TefIon Don said:akaggie05 said:
The technology is there, both for underwater acoustic beacons, and radio beacons that can be located by satellites within seconds if they're lost and bobbing on the surface. Of course, it had neither.
Just unreal.
AgsOnDeck said:
My theory?
The underwater vehicle submerged on Sunday morning (18 June) and its support vessel lost contact with it about an hour and 45 minutes later.
After almost 2 hours submerging, the submarine imploded causing a loss of communication. So hopefully it was a quick death.
My question is would there be any body parts or existence of them 4-5 days later at the bottom of the sea?
GiggityAg01 said:It seems like that analysis would be better from a 3rd party. Given that 4 of the people onboard were paying passengers trusting the company with whom they contracted (not total innocents but certainly more innocent than, say, a test pilot signing up for a good chance at death in the interest of science and country), it seems like it would be hard to say "Hi I'm James Cameron and here's all the reasons I lived through deeper dives and your family didn't. Of course I didn't say anything previously though."Definitely Not A Cop said:
I would like to see someone like James Cameron (a well known celebrity deep diver, particularly with his connection to The Titanic) to put out a video explaining the technical differences between the sub he uses when diving versus what these people were using)
Yeah, it all happens in an instant but if you slowed it down to milliseconds the water coming in would literally cut you into pieces like a laser, everything but your bones would be squeezed into almost nothingness by the overall pressure, and the air inside combusts because of the raised pressure on it. So you're diced, incinerated and crushed in an instant. Then the debris would drift and fall another 5000-6000 feet down over a wide area. There won't be any body parts.akaggie05 said:
I'm an electrical engineer, not a physicist, but understanding is that a sudden implosion at those depths would basically vaporize everything inside.
HoustonAg2106 said:AgsOnDeck said:
My theory?
The underwater vehicle submerged on Sunday morning (18 June) and its support vessel lost contact with it about an hour and 45 minutes later.
After almost 2 hours submerging, the submarine imploded causing a loss of communication. So hopefully it was a quick death.
My question is would there be any body parts or existence of them 4-5 days later at the bottom of the sea?
The banging noises that they were hearing every 30 minutes leads me to believe they were alive and probably stuck on the ocean floor until they recently ran out of oxygen.
That's my thinking as well. Probably imploded the moment the mother ship lost communication with it.JCA1 said:HoustonAg2106 said:AgsOnDeck said:
My theory?
The underwater vehicle submerged on Sunday morning (18 June) and its support vessel lost contact with it about an hour and 45 minutes later.
After almost 2 hours submerging, the submarine imploded causing a loss of communication. So hopefully it was a quick death.
My question is would there be any body parts or existence of them 4-5 days later at the bottom of the sea?
The banging noises that they were hearing every 30 minutes leads me to believe they were alive and probably stuck on the ocean floor until they recently ran out of oxygen.
My guess is the noises were unrelated and this thing imploded days ago.
Definitely Not A Cop said:GiggityAg01 said:It seems like that analysis would be better from a 3rd party. Given that 4 of the people onboard were paying passengers trusting the company with whom they contracted (not total innocents but certainly more innocent than, say, a test pilot signing up for a good chance at death in the interest of science and country), it seems like it would be hard to say "Hi I'm James Cameron and here's all the reasons I lived through deeper dives and your family didn't. Of course I didn't say anything previously though."Definitely Not A Cop said:
I would like to see someone like James Cameron (a well known celebrity deep diver, particularly with his connection to The Titanic) to put out a video explaining the technical differences between the sub he uses when diving versus what these people were using)
Sorry, how is James Cameron not a 3rd party in this situation?
ballchain said:For those morbidly curious, read about the Byford Dolphin diving bell accident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin#Diving_bell_accidentJoes said:Yeah, it all happens in an instant but if you slowed it down to milliseconds the water coming in would literally cut you into pieces like a laser, everything but your bones would be squeezed into almost nothingness by the overall pressure, and the air inside combusts because of the raised pressure on it. So you're diced, incinerated and crushed in an instant. Then the debris would drift and fall another 5000-6000 feet down over a wide area. There won't be any body parts.akaggie05 said:
I'm an electrical engineer, not a physicist, but understanding is that a sudden implosion at those depths would basically vaporize everything inside.
The "Medical Findings" section describes what happened, anatomically, to the personnel involved. They were decompressed from 9 atmospheres to 1 instantly.
At Titanic's depth, it is 375 atmospheres. You have to imagine the rest.
K129 didn't implode at 10,000+ feet deep.JABQ04 said:AgsOnDeck said:
My theory?
The underwater vehicle submerged on Sunday morning (18 June) and its support vessel lost contact with it about an hour and 45 minutes later.
After almost 2 hours submerging, the submarine imploded causing a loss of communication. So hopefully it was a quick death.
My question is would there be any body parts or existence of them 4-5 days later at the bottom of the sea?
