I did think about typing that but was in a hurry.
Adventure to the Titanic goes terribly wrong [Staff Warning in OP]
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This story will almost certainly get the Hollywood treatment at some point. Doubt they try to recreate the implosion, probably fade to end credits as the sub sinks its final time.
It will be interesting to see what angle they take. Obviously they're going to have to address the lack of concern for safety, but I bet they ignore the DEI/ESG/woke aspects of the company. Happy to be proven wrong if they include the CEO's disdain for old white guys who know stuff.
It will be interesting to see what angle they take. Obviously they're going to have to address the lack of concern for safety, but I bet they ignore the DEI/ESG/woke aspects of the company. Happy to be proven wrong if they include the CEO's disdain for old white guys who know stuff.
Trump will fix it.
Any thoughts on the premise of the rapid heating? I know it would heat instantly, like one tweeter pointed out, it would be like being inside the cylinder of a diesel engine. Seems plausible if there is enough pressure differential.
"ROGER - OUT"
they’re saying implosion for the titan submersible & all i can think of is that episode of mythbusters where they built a body and sent it underwater & let it get decompressed pic.twitter.com/JUDUnZ9nn7
— cam ✨ (@IcedFrapp) June 22, 2023
AgsOnDeck said:they’re saying implosion for the titan submersible & all i can think of is that episode of mythbusters where they built a body and sent it underwater & let it get decompressed pic.twitter.com/JUDUnZ9nn7
— cam ✨ (@IcedFrapp) June 22, 2023
Damn
The information sharing needed to be nothing other than "an acoustic underwater even was detected at a time consistent with last known contact". There is nothing classified, secret, proprietary or otherwise in that sort of an information sharing amongst agencies, foreign and domestic, and amongst trusted members of the community involved in these sorts of things.
BQ78 shared very interesting but general information on the subject and should be commended for doing so. Lots of very smart people on here and I think the armchair quarterback experts always help as it pierces group think of a closer knit community.
Given the "status" of the folks lost, then a search was warranted to determine location and end result. I imagine we will come to understand the "acoustic event" was inconclusive, though perhaps consistent, with a structural failure.
Whilst awaiting further information, I will refer to an older source in Eric76 for detailed information as 76 indicates more experience than 78.
BQ78 shared very interesting but general information on the subject and should be commended for doing so. Lots of very smart people on here and I think the armchair quarterback experts always help as it pierces group think of a closer knit community.
Given the "status" of the folks lost, then a search was warranted to determine location and end result. I imagine we will come to understand the "acoustic event" was inconclusive, though perhaps consistent, with a structural failure.
Whilst awaiting further information, I will refer to an older source in Eric76 for detailed information as 76 indicates more experience than 78.
Reading a WSJ article where a previous passenger said to tilt the sub down everyone crowded to the front. To tilt it up they crowded to the back.
Trump will fix it.
If age indicates more expertise and detailed information, let me introduce you to Joe Biden.
BradenMeador said:FTAG 2000 said:
Here's what he actually said:Quote:
Teams believe it is too early to tell what time the implosion took place, with sonar buoys not detecting any kind of implosion after the search began - suggesting it likely occurred prior to search teams entering the area.
Yep that was my take away. The question from the reporter was asking if the response time played a part in the result of the rescue mission and implosion. His answer was basically saying they didn't hear anything because it happened before they started listening.
My hunch is that the sound of the implosion was picked up by the Navy's SOSUS array at the depth BQ98 said and the CG and Military won't talk about that as it reveals capabilities. They will likely never fully divulge that part of the story if that turns out to be the case.
AgsOnDeck said:they’re saying implosion for the titan submersible & all i can think of is that episode of mythbusters where they built a body and sent it underwater & let it get decompressed pic.twitter.com/JUDUnZ9nn7
— cam ✨ (@IcedFrapp) June 22, 2023
That was at 300 ft. with a slow leak in a pressurized suit.
