Adventure to the Titanic goes terribly wrong [Staff Warning in OP]

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MarathonAg12
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1:49p, 6/21/23
The net worth in that capsule is billions and billions of dollars

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1:49p, 6/21/23
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In reply to fka ftc • 1:50p, 6/21/23
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For those poking fun at the controller used, NatGeo supplied this reference to the US Navy using xBox controllers to aim laser cannons and operate periscopes.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/military-contractor-just-went-ahead-and-used-xbox-controller-their-new-giant-laser-cannon-180952647/

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16333376/us-navy-military-xbox-360-controller

Probably has had more testing and real-life abuse than anything the military could design.

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In reply to aggieforester05 • 1:51p, 6/21/23
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aggieforester05 said:
Keeper of The Spirits said:
Imagine being stuck in there with your 19 year old kid. You have to consider trying to off yourself to buy your kid a few more minutes or maybe not. I imagine if they are still down there, its quite horrific
In complete darkness, freezing cold temperature, next to a graveyard full of people that died horrific deaths 111 years ago. Knowing that you have a 99.9% chance of suffocating or being crushed to death within the next few hours. While who knows what kind of awful smells, sounds and thoughts your shipmates are putting you through. They might even try to kill you to buy themselves more time. This might be worse than being buried alive.


I truly hope a movie is made in this exact same scenario and the terror and hopelessness can be captured.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 1:52p, 6/21/23
[There is a warning in the OP and you already had several removed. -Staff]
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In reply to Sea Speed • 1:55p, 6/21/23
Sea Speed said:
aggieforester05 said:
Keeper of The Spirits said:
Imagine being stuck in there with your 19 year old kid. You have to consider trying to off yourself to buy your kid a few more minutes or maybe not. I imagine if they are still down there, its quite horrific
In complete darkness, freezing cold temperature, next to a graveyard full of people that died horrific deaths 111 years ago. Knowing that you have a 99.9% chance of suffocating or being crushed to death within the next few hours. While who knows what kind of awful smells, sounds and thoughts your shipmates are putting you through. They might even try to kill you to buy themselves more time. This might be worse than being buried alive.


I truly hope a movie is made in this exact same scenario and the terror and hopelessness can be captured.
To be honest, sounds like about the most boring movie one could possibly make, unless someone went truly barbaric down there and killed, ate and macguveyered their way into producing more oxygen and releasing the ballast to surface a week later. That I may watch.

Unfortunately, they either died a few days ago or will pass in the next few hours.
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In reply to fka ftc • 1:56p, 6/21/23
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Yea, that's what it would have to be. I didn't say a movie about what happens here, just this scenario.
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In reply to TexAg1987 • 1:57p, 6/21/23
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fka ftc said:
For those poking fun at the controller used, NatGeo supplied this reference to the US Navy using xBox controllers to aim laser cannons and operate periscopes.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/military-contractor-just-went-ahead-and-used-xbox-controller-their-new-giant-laser-cannon-180952647/

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16333376/us-navy-military-xbox-360-controller

Probably has had more testing and real-life abuse than anything the military could design.

#truth

I would think on an experimental machine you would want simple backups for things like the controller. For instance, is the ballast release mechanical and operable with no power? Or does it rely on a circuit that becomes inoperable due to power failure.

Complete power failure would mean no modem for comms and potential no ability to resurface. Nothing I have seen yet shows what redundancy they had or did not have in place.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 1:58p, 6/21/23
Roger that. I am sure between f16 and ChatGPT we can have the movie scripted and generated by end of day.
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In reply to Anti-taxxer • 2:01p, 6/21/23
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Anti-taxxer said:
I have a very basic understanding of everything that's been happening, so bear with me if this is a stupid question.

My initial thought was the "sub" imploded from pressure due to the low quality materials it was constructed with.

Then, I watched the cbs video of the sub actually making it to the wreckage before, which means it was obviously able to withstand the pressure from 2.5 miles under the sea.

Is it possible (or rather, likely) that continued trips under the ocean caused a weakening of the material (I guess like the cracks that have been mentioned), which would have led to an implosion?

Is there really a chance they are just floating around down there, waiting? That just seems so improbable.
yes, Carbon Fiber and bonding a titanium shell to it like this have never been done in this kind of application with this kind of stress. There is no way to know how it would react after repeated trips to the bottom.
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2:03p, 6/21/23
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I honestly can't believe they basically glued this thing together. I know synthetic fobers can be stronger than steel like in the case of mooring lines and such, but bonding two dissimilar materials together like this seems insane, especially when they seemed to be doing it all willy nilly putting the glue on with popsicle sticks.
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In reply to MarathonAg12 • 2:06p, 6/21/23
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MarathonAg12 said:
The banging could be the capsule banging around the wreckage


Kind of don't think a 17ton capsule is being swung around and pretty sure our sonar operators can know the difference in sounds
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In reply to fka ftc • 2:09p, 6/21/23
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fka ftc said:
TexAg1987 said:
fka ftc said:
For those poking fun at the controller used, NatGeo supplied this reference to the US Navy using xBox controllers to aim laser cannons and operate periscopes.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/military-contractor-just-went-ahead-and-used-xbox-controller-their-new-giant-laser-cannon-180952647/

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16333376/us-navy-military-xbox-360-controller

Probably has had more testing and real-life abuse than anything the military could design.

