Adventure to the Titanic goes terribly wrong [Staff Warning in OP]

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The multi-millionaire digital marketing tycoon found it concerning that the vessel was controlled by a modified Playstation controller.
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Outstanding summary. The hiring of junior engineers over any old white guys just adds another layer of stupid on this.
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They didn't report the sub missing until 8 hours after its last ping. Was that when it was supposed to resurface? Doesn't sound like they had a good emergency.

Also curious why this ping is only once every 15 minutes and not like every 5 seconds.

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"The basic problem is that the submersible, Titan, has stopped transmitting signals, making it almost impossible to locate. It is supposed to send a sonar 'ping' (radar and GPS not functioning underwater) to mothership Polar Prince every 15 minutes, but the last one was at 9.45am on Sunday an hour and 45 minutes into the dive as it was floating right above the Titanic.

For some reason, OceanGate Expeditions, the company that runs the tours of the Titanic, took eight hours to call the coastguard on Sunday."
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Banging sounds heard at regular intervals?

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Crenshaw probably should not be discussing classified information on Twitter, but maybe POTATUS declassed.

I am more concerned about the L3 and R3 enchanted "nipples". Cannot tell if it's from extreme cold or social pressure.
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one MEEN Ag said:

As a sidenote, a software guy with a bachelors degree from Random U should have never been leading design like this. There should have been a team of deeply experienced engineers with deep sea vessel experience leading this project. There should have been a picture of the DSV ALVIN with the words, 'When in doubt, build this" underneath it.
Like the guy they hired to lead it but fired when he kept telling them they were doing it wrong!
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What if this is all a very elaborate marketing gimmick for The Meg 2?
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We keep hearing about air, but did they bring 4 days of water for 5 people?
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bmks270 said:

We keep hearing about air, but did they bring 4 days of water for 5 people?


They had one sandwich and bottle of water per person with a single portable urinal on board.
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They are gonna pop back up in like an hour and wonder what all the fuss is about.
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A short clip from the earlier Youtube video...



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Professional Hitter said:

Great breakdown of what we know and possible design flaws by Sub Brief.


so this guy has a billion dollars.

and instead of hiring the best and most safe submarine which has been approved by various agencies-

instead chooses an experimental new submersible created by millennials who were never in the Navy.

yeah. that sounds like a brilliant decision.

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one of you guys on this thread had to create this video as a Babylon Bee spoof.

right?

spending a quarter million dollars to be led by a morbidly obese female down 13,000 feet to a dangerous wreck.

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do they sue the dead CEO's estate for negligence now?

"A former employee of OceanGate, the company whose submersible is now missing after diving toward the wreckage of the Titanic, warned in 2018 that the sub's safety could be compromised by poor "quality control and safety" protocols that "paying passengers would not be aware" of, a lawsuit says.

David Lochridge, OceanGate's former director of marine operations, alleged in August 2018 court filings that he was wrongfully terminated after raising concerns about the company's "refusal to conduct critical, non-destructive testing of the experimental design" of the Titan, the submersible that went missing Sunday.

The filings say that after OceanGate's CEO, Stockton Rush, asked Lochridge to do a quality inspection of the submersible, Lochridge developed grave concerns about a "lack of non-destructive testing performed on the hull of the Titan."

While completing the inspection, Lochridge said, he asked coworkers if anyone had formally scanned the materials being used to secure the vessel from the high-pressure environment. Lochridge said he was told that no such scans had been done; instead, he said, sound-based systems would check for flaws in the hull in real time in order to detect issues."
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Wow, what a clown operation.
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Are we sure it actually has 96 hours of oxygen and that's not just what Oceangate claimed?
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Not much detail in that, but looks like they were using Acoustic Emissions and maybe more conventional NDE was not used? To say it's related to the current failure would be pure speculation at this point. I'd be surprised if there wasn't an actual pressure/submersion test performed.

Disclaimer: I do not use or design subs.
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FAT SEXY said:

If it is/was a power issue and they've just been sitting for days, I really hope cooler heads have prevailed inside of that dark, cold tomb.

I have this wonder if anger has boiled over inside of there.


