Adventure to the Titanic goes terribly wrong [Staff Warning in OP]

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1:19p, 6/21/23
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US Naval Institute: UPDATE.
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In reply to Showertime at the Bidens • 1:22p, 6/21/23
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Zarathustra said:

I don't know about you but I want my sub operator hired soley on competence.





One of the guys down there is Paul-Henri Nargeolet. He's a former Navy diver, Director of Underwater Research for the RMS Titanic, and has visited the wreck around 37 times. There are few people (if any) more experienced at this than Nargeolet. He is literally the leading expert on diving to the Titanic.


https://news.yahoo.com/missing-french-diver-paul-henri-160821779.html
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In reply to agracer • 1:22p, 6/21/23
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agracer said:
fka ftc said:
So these really rich guys took the option of flying in John Denver's homemade aircraft vs the corporate jet.

Cannot explain that, even with ego at play. Seems exceptionally foolish.

Also, from the updated clip of CBS dude. See link to part in video where he describes that there are 18 bolts to fasten the end cap on, but on his trip they stopped at 17 cause the other one was "hard to reach" and they told him it would be fine.

Again, exceptional carelessness and stupidity it would seem.

if the last bolt is hard to reach, HTF are they properly torquing the other 17 bolts down correctly? Or even that 18th one.

I heard that and rolled my eyes so far back I saw my brain. I would have been banging on that thing to get out at that point because they proved they're amateurs. You cut corners on something I can see, how much can't I see?
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1:22p, 6/21/23
OceanGate previously received a number of warnings about its safety features. A former employee, who was sued by the company in 2018 and then counter-sued, wrote in his lawsuit that he had warned the company about a lack of testing of Titan's hull.

David Lochridge was fired by OceanGate in 2018, according to the lawsuits from OceanGate and Lochridge. OceanGate's lawsuit alleged that Lochridge breached his contract by revealing confidential information about the company to two other people.

According to both lawsuits, Lochridge was fired after a meeting over his concerns about the Titan. One of Lochridge's stances is that OceanGate should have done a scan of the Titan's hull instead of using acoustic monitoring, which is what the company's engineer said was better for finding flaws.


Sounds like the Hull finally imploded
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1:22p, 6/21/23
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How does this thing regulate temperature? If they lost power how would they not be hypothermic at this point?
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In reply to jokershady • 1:23p, 6/21/23
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jokershady said:
bonfarr said:
Lake08 said:
So 3 scenarios, imo

Likelihood IMO:
At bottom of ocean (screwed) 40%
Tangled in the wreckage (screwed) 50%
Floating on top (best scenario)10%



Added my estimates on probability.


The likelihood of the vessel floating in the top of the water since Sunday or early Monday without being found seems remote to me. The Coast Guard and Navies are very good at spotting vessels adrift and they have been searching for days. Even with a large surface area to search I think they would have seen it by now.
even if it's painted white? someone had commented way earlier in the thread that life rafts and other really small vessels are painted orange to stick out over the white caps of the water.....

how much do you think that'll play a role in finding this thing if it is on the surface bobbing around?


Yes generally all lifesaving equipment is international orange.
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In reply to MarathonAg12 • 1:24p, 6/21/23
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MarathonAg12 said:
OceanGate previously received a number of warnings about its safety features. A former employee, who was sued by the company in 2018 and then counter-sued, wrote in his lawsuit that he had warned the company about a lack of testing of Titan's hull.

David Lochridge was fired by OceanGate in 2018, according to the lawsuits from OceanGate and Lochridge. OceanGate's lawsuit alleged that Lochridge breached his contract by revealing confidential information about the company to two other people.

According to both lawsuits, Lochridge was fired after a meeting over his concerns about the Titan. One of Lochridge's stances is that OceanGate should have done a scan of the Titan's hull instead of using acoustic monitoring, which is what the company's engineer said was better for finding flaws.


Sounds like the Hull finally imploded


If they are hearing banging from the sub after 4 days, it clearly didn't implode
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In reply to ATX_AG_08 • 1:25p, 6/21/23
I'm more concerned about the toilet. If it stops working, where are they pooping and peeing. What are they eating and drinking?
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In reply to 74OA • 1:25p, 6/21/23
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74OA said:
US Naval Institute: UPDATE.