#truth

I would think on an experimental machine you would want simple backups for things like the controller. For instance, is the ballast release mechanical and operable with no power? Or does it rely on a circuit that becomes inoperable due to power failure.

Complete power failure would mean no modem for comms and potential no ability to resurface. Nothing I have seen yet shows what redundancy they had or did not have in place.
It would be insane not to have redundancy on the control system and safety systems, that would at the very least supply them with backup power to release the ballasts. A mechanical release for the ballasts should have been mandatory.

There should also be redundant standalone comms systems with their own power source including but not limited to both acoustic and RF beacons. Hell, even a bouy that you could manually release to let them know you're alive and general location would be helpful.

Realistically this should be a bigger beefier design for commercial tours with multiple redundancies on all critical systems, tools, spare parts, an engineer, internally accessible control systems, fire suppression systems, CO2 scrubbers (with plenty of filters), backup O2, retrieval points for salvage (including a plan and available surface equipment), a positioning system that leaves no doubt of the craft's location for the surface ship), and preferably an escape pod with life support and space for all crew members to surface.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 2:10p, 6/21/23
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Sea Speed said:
I honestly can't believe they basically glued this thing together. I know synthetic fobers can be stronger than steel like in the case of mooring lines and such, but bonding two dissimilar materials together like this seems insane, especially when they seemed to be doing it all willy nilly putting the glue on with popsicle sticks.


Their mistake was in not using a can of flex seal on the joint.

But yeah bonding titanium to carbon fiber using epoxy seems like one of many bizarre choices. Then again once they went down the carbon fiber path they didn't have much choice at all.
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In reply to fka ftc • 2:10p, 6/21/23
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I thought someone said earlier there is a ballast release that works without power. Something about the material that holds it on can only stay submerged for a certain period of time before dissolving or eroding in a way that would release the mass.
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2:11p, 6/21/23
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All the talk about the toilet and smells, I can imagine there wouldn't be some briefing on what to eat before you head down, although with this organization they probably fed them bean and undercooked chicken

I feel like in in that kind of panic my body would shut down most functions
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 2:12p, 6/21/23
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BadMoonRisin said:
I thought someone said earlier there is a ballast release that works without power. Something about the material that holds it on can only stay submerged for a certain period of time before dissolving or eroding in a way that would release the mass.


The reporter mentioned they can release the ballast by all moving to one side, inducing a roll and having the ballast fall off the hook. Another in a long line of strange choices.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 2:16p, 6/21/23
He also mentioned something about a sandbag that would fall and release the ballasts after 14 hours. He said there were seven different ways it could be surfaced. If there really are that many fail-safes on board, there's no way this thing is in one piece.
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In reply to MarathonAg12 • 2:18p, 6/21/23
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Sounds like the Hull finally imploded
I thought reports earlier were they got some pings from the Titan in the last day or so. If it imploded, there would be no pings. Also, you'd think the SOSUS system in the Atlantic would have heard the explosion.
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2:19p, 6/21/23
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I just don't understand why someone would want to pay $250k and risk their life in one of the most inhospitable places on the planet to view an old shipwreck. I have watched all of the videos of the wreckage on YouTube that all of the different expeditions have shot and I am perfectly fine leaving it at that. There really isn't much to look at other than a big blob of wreckage covered in coral and slime. They can only look out the one small window and most likely can only see ten feet in front of the window clearly anyway. Whatis the lure for this? To be able to say you are one of only a hundred or so people to be down there?
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In reply to agracer • 2:20p, 6/21/23
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You wont hear from him, he got banned. I think he was misinterpreting the article. From the lawsuit in 2018 by the engineer, he said they should have used a more accurate way to detect flaws in the hull than the one they ultimately used. But this was years earlier.

Not sure how he deduced the hull had imploded unless he thought the hull scans were something that they did since the ship was lost.
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In reply to bonfarr • 2:21p, 6/21/23
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bonfarr said:
I just don't understand why someone would want to pay $250k and risk their life in one of the most inhospitable places on the planet to view an old shipwreck. I have watched all of the videos of the wreckage on YouTube that all of the different people expeditions have shot and I am perfectly fine leaving it at that. There really isn't much to look at other than a big blob of wreckage covered in coral and slime. They can only look out the one small window and most likely can only see ten feet in front of the window clearly anyway. I hat is the lure for this? To be able to say you are one of only a hundred or so people to be down there?

Virgin Galactic is about to start operations again to take rich people to space even though there have already been pictures and video taken. Just nothing like seeing it for yourself to some people.
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 2:22p, 6/21/23
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He also mentioned something about a sandbag that would fall and release the ballasts after 14 hours. He said there were seven different ways it could be surfaced. If there really are that many fail-safes on board, there's no way this thing is in one piece.


