Adventure to the Titanic goes terribly wrong [Staff Warning in OP]

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In reply to bonfarr • 4:14p, 6/22/23
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I wouldn't be surprised if the instructors (and maybe some students) at the sonar technician training centers in Illinois and Connecticut have already listened to recordings of the sub's demise.
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4:15p, 6/22/23
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Didn't I read that this was the 3rd voyage it has taken to the Titanic? If so, why didn't it make it this time?

Hard and fascinating story - appreciate the news updates that come through here, but I picked up on page 26
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In reply to bonfarr • 4:16p, 6/22/23
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bonfarr said:
I want to know what type of glue they used to attach the titanium collar to the hull. How could it possibly be strong enough to withstand the type of pressure at 3000+ meters?


Built with any knowledge of a pressure seal, it would use water pressure to help the seal.

The issue that has been touched on is differences in thermal expansion rates. Is the epoxy/adhesive keeping this thing mounted compliant enough to accept those shear forces at North Atlantic temperatures and continue to hold the thing in place.
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In reply to nosoupforyou • 4:27p, 6/22/23
nosoupforyou said:
Didn't I read that this was the 3rd voyage it has taken to the Titanic? If so, why didn't it make it this time?

Hard and fascinating story - appreciate the news updates that come through here, but I picked up on page 26
Stuff wears down. It just took one little thing to go wrong and it is inevitable total failure.

Everything on the ocean is trying to kill you. And it's even worse when you go under water.
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In reply to Duckhook • 4:36p, 6/22/23
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I'm guessing we'll never know, but wonder what the contents of the "distress call" were? "Goodbye"? "We've got a problem"? Something specific i.e. "we're experiencing x and are going to head back up"?

"Who's making popcorn?"
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In reply to nosoupforyou • 4:37p, 6/22/23
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metal fatigue, weakened condition induced in metal parts of machines, vehicles, or structures by repeated stresses or loadings, ultimately resulting in fracture under a stress much weaker than that necessary to cause fracture in a single application.


That's why you xray/scan **** after exteme exposure.

https://teci.com/metal-fatigue-what-it-is-and-how-it-is-detected/
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In reply to nosoupforyou • 4:38p, 6/22/23
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nosoupforyou said:
Didn't I read that this was the 3rd voyage it has taken to the Titanic? If so, why didn't it make it this time?

Hard and fascinating story - appreciate the news updates that come through here, but I picked up on page 26


Carbon fiber is the wrong material for a pressure vessel under thousands of psi at depth in the ocean.

Additionally, they did dumb stuff like screwing their mounts for the internal monitoring equipment and cameras into the carbon fiber shell, creating abnormal pressure points in the hull for an ocean looking for any weakness to get in.

It was reported after the second dive that there were observed problem areas that needed repaired prior to this trip. It has not been documented or otherwise proven those items were addressed adequately.

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In reply to aggielostinETX • 4:39p, 6/22/23
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aggielostinETX said:
metal fatigue, weakened condition induced in metal parts of machines, vehicles, or structures by repeated stresses or loadings, ultimately resulting in fracture under a stress much weaker than that necessary to cause fracture in a single application.


That's why you xray/scan **** after exteme exposure.

https://teci.com/metal-fatigue-what-it-is-and-how-it-is-detected/


The metal ends survived, per reports. The carbon fiber stupidity in between is what flash crumpled.
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In reply to Bonus Hole • 4:42p, 6/22/23
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AgsOnDeck said:
I know it was just a dummy made with ballistics gel and a red fluid that simulated blood, but that was still pretty gruesome to watch.
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4:44p, 6/22/23
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I hope pictures of the Titan debris field emerge over time. I sure as **** wont go see it myself.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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In reply to akaggie05 • 4:46p, 6/22/23
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I'm an electrical engineer, not a physicist, but understanding is that a sudden implosion at those depths would basically vaporize everything inside.


The gasses would be compressed into supercritical fluids. If the breech was sudden and large, it would likely generate a strong shockwave that would raise the temperature a few hundred degrees, and the follow on pressure and temperature rise from the rapidly compressing gasses would probably be over a 1000 or even 2000 thousand degrees F.

In a rapid crush scenario this would happen in a few milliseconds and be over before the nerve signals can transmit a signal.

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4:48p, 6/22/23
So - that being said - anybody up for a ride to the titanic when they fix the glitch?
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In reply to torrid • 4:52p, 6/22/23
I would like to the camera footage from the hull

All of it

Yeah I'm messed up
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4:54p, 6/22/23
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From a WSJ article that just posted:

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WASHINGTONA top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission, officials involved in the search said.
The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.
"The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost," a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. "While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission."
The Navy asked that the specific system used not be named, citing national security concerns.
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In reply to bmks270 • 5:01p, 6/22/23
So weird to think how you can just be blipped out of existence and not even know it
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In reply to PlaneCrashGuy • 5:02p, 6/22/23
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PlaneCrashGuy said:
I hope pictures of the Titan debris field emerge over time. I sure as **** wont go see it myself.