One of the features of the OceanGate submersible is that the passengers were bolted inside, meaning that even if they were at the surface, they cannot escape, according to a report from CBS Sunday Morning.

Icing on the cake....

I'm just loling at the amount of galactic stupidity....truly, a Darwin level event
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 1:26p, 6/21/23
The banging could be the capsule banging around the wreckage
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In reply to jokershady • 1:26p, 6/21/23
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jokershady said:
bonfarr said:
Lake08 said:
So 3 scenarios, imo

Likelihood IMO:
At bottom of ocean (screwed) 40%
Tangled in the wreckage (screwed) 50%
Floating on top (best scenario)10%



Added my estimates on probability.


The likelihood of the vessel floating in the top of the water since Sunday or early Monday without being found seems remote to me. The Coast Guard and Navies are very good at spotting vessels adrift and they have been searching for days. Even with a large surface area to search I think they would have seen it by now.
even if it's painted white? someone had commented way earlier in the thread that life rafts and other really small vessels are painted orange to stick out over the white caps of the water.....

how much do you think that'll play a role in finding this thing if it is on the surface bobbing around?


Yes generally all lifesaving equipment is international orange
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1:27p, 6/21/23
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The literal darkness that would envelop them is unimaginable.
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In reply to MarathonAg12 • 1:31p, 6/21/23
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MarathonAg12 said:
The banging could be the capsule banging around the wreckage


The banging was at regular 30 minute intervals. Seems unlikely that is a random occurrence
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In reply to ATX_AG_08 • 1:32p, 6/21/23
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ATX_AG_08 said:
How does this thing regulate temperature? If they lost power how would they not be hypothermic at this point?
Great question. I was watching the ALVIN video yesterday and it said that the temperatures down there are about 2C and that they would have to have some sort of insulation over the exposed metal parts or else it would get extremely cold down there. If they lost power, they could have died of hypothermia long ago.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 1:33p, 6/21/23
Guitarsoup said:
MarathonAg12 said:
OceanGate previously received a number of warnings about its safety features. A former employee, who was sued by the company in 2018 and then counter-sued, wrote in his lawsuit that he had warned the company about a lack of testing of Titan's hull.

David Lochridge was fired by OceanGate in 2018, according to the lawsuits from OceanGate and Lochridge. OceanGate's lawsuit alleged that Lochridge breached his contract by revealing confidential information about the company to two other people.

According to both lawsuits, Lochridge was fired after a meeting over his concerns about the Titan. One of Lochridge's stances is that OceanGate should have done a scan of the Titan's hull instead of using acoustic monitoring, which is what the company's engineer said was better for finding flaws.


Sounds like the Hull finally imploded


If they are hearing banging from the sub after 4 days, it clearly didn't implode
They're simply hearing noises which could be from lots of things, no one knows or claims that it's banging from inside the sub.
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I find people's fascination with exploring the titanic in 2023……weird
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In reply to Old May Banker • 1:34p, 6/21/23
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Old May Banker said:
The literal darkness that would envelop them is unimaginable.
I went into a big cave in central texas with my son on a Cub scout trip a few months ago and the guide of the tour turned off all of the lights for about 30 seconds and it was the most terrifying feeling I have ever had. Literally zero light. It's hard to duplicate.
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1:36p, 6/21/23
Horizon Maritime having presser now.
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In reply to nai06 • 1:36p, 6/21/23
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nai06 said:
MarathonAg12 said:
The banging could be the capsule banging around the wreckage


The banging was at regular 30 minute intervals. Seems unlikely that is a random occurrence
Coast Guard could not confirm the "30 minute intervals" that people keep reporting on, so my guess is this is not true.
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1:38p, 6/21/23
However, U.S. Coast Guard Petty Officer 3rd Class (PO3) Briana Carter tells PEOPLE that those sounds have been "characterized as underwater noise."

"We don't have anything at this time indicating any implosion or banging," Carter says.

