Yeah, I have been aware of Dersh since long before I was in law school school. Hell, when the ACLU Skokie stuff was happening. As much as the Nazi Marcho on a large Jewish community was repugnant, I really started to get the First Amendment and what what it stood for.

Speech may be repugnant to some but that is not the test. Speech is speech.

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If you represent Trump you are going to be asked to do illegal ****,

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Same as if you work for the DOJ or FBI, right? Why don't the FBI agents doing illegal **** go to jail?

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Because the Trump appointed head of the FBI sucks.

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We can agree with that, especially after he's corrupted by the left.

Lawyers like making $$$. Trump pays enough he can get good ones. There ain't nothing money can't buy.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Lawyers like making $$$. Trump pays enough up front he can get good ones. There ain't nothing money can't buy.

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fify.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Manhattan said:

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If you represent Trump you are going to be asked to do illegal ****,

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Same as if you work for the DOJ or FBI, right? Why don't the FBI agents doing illegal **** go to jail?

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The Biden administration likely commits hundreds of crimes everyday. If the DOJ wants to indict someone, they'll find an crime to pin on them no matter how obscure or actins taken wildly out of context. For some reason it's never Democrats that they're throwing against the wall.

If you go against the establishment, they'll fabricate evidence, publicly investigate you, impeach you for petty BS taken grossly out of context, stuff ballot boxes to defeat you, attack you relentlessly using the power of 95% of American news media, censor you, cut off your social media platforms, jail your attorney so they can get confidential information, threaten any new attorneys with disbarment if they represent you, then indict you at state and federal levels in extremely hostile venues with corrupt prosecutors and far left wing juries. They'll throw you in jail for process "crimes" that are really just political actions taken by many other officials in the past with zero legal issues. All to send a message, yet libs will defend this to the death.

I don't get why liberals are so in love with establishment corruption and tyranny. Will they ever wake up and realize they are being played? Propaganda is a hell of a drug, but at some point it has to be too much, right?

Trump has literally ruined the lives and careers of nearly every attorney that has represented him since 2016. Do some of you not realize that?

I don't really understand why anybody not related to him would ever agree to work for him. I think he has turned on literally everyone who has ever worked for him since 2016 that he isn't related to. You could not pay me enough to get into business with him, and I am guessing that there are a ton of others who have reached the same conclusion at this point.

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Trumps personal attorney, CFO, and campaign chair (among others) have all gone to prison for Trump.

Trump does not pay his debts.

Why would anyone work for him?

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This has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Flagged for derail.

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It has everything to do with this thread.

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Because the Trump appointed head of the FBI sucks.

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Yeah Wray does suck.

He has a boss, two in fact. You just might have heard of them? Doubtful since you do not follow news but their names are Merrick Garland and Joe Biden.

HTH.

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Who used to be his boss and didn't fire him? HTH.

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Can you take one thread off without attacking Trump and your perception of him?

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His assessment is not incorrect...

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Seeing as how he only hires the best people, and they keep on quiting on him; couldn't it just also be that he has no one left because of how he treats the ones he hires?

Also, he is known to not pay them if possible, so couldn't that also take into account his inability to get better lawyers?

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There have been NUMEROUS accounts of Trump throwing his own lawyers under the bus.

Let's start with Jeff Sessions and Willilam Barr.

but even his personal attorneys get demolished or are corrupt (see Michael Cohen).

Two attorneys representing former President Donald Trump in the Department of Justice's probe into his handling of classified documents abruptly quit Friday, less than a day after Trump was indicted on seven criminal charges, though the 2024 Republican presidential candidate has not publicly acknowledged the latest shakeup to his legal team.


June 9 Attorneys John Rowley and Jim Trusty said in a joint statement they will no longer represent Trump in either the classified documents case or an ongoing Justice Department investigation into his role in the January 6 insurrection, though they did not provide a reason for their departure other than to call it a "logical moment" to leave Trump's legal team.

