Adventure to the Titanic goes terribly wrong [Staff Warning in OP]

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12:24p, 6/22/23
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Absolute "best" case scenario if it imploded. The other scenarios were terrifying to think about.
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In reply to BQ78 • 12:24p, 6/22/23
Dang, that's some juicy intel you have been waiting to drop.

Thank you for adhering to OPSEC
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 12:25p, 6/22/23
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FTAG 2000 said:
lunchbox said:
BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
I've seen this reported elsewhere around the same time as signal loss, but haven't seen anything concrete to back it up. You posting it gives it credence.

BQ78 has great intel in this area. Put it to bed.


This
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In reply to Bonus Hole • 12:26p, 6/22/23
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Well I hinted when I said it was a recovery operation all along despite what they were telling the press.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 12:27p, 6/22/23
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aginlakeway said:
BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up

Where are you seeing that?
The (actual) sources are probably classified (meaning, USN Submarines etc.) I would guess the DoD has known since this happened…exactly when the implosion occurred.
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In reply to BQ78 • 12:27p, 6/22/23
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BQ78 said:
The Coast Guard told us on Monday morning
Makes sense given their lack of urgency.
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In reply to BQ78 • 12:28p, 6/22/23
Well, I'm glad the suffering was minimal.

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12:28p, 6/22/23
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Hindsight 20/20... Dumb all around. But, in fairness, the CEO/inventor was on board too. He obviously believed in the safety of the vessel, even with the many strange design choices. Corners weren't cut purely to save a buck imo.
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In reply to AggieKO • 12:29p, 6/22/23
AggieKO said:
BQ78 said:
The Coast Guard told us on Monday morning
Makes sense given their lack of urgency.


How would you like them to be more urgent?
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In reply to BQ78 • 12:30p, 6/22/23
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BQ78 said:
The Coast Guard told us on Monday morning
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
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In reply to Aston04 • 12:31p, 6/22/23
An Uber rich dude who got lost in his hobby with compete disregard to safety
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In reply to BQ78 • 12:31p, 6/22/23
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BQ78 said:
Well I hinted when I said it was a recovery operation all along despite what they were telling the press.
Damn... in going back through your posting history, you are right on. We should have been listening!
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In reply to HoustonAg2106 • 12:31p, 6/22/23
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HoustonAg2106 said:
AgsOnDeck said:
My theory?

The underwater vehicle submerged on Sunday morning (18 June) and its support vessel lost contact with it about an hour and 45 minutes later.

After almost 2 hours submerging, the submarine imploded causing a loss of communication. So hopefully it was a quick death.

My question is would there be any body parts or existence of them 4-5 days later at the bottom of the sea?


The banging noises that they were hearing every 30 minutes leads me to believe they were alive and probably stuck on the ocean floor until they recently ran out of oxygen.

Seems like we'll know if those sounds have stopped.
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In reply to Bonus Hole • 12:32p, 6/22/23
AgsOnDeck said:
AggieKO said:
BQ78 said:
The Coast Guard told us on Monday morning
Makes sense given their lack of urgency.


How would you like them to be more urgent?
Early on there were reports of "red tape" holding up the deployment of resources. Makes sense if they were pretty sure they were dead.
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In reply to BQ78 • 12:34p, 6/22/23
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BQ78 said:
Well I hinted when I said it was a recovery operation all along despite what they were telling the press.

Solid call. Thanks for keeping us informed!
"I'm sure that won't make a bit of difference for those of you who enjoy a baseless rage over the decisions of a few teenagers."
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In reply to lunchbox • 12:34p, 6/22/23
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lunchbox said:
AgsOnDeck said:
AggieKO said:
BQ78 said:
The Coast Guard told us on Monday morning
Makes sense given their lack of urgency.


How would you like them to be more urgent?
Early on there were reports of "red tape" holding up the deployment of resources. Makes sense if they were pretty sure they were dead.
I don't think that was truly the case.

The question was if they were even going to deploy assets to look for any signs of debris.
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In reply to lunchbox • 12:35p, 6/22/23
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lunchbox said:
AgsOnDeck said:
AggieKO said:
BQ78 said:
The Coast Guard told us on Monday morning
Makes sense given their lack of urgency.


How would you like them to be more urgent?
Early on there were reports of "red tape" holding up the deployment of resources. Makes sense if they were pretty sure they were dead.

Remember when JFK Jr's plane went down. It seemed like half the Atlantic fleet got involved with that one.
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In reply to BQ78 • 12:36p, 6/22/23
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BQ78 said:
Well I hinted when I said it was a recovery operation all along despite what they were telling the press.


So another thing in the media that was completely wrong and it was known but not corrected?
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In reply to aginlakeway • 12:36p, 6/22/23
aginlakeway said:
BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up

Where are you seeing that?
WFLA reported this on their live stream Tuesday.
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In reply to Definitely Not A Cop • 12:36p, 6/22/23
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Definitely Not A Cop said:
I would like to see someone like James Cameron (a well known celebrity deep diver, particularly with his connection to The Titanic) to put out a video explaining the technical differences between the sub he uses when diving versus what these people were using)
I think it would be akin to explaining why a VW Beetle isn't as good at war as an Abrams tank is.
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In reply to Squadron7 • 12:38p, 6/22/23
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Squadron7 said:
lunchbox said:
AgsOnDeck said:
AggieKO said:
BQ78 said:
The Coast Guard told us on Monday morning
Makes sense given their lack of urgency.