This was in a 1 atm bubble at 10,500 ft.
fair to wonder...if any investments or bank accounts were, um, moved around between Sunday and todayAgsOnDeck said:
Pretty much everything I need to put this story to bed.
We have dissected "why" this happen over the last couple days. Nothing put out will shock me anymore.
Well, the only thing I want to know more about is the delay on Ocean Gate's part from the distress signal to the next day
So you can imagine how instant it was at their level!TexasRebel said:AgsOnDeck said:they’re saying implosion for the titan submersible & all i can think of is that episode of mythbusters where they built a body and sent it underwater & let it get decompressed pic.twitter.com/JUDUnZ9nn7
— cam ✨ (@IcedFrapp) June 22, 2023
That was at 300 ft.
Sounds like we need to get a custom TexAgs icon of the Titan made for BQ78's handle.
techno-ag said:
This story will almost certainly get the Hollywood treatment at some point. Doubt they try to recreate the implosion, probably fade to end credits as the sub sinks its final time.
It will be interesting to see what angle they take. Obviously they're going to have to address the lack of concern for safety, but I bet they ignore the DEI/ESG/woke aspects of the company. Happy to be proven wrong if they include the CEO's disdain for old white guys who know stuff.
Maybe like the Mark Wahlberg movie Deepwater Horizon about the BP disaster in the Gulf. The corner cutting and ignoring safety warnings will be the plot focus. The only issue I have is there has to be some type of heroics in those types of movies and in this case none survived and every action after the incident was all for nothing so that part would fall flat.
Good movie, especially in the original German with subtitles.BQ78 said:
"The goal for all our teams at Texas A&M is to perform at a consistently high level and compete for conference and national titles."
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My Query:
Compressing 1500 cubic feet of air at 75 degrees fahrenheit down to 4 cubic feet of air in one second would result in what temperature increase? (Note: Various sources describe the Titan as being roughly 22' x 8' x 8')
Returns:
When air is compressed, the molecules are forced into closer quarters, and they collide and interact with each other more and more, increasing the heat. The temperature increases from T1 to T2 according to an exponential equation, T2 / T1 = (p2 / p1) ^ [ (gamma - 1)/gamma], where "gamma" is just a number that depends on the gas. For air, at standard conditions, it is 1.41.
The initial temperature of the air is 75 degrees Fahrenheit which is equal to 297.039 kelvin2. If we assume that the compression is adiabatic (no heat exchange with the environment), then we can use the following formula to calculate the final temperature of the compressed air:
T2 = T1 * (P2/P1)^((gamma-1)/gamma)
where T1 is the initial temperature of the air, P1 is the initial pressure of the air, P2 is the final pressure of the air, gamma is a constant that depends on the gas being compressed.
Assuming that atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi and that 1500 cubic feet of air at 75 degrees Fahrenheit are compressed down to 4 cubic feet in one second, then we can calculate that the final pressure of the compressed air would be approximately 551.25 psi3. Using this information and assuming adiabatic compression, we can calculate that the final temperature of the compressed air would be approximately 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit or 1650 degrees Celsius.
My Query:
Compressing 1500 cubic feet of air at 75 degrees fahrenheit down to 4 cubic feet of air in one second would result in what temperature increase? (Note: Various sources describe the Titan as being roughly 22' x 8' x 8')
Returns:
When air is compressed, the molecules are forced into closer quarters, and they collide and interact with each other more and more, increasing the heat. The temperature increases from T1 to T2 according to an exponential equation, T2 / T1 = (p2 / p1) ^ [ (gamma - 1)/gamma], where "gamma" is just a number that depends on the gas. For air, at standard conditions, it is 1.41.
The initial temperature of the air is 75 degrees Fahrenheit which is equal to 297.039 kelvin2. If we assume that the compression is adiabatic (no heat exchange with the environment), then we can use the following formula to calculate the final temperature of the compressed air:
T2 = T1 * (P2/P1)^((gamma-1)/gamma)
where T1 is the initial temperature of the air, P1 is the initial pressure of the air, P2 is the final pressure of the air, gamma is a constant that depends on the gas being compressed.