May 17 Attorney Tim Parlatore who also represented Trump in Justice Department Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation into whether Trump mishandled classified White House documents after leaving officeresigned from Trump's legal team, calling the move "personal" and not a reflection of his "belief in the strength of the case," CNN and Politico reported.

February 16, 2021 Trump cut ties with personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, as the former New York City mayor faced multiple lawsuits over his alleged role in efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, including one filed against Trump and GiulianiGiuliani had been instrumental in Trump's unsuccessful bid to challenge the results of President Joe Biden's win in court.

January 31, 2021 Trump's lead impeachment lawyers abruptly resigned ahead of the former president's impeachment trial over allegations he incited the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol, reportedly leaving because of Trump's repeated and debunked claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.

January 5, 2021 Attorney Cleta Mitchell resigned from the law firm Foley & Lardner where she was a partner after she spoke on a call between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) in which the former president famously asked Raffensperger to "find" votes to overturn Biden's victory in the stateMitchell claimed she resigned due to "brazen attacks on conservatives and, most especially, anyone who supports and wants to help President Trump."

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Seeing as how he only hires the best people, and they keep on quiting on him; couldn't it just also be that he has no one left because of how he treats the ones he hires?

Also, he is known to not pay them if possible, so couldn't that also take into account his inability to get better lawyers?

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Dershowitz literally explained how the group went after him and what their stated purpose is.

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It's called base logic:

"A" can be true"

"B" can be true.

BOTH A and B can be true simultaneously.

it's not that hard to understand.

Attorney's lives are ruined by working for Trump, both because working for Trump is abysmal and because they face attacks from those who hate Trump.

Lol all things to criticize trump about is his blood sucking lawyers??? Wgas

Like they were forced to represent Trump ???

Who is this group of 65? Are their names public?

So the test for a defense attorney as to whether or not they should represent an accused individual is the attorney's pre-judgment of guilt or innocence?

"Being accused of beating your wife? Call Manhattan law firm today!!!! We will FIGHT for your freedoms and reputation!!!*

*Only if Manhattan, esq thinks you're innocent"

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Lawyers like making $$$. Trump pays enough he can get good ones. There ain't nothing money can't buy.

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Sometimes it is better to just post.

The ex CFO from Trump's company, after years of political attacking and digging on the company by biased NY DAs to find anything - anything at all - they could use to take out a politician they don't like, was finally taken out for not reporting some fringe benefits as income on a tax return many years ago.

the TDS-infected fake news left: REEEE TRUMP'S PEOPLE COMMIT CRIMES FOR HIM!!!!!

They have threatened to file bar charges against any such lawyers

What bar charges specifically?

Can't deny anyone counsel.

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They have threatened to file bar charges against any such lawyers

What bar charges specifically?

Can't deny anyone counsel.

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They'll relentlessly dig for dirt and throw **** against the wall to see what sticks. A professional character assassination similar to what they've done to DJT over the last seven years. When all of the organizations with the capability to hold you accountable are ideologically aligned with you and devoid of ethical boundaries, you can get away with just about anything. It's harassment and intimidation that they know for a certainty will go unpunished because liberals are rotten people that will do anything to win, no matter the legality or distastefulness.

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They have threatened to file bar charges against any such lawyers

What bar charges specifically?

Can't deny anyone counsel.

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Under DOJ guidance, they just make up whatever charges usually by weaving together various references to laws and their own internal guidance and then use the vague threats to keep lawyers and judges in line with the objectives that the Obama-Biden regime have laid out for them.

But the lawyer intimidation and grand jury ****nannery should sink this case. If not, then its just more fuel to the banana republic dumpster fire the libs have created.

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They have threatened to file bar charges against any such lawyers

What bar charges specifically?

Can't deny anyone counsel.