How would you like them to be more urgent?
Early on there were reports of "red tape" holding up the deployment of resources. Makes sense if they were pretty sure they were dead.

Remember when JFK Jr's plane went down. It seemed like half the Atlantic fleet got involved with that one.


Yeah, but that was to find anything connecting the crash back to the government.
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In reply to AGHouston11 • 12:38p, 6/22/23
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AGHouston11 said:
BQ78 said:
Well I hinted when I said it was a recovery operation all along despite what they were telling the press.


So another thing in the media that was completely wrong and it was known but not corrected?
Hard to be certain what would've been made public and when. The ability to monitor undersea acoustics and track vessels at certain depths is likely a very closely-guarded secret, discussing things in detail too early could give away the location and type of assets we have deployed at the moment.
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12:38p, 6/22/23
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What a waste of taxpayer dollars. Declare they picked up the sound of implosion and move on.
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In reply to AGHouston11 • 12:40p, 6/22/23
AGHouston11 said:
BQ78 said:
Well I hinted when I said it was a recovery operation all along despite what they were telling the press.


So another thing in the media that was completely wrong and it was known but not corrected?


Something I learned in the Army and working with PAOs and other government entities.

"Control the narrative"
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In reply to bthotugigem05 • 12:40p, 6/22/23
bthotugigem05 said:
AGHouston11 said:
BQ78 said:
Well I hinted when I said it was a recovery operation all along despite what they were telling the press.


So another thing in the media that was completely wrong and it was known but not corrected?
Hard to be certain what would've been made public and when. The ability to monitor undersea acoustics and track vessels at certain depths is likely a very closely-guarded secret, discussing things in detail too early could give away the location and type of assets we have deployed at the moment.
You've also got to consider family notification as well.
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In reply to BQ78 • 12:42p, 6/22/23
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BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
Was waiting for a report that something picked up the "POP".

Now, the question is when did they pick it up. Hope these dudes didn't suffer anticipation and then failure.

In all reality what are the odds the thing failed down low and CEO Dumbass had some sort of device to crack that porthole on board in a fatal scenario?
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12:43p, 6/22/23
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It's the rumor that banging could be heard at 30 minute intervals they really irritates me on this he side of the media. Easily refuted, but that doesn't sell clicks.
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In reply to McInnis 03 • 12:43p, 6/22/23
McInnis 03 said:
BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
Was waiting for a report that something picked up the "POP".

Now, the question is when did they pick it up. Hope these dudes didn't suffer anticipation and then failure.

In all reality what are the odds the thing failed down low and CEO Dumbass had some sort of device to crack that porthole on board in a fatal scenario?
WFLA said the sound was picked up around the time of the loss of communications.
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In reply to Philip J Fry • 12:44p, 6/22/23
Philip J Fry said:
It's the rumor that banging could be heard at 30 minute intervals they really irritates me on this he side of the media. Easily refuted, but that doesn't sell clicks.
The Coast Guard said they knew nothing about the 30 minute intervals yesterday.
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In reply to Bonus Hole • 12:44p, 6/22/23
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I guess urgency was the wrong word to use here.
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In reply to McInnis 03 • 12:46p, 6/22/23
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Titanic rests at 3800m, the loss of communication was on the descent, so likely it imploded without warning on the way down.
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In reply to AggieKO • 12:47p, 6/22/23
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They did send a distress message to the mothership just before implosion. Probably heard the hull cracking.
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In reply to AggieKO • 12:48p, 6/22/23
Now I get what you mean and it all makes sense now.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 12:48p, 6/22/23
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Sea Speed said:
agracer said:
AgsOnDeck said:
I think the 96hr Oxygen thing is false. I doubt the people who built this sub have any clue how much Oxygen is available for 5 people operating that thing.


Just like SCBAs, what they are rated for and what you actually get out of them are 2 completely different things.
I meant more from the standpoint of the whole operation is bailing wire and duct tape.

But that too.
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In reply to akaggie05 • 12:49p, 6/22/23
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akaggie05 said:
I read that there were signs of damage/weakening on several occasions after previous dives and that the max depth was de-rated in response. Then there was vague mention of "repairs" and magically the full depth rating was restored.

I'd rather get launched into orbit on that ripoff Russian space shuttle that only flew once unmanned than go six inches underwater in this sub.
I read an article about this. Apparently the hull was showing "cyclic fatigue" stress damage during testing. The electronics were also fried in a likely lightning strike so he destroyed the original hull and rebuilt the submersible.

More on that here: OceanGate Expeditions sub suffered electrical damage and had to be rebuilt BEFORE Titanic dive | Daily Mail Online


While everyone is waiting for the Coast Guard presser, if you want to see what a properly designed, built, and tested full ocean submersible looks like, check out the Triton Submarine built DSV Limiting Factor. Obviously way overrated for Titanic, but it gives you the sense of how shoddy the Titan really was.
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