Assuming that atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi and that 1500 cubic feet of air at 75 degrees Fahrenheit are compressed down to 4 cubic feet in one second, then we can calculate that the final pressure of the compressed air would be approximately 551.25 psi3. Using this information and assuming adiabatic compression, we can calculate that the final temperature of the compressed air would be approximately 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit or 1650 degrees Celsius.
buzzardb267 said:
Any thoughts on the premise of the rapid heating? I know it would heat instantly, like one tweeter pointed out, it would be like being inside the cylinder of a diesel engine. Seems plausible if there is enough pressure differential.
One of the few things I remember from my thermodynamics class: PV = nRT.
On one side of the equation you have Pressure and Volume... on the other you have 2 constants and Temperature. That equation has to stay balanced.
At a guess this is what happens: For a brief moment in time (when containment is lost) the pressure instantly shoots up exponentially.... the volume of the sub hasn't changed (yet) so the result is the temperature increases to match the pressure. Instant vaporizing of everything inside.
Once the water starts getting inside it would very quickly cause the temperature to drop... and because the pressure hasn't changed, now the volume has to reduce with the temperature and the entire thing collapses in on itself.
BQ78 said:
Coast Guard ain't really in the military but they are a highly professional, especially existing as they do in the US government, organization.
Tell that to my buddy who runs teams who board narco subs
T2 = T1/V1*V2
T1/V1 is a constant.
T2 = Lim c/V2 as V2 → 0+
T2 = ∞
T1/V1 is a constant.
T2 = Lim c/V2 as V2 → 0+
T2 = ∞
AgsOnDeck said:
If age indicates more expertise and detailed information, let me introduce you to Joe Biden.
Not all brains are created equal. Some lack wisdom at any age.
TexasRebel said:
T2 = T1/V1/V2
Lim V2 → 0
T2 = ∞
I'm not an engineer....but that looks bad.
Was an error. Fixed.
it will be interesting to see if the Titanium cap failed or the joint / bonding material connecting it to the carbon fiber hull failed
TexasRebel said:
Was an error. Fixed.
I wouldn't have known.
T2 being infinity seemed bad to me, though.
W said:
it will be interesting to see if the Titanium cap failed or the joint / bonding material connecting it to the carbon fiber hull failed
Maybe those boat attacking Orcas are getting more skills.
W said:
it will be interesting to see if the Titanium cap failed or the joint / bonding material connecting it to the carbon fiber hull failed
I'm interested in the hatch and landing gear being in close proximity to each other. They either came off first and missed the cacophony of air attempting to exist in deep water, or coincidentally came back together. (Or maybe we're attached somehow).
I was told there would be no math.
Sea Speed said:BQ78 said:
Coast Guard ain't really in the military but they are a highly professional, especially existing as they do in the US government, organization.
Tell that to my buddy who runs teams who board narco subs
I'm guessing we'll never know, but wonder what the contents of the "distress call" were? "Goodbye"? "We've got a problem"? Something specific i.e. "we're experiencing x and are going to head back up"?
Duckhook said:
I'm guessing we'll never know, but wonder what the contents of the "distress call" were? "Goodbye"? "We've got a problem"? Something specific i.e. "we're experiencing x and are going to head back up"?
I'm guessing, "F*CK!"
How quick it was I was thinking more of "Oh sh_____"
techno-ag said:
Reading a WSJ article where a previous passenger said to tilt the sub down everyone crowded to the front. To tilt it up they crowded to the back.
Just a good ol' fashioned trim party!!
Duckhook said:
I'm guessing we'll never know, but wonder what the contents of the "distress call" were? "Goodbye"? "We've got a problem"? Something specific i.e. "we're experiencing x and are going to head back up"?
Also, did another pressure cycle (heading back up) trigger the failure?
I want to know what type of glue they used to attach the titanium collar to the hull. How could it possibly be strong enough to withstand the type of pressure at 3000+ meters?
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