Texags: he's the president! He declassified them.

Witness: well actshuallly…

Texags: ?!?!?!?

Team Trump is waiting to play that card until this gets to the Supreme Court of United States. They want to keep that secret as long as possible. Strategic reasons.


Kidding of course. But some posters sure were convinced this would quickly go away because Trump declassified everything. Wonder if they will admit that was wrong?

Note: the indictment is not concerning classified documents. I think all this Presidential Records Act has more than enough gray area for a jury to think Trump did nothing wrong. (That is if it gets to a jury.). But if the feds can establish that Trump was hiding documents that were subpoenaed and asking people to delete tapes? It is much harder to explain that away. From a legal standpoint, I think this is where Trump has the most possibility of being in trouble. It's a good thing he has a favorable judge for this case! It's the cover-up that usually gets these politicians.

Ag with kids said:

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fka ftc said:

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Its funny to you this poor guy is having his life ruined for doing nothing more than helping his boss sort through mountains of presidential records sent to M-A-L by the Biden team which Biden team then weaponized NARA and the DOJ via the WH counsels office to persecute a political opponent.

Wow. Karma can be a ***** sometimes. May want to keep that in mind...

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Your typical knee jerk attacks on everyone fail here.

I'm on TRUMP'S side on this one.

This guy originally said Trump DID NOT do bad things. Now he says Trump DID do bad things. AFTER the government got him a lawyer.

Looks like his life is NOT being ruined once he changed his story to hurt Trump.

Should I think that's a good thing?

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He had an attorney. He was part of Trump's legal team (can't think of his name right now (ETA: his attorney was Stanley Woodward, and he's also Nauta's attorney)). Once he changed his story, his attorney now has a conflict of interest, so his attorney had to drop him. Then the government stepped in and got him a public defender.

Im Gipper said:

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Team Trump is waiting to play that card until this gets to the Supreme Court of United States. They want to keep that secret as long as possible. Strategic reasons.


Kidding of course. But some posters sure were convinced this would quickly go away because Trump declassified everything. Wonder if they will admit that was wrong?

Note: the indictment is not concerning classified documents. I think all this Presidential Records Act has more than enough gray area for a jury to think Trump did nothing wrong. (That is if it gets to a jury.). But if the feds can establish that Trump was hiding documents that were subpoenaed and asking people to delete tapes? It is much harder to explain that away. From a legal standpoint, I think this is where Trump has the most possibility of being in trouble. It's a good thing he has a favorable judge for this case! It's the cover-up that usually gets these politicians.

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Yes, this will go as quickly away as did the two bogus impeachments which lasted years and wasted the taxpayers' millions.

HTownAg98 said:

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fka ftc said:

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Its funny to you this poor guy is having his life ruined for doing nothing more than helping his boss sort through mountains of presidential records sent to M-A-L by the Biden team which Biden team then weaponized NARA and the DOJ via the WH counsels office to persecute a political opponent.

Wow. Karma can be a ***** sometimes. May want to keep that in mind...

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Your typical knee jerk attacks on everyone fail here.

I'm on TRUMP'S side on this one.

This guy originally said Trump DID NOT do bad things. Now he says Trump DID do bad things. AFTER the government got him a lawyer.

Looks like his life is NOT being ruined once he changed his story to hurt Trump.

Should I think that's a good thing?

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He had an attorney. He was part of Trump's legal team (can't think of his name right now). Once he changed his story, his attorney now has a conflict of interest, so his attorney had to drop him. Then the government stepped in and got him a public defender.

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Or did he realize that using a Trump-paid lawyer, along with watching Trump throw his people under the bus to save his own hide, finally sink in. Realizing he needs to tell the truth to save his own hide, he got his new lawyer. Are you sure that's now what happened?

Fido04 said:

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Have his lawyers brought up anything in regards to the PRA in court? When is that going to be adjudicated?

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Trump's lawyers brought it up in the Government's appeal of the Special Master Order issued by Cannon, in the Appellee's Brief, document 51. In an opinion of a three-judge panel (Pryor[GWB], Grant[DJT] and Brasher[DJT]) the Appellant Court did not find it persuasive, writing in their opinion:

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...[Plaintiff] argues that the Presidential Records Act gives
him a possessory interest in the seized documents. This argument
is unresponsive. Even if Plaintiff's statutory interpretation were
correct (a proposition that we neither consider nor endorse),
personal interest in or ownership of a seized document is not
synonymous with the need for its return.

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My understanding is that unresponsive means the Court does not see how the PRA addresses the issue as to whether or not Cannon's Order for a Special Master is warranted. While they do not adjudicate whether or not (or how) the PRA applies, they do determine that it is irrelevant.

Whether or not the seized documents are Trump's property (or even, how they became his property) does not affect the Government's right to investigate them. Just like if the cops raid a bookie and obtain his books through a properly executed warrant, the fact that those books were legally owned by the bookie doesn't matter (that is what the warrant is for).