US Coast Guard Denies Hearing 'Banging Noises' or 'Implosion' as Search for 'Titan' Continues (msn.com)
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In reply to Old May Banker • 1:39p, 6/21/23
Old May Banker said:
The literal darkness that would envelop them is unimaginable.
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1:39p, 6/21/23
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Every other time they got lost they could communicate. My money is on catastrophic breach that ended as soon as it began
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1:40p, 6/21/23
For those poking fun at the controller used, NatGeo supplied this reference to the US Navy using xBox controllers to aim laser cannons and operate periscopes.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/military-contractor-just-went-ahead-and-used-xbox-controller-their-new-giant-laser-cannon-180952647/

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16333376/us-navy-military-xbox-360-controller

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In reply to MarathonAg12 • 1:41p, 6/21/23
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MarathonAg12 said:
I find people's fascination with exploring the titanic in 2023……weird


I'm fascinated by the Titanic story, ready everything I can on it, hell I enjoy the movie, but no way in hell I'd get into ANY submarine and go 2.5 miles underwater.
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In reply to fka ftc • 1:41p, 6/21/23
Some EOD units use similar things to operate their robots
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 1:41p, 6/21/23
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BadMoonRisin said:
Old May Banker said:
The literal darkness that would envelop them is unimaginable.
I went into a big cave in central texas with my son on a Cub scout trip a few months ago and the guide of the tour turned off all of the lights for about 30 seconds and it was the most terrifying feeling I have ever had. Literally zero light. It's hard to duplicate.
I first learned I had claustrophobia on a night dive when my light temporarily failed and my buddy diver had his back turned to me and I could not see his light. The panic was immediate.
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1:42p, 6/21/23
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I'll be very callous about this but why are we spending so much taxpayer money to try and find them? I told my daughter if it was a fishing charter or something routine then that is why the CG exists. This is an extreme adventure that went wrong. Another analogy would be snow skiing (normal) at say Breckenridge versus climbing Mount Everest. One has low risk and the other is extreme.
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In reply to fka ftc • 1:42p, 6/21/23
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I just wouldn't want it to be the only control I had available.
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1:45p, 6/21/23
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A stranded sub rescued in 1973 gives an idea what they might be going through. Not as deep obviously. The two guys laying cable in a mini sub were able to stretch out their oxygen an extra 12 hours by not moving or talking. Rescued with minutes to spare.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/titanic-submarine-titan-pisces-rescue-b2361606.html

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The ongoing race to find the group has led to comparisons with a successful mission to save two submariners trapped 150 miles off the coast of Ireland back in 1973.
Trump will fix it.
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1:45p, 6/21/23
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It seems that, even if the sub is found intact on the seafloor, that the window to actually effectuate some type of successful rescue is closing rapidly or is already closed.

It's going to be a fascinating ending to the story, whether they find the sub, find its remains, or never find it at all.

BTW, staff, thanks for cleaning up the thread and not deleting it. Some actual useful info to be found here.
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1:45p, 6/21/23
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I thought there was not a communications system on board?
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In reply to JaxDad • 1:46p, 6/21/23
JaxDad said:
I'll be very callous about this but why are we spending so much taxpayer money to try and find them? I told my daughter if it was a fishing charter or something routine then that is why the CG exists. This is an extreme adventure that went wrong. Another analogy would be snow skiing (normal) at say Breckenridge versus climbing Mount Everest. One has low risk and the other is extreme.
Yeah but if our child was on that "extreme adventure" we'd be asking why aren't we doing more in search efforts for Tommy.
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In reply to Keeper of The Spirits • 1:46p, 6/21/23
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Keeper of The Spirits said:
Imagine being stuck in there with your 19 year old kid. You have to consider trying to off yourself to buy your kid a few more minutes or maybe not. I imagine if they are still down there, its quite horrific
In complete darkness, freezing cold temperature, next to a graveyard full of people that died horrific deaths 111 years ago. Knowing that you have a 99.9% chance of suffocating or being crushed to death within the next few hours. While who knows what kind of awful smells, sounds and thoughts your shipmates are putting you through. They might even try to kill you to buy themselves more time. This might be worse than being buried alive.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 1:48p, 6/21/23
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Every other time they got lost they could communicate. My money is on catastrophic breach that ended as soon as it began
Me too, when this is all over I'll be shocked if it turns out to be anything other than it imploded early Sunday morning on the way down and killed them instantly.
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