Very possible there are remains. When we recovered portions of the K129 (see project Azorian) after 6 years of sitting on the floor of the Pacific, they were able to identify remains of 6 Soviet sailors and give them a burial at see. There's a video on YouTube I believe of the ceremony. One of the bodies, IIRC, was found to still be in his bunk, which is probably he had no idea what was happening before the sun imploded.
lunchbox said:
Sky News reporting the debris found is the landing frame and rear cover from the submerisble.
Squadron7 said:Definitely Not A Cop said:GiggityAg01 said:It seems like that analysis would be better from a 3rd party. Given that 4 of the people onboard were paying passengers trusting the company with whom they contracted (not total innocents but certainly more innocent than, say, a test pilot signing up for a good chance at death in the interest of science and country), it seems like it would be hard to say "Hi I'm James Cameron and here's all the reasons I lived through deeper dives and your family didn't. Of course I didn't say anything previously though."Definitely Not A Cop said:
I would like to see someone like James Cameron (a well known celebrity deep diver, particularly with his connection to The Titanic) to put out a video explaining the technical differences between the sub he uses when diving versus what these people were using)
Sorry, how is James Cameron not a 3rd party in this situation?
Because he is an English major who didn't finish college?
Smart guy....but he didn't build those subs. He was the money.
Definitely Not A Cop said:Squadron7 said:Definitely Not A Cop said:GiggityAg01 said:It seems like that analysis would be better from a 3rd party. Given that 4 of the people onboard were paying passengers trusting the company with whom they contracted (not total innocents but certainly more innocent than, say, a test pilot signing up for a good chance at death in the interest of science and country), it seems like it would be hard to say "Hi I'm James Cameron and here's all the reasons I lived through deeper dives and your family didn't. Of course I didn't say anything previously though."Definitely Not A Cop said:
I would like to see someone like James Cameron (a well known celebrity deep diver, particularly with his connection to The Titanic) to put out a video explaining the technical differences between the sub he uses when diving versus what these people were using)
Sorry, how is James Cameron not a 3rd party in this situation?
Because he is an English major who didn't finish college?
Smart guy....but he didn't build those subs. He was the money.
Yeah I get you, not making any arguments to the contrary. He's still a 3rd party and he's basically the face of this technology for the world, particularly because of his fascination with the Titanic.
I'm for him having an actual engineer explain the super technical design issues, but him being the main face in the video will get way more engagement than anyone else putting out a similar video.
"It means the hull hasn't yet been found but two very important parts of the whole system have been discovered and that would not be found unless its fragmented," he added.lunchbox said:
Sky News reporting the debris found is the landing frame and rear cover from the submerisble.
https://news.sky.com/story/titanic-submarine-missing-live-updates-submersible-cannot-be-opened-from-inside-time-running-out-on-oxygen-supply-waiver-mentions-death-three-times-12905748
Landing frame, yes. Rear cover of the submersible sounds catastrophic.Guitarsoup said:"It means the hull hasn't yet been found but two very important parts of the whole system have been discovered and that would not be found unless its fragmented," he added.lunchbox said:
Sky News reporting the debris found is the landing frame and rear cover from the submerisble.
https://news.sky.com/story/titanic-submarine-missing-live-updates-submersible-cannot-be-opened-from-inside-time-running-out-on-oxygen-supply-waiver-mentions-death-three-times-12905748
But wasn't it able to jettison the landing frame and stuff in case of a catastrophic event to surface?
Nothing.AgsOnDeck said:
My theory?
The underwater vehicle submerged on Sunday morning (18 June) and its support vessel lost contact with it about an hour and 45 minutes later.
After almost 2 hours submerging, the submarine imploded causing a loss of communication. So hopefully it was a quick death.
My question is would there be any body parts or existence of them 4-5 days later at the bottom of the sea?
One of the interviews of a previous "tourist" said they were very clear about the chance of death.Squadron7 said:
"Waiver mentions 'death' three times."
Have you ever read the manual for a bicycle?
I've seen this reported elsewhere around the same time as signal loss, but haven't seen anything concrete to back it up. You posting it gives it credence.BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
No Spin Ag said:lunchbox said:
Sky News reporting the debris found is the landing frame and rear cover from the submerisble.
That's pretty much it for the people in there, isn't it?
BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
lunchbox said:I've seen this reported elsewhere around the same time as signal loss, but haven't seen anything concrete to back it up. You posting it gives it credence.BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
aginlakeway said:BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
Where are you seeing that?
FTAG 2000 said:lunchbox said:I've seen this reported elsewhere around the same time as signal loss, but haven't seen anything concrete to back it up. You posting it gives it credence.BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
BQ78 has great intel in this area. Put it to bed.
He's in a related industry. He had lots of information early in the thread. I believe his company was contacted about the search.aginlakeway said:BQ78 said:
Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up
Where are you seeing that?