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it's pretty nefarious what they're doing. Lawyers have to sign pleadings they file on behalf of clients. Court dockets are all (generally put) publicly available. The practice of law is called "practice" because it's just that. It isn't perfect; cases all have their own complexities and nuances; at one point or another, lawyers just have to make judgement calls about what they think is best for their client. The justice system being what it is means that you don't always get the result you want or the result that you think is right.

So what these lunatics do is start by scouring a lawyer's history. Digging through pleadings and looking for places where the subject lawyer may not have gotten a good result for a client (and in the case of these lunatics, the bad result may even have been factors beyond the attorney's control). From there, they get in touch with the client that they assume will be upset and want to "get back at" their lawyer. From there, they get the case file for the client, perform an in depth review of the entire representation, prepare the proper grievance forms, and give very specific directions as to how to get them filed.

Their practice is "dirty" in the most extreme and unseemly sense of the word.

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There is a nefarious group that calls itself The 65 Project that has as its goal to intimidate lawyers into not representing Trump or anyone associated with him. They have threatened to file bar charges against any such lawyers. When these threats first emerged, I wrote an op-ed offering to defend pro bono any lawyers that The 65 Project goes after. So The 65 Project immediately went after me, and contrived a charge based on a case in which I was a constitutional consultant, but designed to send a message to potential Trump lawyers: if you defend Trump or anyone associated with him, we will target you and find something to charge you with. The lawyers to whom I spoke are fully aware of this threat and they are taking it seriously.

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https://hotair.com/headlines/2023/06/15/why-donald-trump-cant-get-a-top-tier-lawyer-n558203

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I heard about them but I thought their intended goal was only about lawyers who helped Trump overturn the 2020 election. I didn't realize it was just an ongoing all encompassing tirade against anyone representing Trump. Dershowitz is an astute legal mind...but he's also a shrewd one. I don't know if what he claims happened to him was related to the 2020 thing or completely separate.
Ultimately I have no idea if its legal or not to intimidate other attorneys if they are doing nothing nefarious...but I would certainly think so.

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He's probably not lying, but nobody can represent trump without committing crimes so if they represent trump, they should be reported to bar associations.

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Do they get representation? Or do they just need to go right to jail, too?

Or maybe straight to the boxcar. Your preferred M.O.

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Well, that's about as anti-American of a statement you could make. You think Trump is not owed his constitutional right to representation? This has to be a troll post.

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He absolutely does. He does not think that Trump is owed his constitutional rights.

It's outright lawfare. They're funded and they are doing anything they can to keep people (and especially firms) from representing trump for any reason.

It's really sleazy.

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It's outright lawfare. They're funded and they are doing anything they can to keep people (and especially firms) from representing trump for any reason.

It's really sleazy.

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It used to be the other way around. Lawyers were trying to steal other lawyer's clients. Especially high pofile clients. Not just keep lawyers from taking cases from specific clients.

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Just to be very clear.

We have Leftist users on here openly either defending or trying to mitigate a conspiracy to deprive an American citizen of their 6th Amendment rights.

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Truth

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MAGA = making attorneys get attorneys.

He "allegedly" wanted Corcoran to take boxes to his hotel room and pluck out the "bad" one.

He stiffs his attorneys.

Michael Cohen went Cooley Law School in Michigan. Every lawyer I know that went there is an idiot. It's basically an open door.

I don't know what happened to Alan D., but he's been a nut lately.

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Where did you go?

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It's outright lawfare. They're funded and they are doing anything they can to keep people (and especially firms) from representing trump for any reason.

It's really sleazy.

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It used to be the other way around. Lawyers were trying to steal other lawyer's clients. Especially high pofile clients. Not just keep lawyers from taking cases from specific clients.

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lol, now we need to revamp all the lawyer jokes.

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He's probably not lying, but nobody can represent trump without committing crimes so if they represent trump, they should be reported to bar associations.

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Holy $&#@! Did you honesty think that sounded intelligent before you typed it?