I also wonder this. If you have oxygen for 96 hours for five people, does someone lose it and start axing people to elongate that timeline?
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I would expect to be seeing the term "ROV" much more than "submersible" with regards to deep sea search and rescue. No way anyone is sending humans back down anytime soon.

I don't care if you are someone like Dan who performs well in high pressure situations. Eddie Aikau would NOT go, neither should anyone else.
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StandUpforAmerica said:

A short clip from the earlier Youtube video...






And now we find out the real reason why the sun was subpar.

And this is why American engineering is going to start failing.
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Nanomachines son said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

A short clip from the earlier Youtube video...






And now we find out the real reason why the sun was subpar.

And this is why American engineering is going to start failing.
The incompetence and arrogance is breathtaking. Go woke, go broke, and if your company works with harsh or unforgiving environments, people die.
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Dill-Ag13 said:

Are we sure it actually has 96 hours of oxygen and that's not just what Oceangate claimed?
Per the video on this thread that was just what Oceangate claimed. That does not appear to be a tested or verified claim
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I think all of the old white guys working on the search should bow out since the CEO wasn't interested in their expertise.
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can you imagine being stuck inside that thing and the panic that is ensuing with the people on board once they realized they were all screwed. Esp. if they're still alive and drifting with 96-hours of O2 to live (or whatever it is).
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agracer said:

can you imagine being stuck inside that thing and the panic that is ensuing with the people on board once they realized they were all screwed. Esp. if they're still alive and drifting with 96-hours of O2 to live (or whatever it is).


I was talking about that with my wife. What a truly horrible way to die.
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At MOST they probably have 30 hours left. Almost certainly less. They gone.
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G Martin 87 said:

Nanomachines son said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

A short clip from the earlier Youtube video...






And now we find out the real reason why the sun was subpar.

And this is why American engineering is going to start failing.
The incompetence and arrogance is breathtaking. Go woke, go broke, and if your company works with harsh or unforgiving environments, people die.
Wow! I personally would prefer a 50 year old ex military sub guy of any skin color to be in control when a crisis is occurring over some 25 year old inspirational newb. Like when flying, i always like to see gray hair in the cockpit.
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Texasclipper said:

G Martin 87 said:

Nanomachines son said:

StandUpforAmerica said:

A short clip from the earlier Youtube video...






And now we find out the real reason why the sun was subpar.

And this is why American engineering is going to start failing.
The incompetence and arrogance is breathtaking. Go woke, go broke, and if your company works with harsh or unforgiving environments, people die.
Wow! I personally would prefer a 50 year old ex military sub guy of any skin color to be in control when a crisis is occurring over some 25 year old inspirational newb. Like when flying, i always like to see gray hair in the cockpit.
Yep. Good judgment comes from experience, but experience comes from bad judgment. Unlike marketing light beer, people can die from bad judgment when flying or diving is involved.
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The viewport manufacturer would only certify to 1300m instead of the 4000m required because of the way the sub was constructed.

I would assume maybe they saw the glass crack and then milliseconds later were instantly killed.
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The submersible was made of new materials not used on a vehicle that can go to that depth, titanium and carbon fiber, to minimize weight. My FIL was an aerospace engineer and tells me those materials have different coefficients of expansion and if not mated given that that knowledge will lead to failure.

Also, as part of non destructive testing, they should have done a dye sublimation test under pressure that would reveal microscopic cracks in those materials and reveal potential failure points.

Yeah, he is an old white dude.
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Yup. Also should have done destructive testing to prove its capability.
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I can't imagine one scenario where the crew on this submersible can be rescued. There are only a handful of submersibles in the world that can get to that depth and even if they locate the Titan and send another submersible down to it there isn't a thing that can be done. Another craft can't tow it back to the surface so if the Titan has no power and can't drop ballast it's stuck there anyway.

I read that this company schedules 5 dives in a week on these tours and typically only 1 in 5 make it down to the Titanic. The other attempts are either aborted due to an equipment failure or weather or they go down and can't locate the wreckage.

Some day we will likely see footage of this submersible tangled up in the Titanic wreckage but it's likely never coming back up to the surface.
 
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