Unless it tried to stick it's nose in the wreck and got stuck
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In reply to bonfarr • 2:23p, 6/21/23
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Not sure. I would prefer to see the wreckage in my house, in 4k quality, without 4 other dudes hovering around me and the window with the smell of bags of **** right underneath me, but to each their own.

It would be a pretty cool flex to say that you actually went there for some people.

One of the guys on there already went to space on Ocean Blue, went with Buzz Aldrin to the South Pole and was on flight mission the went from both earths poles in the same period of time. Adding going to visit the titanic, something that only a handful of people have done personally, I could see why someone like him would go.
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In reply to JaxDad • 2:24p, 6/21/23
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I'll be very callous about this but why are we spending so much taxpayer money to try and find them? I told my daughter if it was a fishing charter or something routine then that is why the CG exists. This is an extreme adventure that went wrong. Another analogy would be snow skiing (normal) at say Breckenridge versus climbing Mount Everest. One has low risk and the other is extreme.
I'm thinking those billionaire families have already cut a check to get them rescued.
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In reply to TAMU1990 • 2:26p, 6/21/23
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TAMU1990 said:
JaxDad said:
I'll be very callous about this but why are we spending so much taxpayer money to try and find them? I told my daughter if it was a fishing charter or something routine then that is why the CG exists. This is an extreme adventure that went wrong. Another analogy would be snow skiing (normal) at say Breckenridge versus climbing Mount Everest. One has low risk and the other is extreme.
I'm thinking those billionaire families have already cut a check to get them rescued.


Not if they can avoid it.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 2:26p, 6/21/23
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HTownAg98 said:
He also mentioned something about a sandbag that would fall and release the ballasts after 14 hours. He said there were seven different ways it could be surfaced. If there really are that many fail-safes on board, there's no way this thing is in one piece.


Unless it tried to stick it's nose in the wreck and got stuck
I don't think there is any part of the wreck a capsule this size would be able to enter. It would also violate the supposed conservation rules they are to follow, which I know is not saying much but the french dude was one of the foremost experts on Titanic - doubt he could have supported invasive tour of Titanic.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 2:29p, 6/21/23
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Sea Speed said:
I honestly can't believe they basically glued this thing together. I know synthetic fobers can be stronger than steel like in the case of mooring lines and such, but bonding two dissimilar materials together like this seems insane, especially when they seemed to be doing it all willy nilly putting the glue on with popsicle sticks.
F1 cars have been doing it since the 80's. Airplanes have been doing it since the 90's.

It's not unproven tech. above the water.

As far as I know, it is unproven below the water.
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In reply to Keeper of The Spirits • 2:30p, 6/21/23
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All the talk about the toilet and smells, I can imagine there wouldn't be some briefing on what to eat before you head down, although with this organization they probably fed them bean and undercooked chicken

I feel like in in that kind of panic my body would shut down most functions
Unfortunately or fortunately for the occupants, they are instructed to limit their food intake prior to the dive in order to not have to use the ziploc bag for doodies.

Not sure how many granola bars and lunchables they packed, but I imagine if they have survived this long they are in dehydration and getting pretty hungry.
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In reply to fka ftc • 2:30p, 6/21/23
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fka ftc said:
For those poking fun at the controller used, NatGeo supplied this reference to the US Navy using xBox controllers to aim laser cannons and operate periscopes.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/military-contractor-just-went-ahead-and-used-xbox-controller-their-new-giant-laser-cannon-180952647/

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16333376/us-navy-military-xbox-360-controller



They weren't using that though. They were using a Logitech controller (third party)
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 2:31p, 6/21/23
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Guitarsoup said:
MarathonAg12 said:
The banging could be the capsule banging around the wreckage


Kind of don't think a 17ton capsule is being swung around and pretty sure our sonar operators can know the difference in sounds
The currents can be strong enough to move the capsule and cause other submersibles to float all over and be in danger of striking the wreck. It's been shown on other documentaries I've seen with the Titanic and other wrecks that have been discovered.
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2:32p, 6/21/23
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Likely some sort of catastrophic accident and the debris field for that given the size of the sub is going to be worse than a needle in a haystack. Considering they would have to point a light directly at it with no knowledge where to start looking. I'm betting no trace will ever be found unless they did hang up on the wreckage because of navigation issues. I guess if they lost communication before, maybe they are still intact and having to slowly die one by one, but still thinking catastrophic.

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2:32p, 6/21/23
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At what point is no return? I.e., they're definitely dead?
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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In reply to fka ftc • 2:33p, 6/21/23
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From what I read, one sandwich and one bottle of water per person
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In reply to nai06 • 2:34p, 6/21/23
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nai06 said:
Zarathustra said:

I don't know about you but I want my sub operator hired soley on competence.





One of the guys down there is Paul-Henri Nargeolet. He's a former Navy diver, Director of Underwater Research for the RMS Titanic, and has visited the wreck around 37 times. There are few people (if any) more experienced at this than Nargeolet. He is literally the leading expert on diving to the Titanic.


https://news.yahoo.com/missing-french-diver-paul-henri-160821779.html


What's funny about Mr super woke CEO's quip is he has been the pilot on every dive they have done. Literally an old white guy.
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