vessels than the Titan. Yet he chose to keep going down again. Guess he thought it was worth the risk at 77.Quote:
He'd also been on this sub before. Everyone else who rode it said a big fat nope to returning, but this guy went back for more. Why?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12222279/OceanGate-boss-Stockton-Rush-revealed-hes-broken-rules-make-lost-Titan-sub.htmlQuote:
'It's acrylic plexiglass,' Rush tells Estrada after being asked what the window mounted at the front of the Titan vessel is made of.
'It is seven inches thick and weighs about 80lbs. And when we go to the Titanic, it will squeeze in about three-quarters of an inch and just deforms,' he explains.
'And acrylic is great because before it cracks or fails, it starts to crackle so you get a huge warning if it's going to fail.'
Some people crave this sort of stuff, especially ex militaryFTAG 2000 said:Gigem314 said:Yeah I thought I read they had sent a distress message before loss of contact. You'd have to think the CEO and French navy vet that had been to the Titanic numerous other times realized what was happening.BBRex said:BQ78 said:
They did send a distress message to the mothership just before implosion. Probably heard the hull cracking.
Man, that would have been terrifying for anyone who understood what that sound was.
I also can't imagine what hearing that "pop" would be like, either. The sound of five people dying at once. A pretty sobering reminder that the sea has no mercy or remorse.
He'd also been on this sub before. Everyone else who rode it said a big fat nope to returning, but this guy went back for more. Why?
And that warning does what good for you anyway when you're 12,500ft below the surface?Gigem314 said:Yeah, considering he'd been to the Titanic over 30 times before - and probably gone on much better vessels than the Titan. Yet he chose to keep going down again. Guess he thought it was worth the risk at 77.Quote:
He'd also been on this sub before. Everyone else who rode it said a big fat nope to returning, but this guy went back for more. Why?
Saw this from one of the articles, and these comments from the CEO seem haunting:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12222279/OceanGate-boss-Stockton-Rush-revealed-hes-broken-rules-make-lost-Titan-sub.htmlQuote:
'It's acrylic plexiglass,' Rush tells Estrada after being asked what the window mounted at the front of the Titan vessel is made of.
'It is seven inches thick and weighs about 80lbs. And when we go to the Titanic, it will squeeze in about three-quarters of an inch and just deforms,' he explains.
'And acrylic is great because before it cracks or fails, it starts to crackle so you get a huge warning if it's going to fail.'
Gigem314 said:Yeah, considering he'd been to the Titanic over 30 times before - and probably gone on much better vessels than the Titan. Yet he chose to keep going down again. Guess he thought it was worth the risk at 77.Quote:
He'd also been on this sub before. Everyone else who rode it said a big fat nope to returning, but this guy went back for more. Why?
Saw this from one of the articles, and these comments from the CEO seem haunting:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12222279/OceanGate-boss-Stockton-Rush-revealed-hes-broken-rules-make-lost-Titan-sub.htmlQuote:
'It's acrylic plexiglass,' Rush tells Estrada after being asked what the window mounted at the front of the Titan vessel is made of.
'It is seven inches thick and weighs about 80lbs. And when we go to the Titanic, it will squeeze in about three-quarters of an inch and just deforms,' he explains.
'And acrylic is great because before it cracks or fails, it starts to crackle so you get a huge warning if it's going to fail.'
buzzardb267 said:
Not being all morbid and all, but what happens to the human body at that depth? Is it crushed into a blob, or is it still intact, just all the organs crushed? I guess my bottom line, is there anything to recover from the remains of the occupants?
Right? Does the warning mean you have seconds, minutes, hours? Seconds or minutes I'd rather just be surprised.chase128 said:
And that warning does what good for you anyway when you're 12,500ft below the surface?