You use the strangest emojis on all of your posts.
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In reply to terradactylexpress • 5:02p, 6/22/23
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terradactylexpress said:
So weird to think how you can just be blipped out of existence and not even know it

Yeah, I kn...
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In reply to terradactylexpress • 5:03p, 6/22/23
I honestly wouldn't mind going out like that when I can't wipe my own ass anymore

Send me down boys
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In reply to Bonus Hole • 5:03p, 6/22/23
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AgsOnDeck said:
I honestly wouldn't mind going out like that when I can't wipe my own ass anymore

Send me down boys

Talk about being yeeted out.
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 5:05p, 6/22/23
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Additionally, they did dumb stuff like screwing their mounts for the internal monitoring equipment and cameras into the carbon fiber shell, creating abnormal pressure points in the hull for an ocean looking for any weakness to get in.
should've used 3M strips
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5:07p, 6/22/23
Over 100 years later the Titanic death toll keeps rising.
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 5:08p, 6/22/23
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nosoupforyou said:
Didn't I read that this was the 3rd voyage it has taken to the Titanic? If so, why didn't it make it this time?

Hard and fascinating story - appreciate the news updates that come through here, but I picked up on page 26


Carbon fiber is the wrong material for a pressure vessel under thousands of psi at depth in the ocean.

Additionally, they did dumb stuff like screwing their mounts for the internal monitoring equipment and cameras into the carbon fiber shell, creating abnormal pressure points in the hull for an ocean looking for any weakness to get in.

It was reported after the second dive that there were observed problem areas that needed repaired prior to this trip. It has not been documented or otherwise proven those items were addressed adequately.
Yikes! Double yikes! Triple yikes!

If there is an insurance company, I wonder if doing stupid things like that might void the policy.
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In reply to Satellite of Love • 5:12p, 6/22/23
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Satellite of Love said:
Over 100 years later the Titanic death toll keeps rising.
And this is even more bizarre.

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Wendy Rush, wife of OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, who has been missing in a submersible after embarking on an expedition to see the wreckage of the Titanic, is related to victims of the Titanic sinking, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

Wendy Rush is the great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Straus, according to The New York Times. The Strauses were first-class passengers, with Isidor being a co-owner of the department store R.H. Macy.

The Strauses died together when the Titanic sank in April 1912
LINK
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In reply to bonfarr • 5:14p, 6/22/23
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Loose lips sink ships.
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5:14p, 6/22/23
When can I start posting memes? I'm sitting on a a pile of them.
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In reply to Bonus Hole • 5:28p, 6/22/23
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Now
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5:29p, 6/22/23
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https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/missing-titanic-sub-search-continues-live-updates/amp/

"Titanic" director James Cameron said he found the similarities "surreal" between the original 1912 Titanic sinking and the loss of the five-member crew of the submersible that imploded while visiting the ocean liner's wreck.

"I'm struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field on a moonless night and many people died as a result," he told ABC News.

"For a very similar tragedy where warnings went unheeded to take place at the same exact site with all the diving that's going around all around the world, I think it's just astonishing, it's really quite surreal."
Trump will fix it.
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5:32p, 6/22/23
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Off topic, but who thinks the Navy had a pretty good idea of where the Titanic was before it was "Discovered". If they have SOSUS they would have noticed the flow sound of a large object and had to account for it as background noise in a filter. Putting position, two and two together, Boom Titanic location.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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In reply to bonfarr • 5:32p, 6/22/23
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bonfarr said:
From a WSJ article that just posted:

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WASHINGTONA top secret U.S. Navy acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible began its mission, officials involved in the search said.
The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after its disappearance, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.
"The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost," a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. "While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission."
The Navy asked that the specific system used not be named, citing national security concerns.


In many ways, that's comforting.
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In reply to Bonus Hole • 5:33p, 6/22/23
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AgsOnDeck said:
When can I start posting memes? I'm sitting on a a pile of them.
My (admittedly unsought) suggestion is to start a separate thread.

If it does not play well, this thread won't get nuked again.

Again, my unsought .02.
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In reply to Bonus Hole • 5:34p, 6/22/23
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Thanks for sharing that Mythbusters.
RIP Grant Imahara
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Imahara
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5:35p, 6/22/23
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Dan Crenshaw is still being an asshat on Fox News despite the likelihood these guys were dead before anyone even knew they were missing. He is claiming the tapping stopped on Wednesday and that was when the guys likely died and the CG and Navy leadership failed.

He literally just said we should question whether the Coast Guard leadership should be in charge of future rescue missions.


Crenshaw is getting paid by someone to push the agenda, possibly the Billionaire's family?
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In reply to JB!98 • 5:36p, 6/22/23
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JB!98 said:
Off topic, but who thinks the Navy had a pretty good idea of where the Titanic was before it was "Discovered". If they have SOSUS they would have noticed the flow sound of a large object and had to account for it as background noise in a filter. Putting position, two and two together, Boom Titanic location.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Don't think we had SOSUS in 1912.
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In reply to bonfarr • 5:38p, 6/22/23
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bonfarr said:
Dan Crenshaw is still being an asshat on Fox News despite the likelihood these guys were dead before anyone even knew they were missing. He is claiming the tapping stopped on Wednesday and that was when the guys likely died and the CG and Navy leadership failed.

Crenshaw is getting paid by someone to push the agenda, possibly the Billionaire's family?
Why would British or Pakistani families seek out the Congressman from Texas' 2nd District to push their agenda?
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