But, you are correct if you want to say that the Court did not adjudicate what would appear to be Trump's interpretation of the PRA. I don't think Trump's lawyers are going to bring it up again though, considering how hard the Conservative Judge panel smacked down their brief. Read the opinion (including footnotes) if you want to do your own research and make up your own mind.

Weaponization of the executive branch.
Weaponization of judicial process; and
Usurping the political process.

All fundamental issues of a constitutional nature that should immediately be dealt with at the appellate level.

The roadshow tent circus is over capacity and the fire marshal sitting on his hands while kids play with matches under the bleachers.

Thats where we at.

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HTownAg98 said:

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fka ftc said:

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Its funny to you this poor guy is having his life ruined for doing nothing more than helping his boss sort through mountains of presidential records sent to M-A-L by the Biden team which Biden team then weaponized NARA and the DOJ via the WH counsels office to persecute a political opponent.

Wow. Karma can be a ***** sometimes. May want to keep that in mind...

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Your typical knee jerk attacks on everyone fail here.

I'm on TRUMP'S side on this one.

This guy originally said Trump DID NOT do bad things. Now he says Trump DID do bad things. AFTER the government got him a lawyer.

Looks like his life is NOT being ruined once he changed his story to hurt Trump.

Should I think that's a good thing?

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He had an attorney. He was part of Trump's legal team (can't think of his name right now). Once he changed his story, his attorney now has a conflict of interest, so his attorney had to drop him. Then the government stepped in and got him a public defender.

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Or did he realize that using a Trump-paid lawyer, along with watching Trump throw his people under the bus to save his own hide, finally sink in. Realizing he needs to tell the truth to save his own hide, he got his new lawyer. Are you sure that's now what happened?

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Both can be true. Once Taveras recanted, he's now an adversarial witness to Nauta, and Stanley Woodward, Taveras' then-attorney, is also representing Nauta. That's a conflict.

You have the timing off.

There was a hearing in DC District Court over the conflict of interest issue. The judge there appointed IT guy, public defender. It was after that meeting with the public defender that IT guy recanted his prior testimony

The 11th Court of Appeals said in its September ruling that "we cannot discern why Plaintiff would have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings...They are 'owned, produced for, or...under control of the United States government."

The PRA question, if it was even a serious question (I don't think it was), is probably pretty closed at this point. To the extent they want to argue Trump had an interest in the documents such that he was allowed to keep them, they'll need to do that at trial by introducing evidence and then getting the jury instruction they would need.

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You have the timing off.

There was a hearing in DC District Court over the conflict of interest issue. The judge there appointed IT guy, public defender. It was after that meeting with the public defender that IT guy recanted his prior testimony

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I believe part of what the government is saying that if his later testimony is truthful, there was always a conflict. It just wasn't known to the judge and government...that had he testified truthfully in the first place, it would have been obvious there was a conflict.

Yes, that is why they had a hearing on the potential conflict in the DC District Court.

HTownAg98 said:

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fka ftc said:

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Its funny to you this poor guy is having his life ruined for doing nothing more than helping his boss sort through mountains of presidential records sent to M-A-L by the Biden team which Biden team then weaponized NARA and the DOJ via the WH counsels office to persecute a political opponent.

Wow. Karma can be a ***** sometimes. May want to keep that in mind...

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Your typical knee jerk attacks on everyone fail here.

I'm on TRUMP'S side on this one.

This guy originally said Trump DID NOT do bad things. Now he says Trump DID do bad things. AFTER the government got him a lawyer.

Looks like his life is NOT being ruined once he changed his story to hurt Trump.

Should I think that's a good thing?

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He had an attorney. He was part of Trump's legal team (can't think of his name right now). Once he changed his story, his attorney now has a conflict of interest, so his attorney had to drop him. Then the government stepped in and got him a public defender.

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My understanding is this is not entirely correct. Yes, the IT guy (Teveras) and Nauta had the same lawyer (Woodward). Teveras denied under oath to the DC Grand Jury "that he had information about obstructive acts that would implicate Nauta (and others)." The Grand Jury had evidence this was not truthful (texts, I imagine).

The prosecutors requested a "Garcia Hearing", which allows the court to examine possible conflicts of interest that could arise when one lawyer is representing two clients in the same court. Here, the conflict being if Teveras did not correct his testimony, he would be guilty of perjury but if he did, he would implicate Nauta.

The Judge in the Garcia hearing decided there was a conflict, which allowed Teveras to chose a new lawyer. The court appointed a Public Defender, who advised Teveras to change his testimony (to align with other facts in the case), which implicated Nauta and De Oliveira (and Trump) in deleting, or attempting to delete, surveillance footage.

So, yes, Woodward was found to have a conflict of interest, but he did not drop Teveras after Teveras corrected his testimony. Woodward was dropped by the court before Teveras corrected his testimony because the court felt Woodward could not advise Teveras to avoid perjury without telling him to implicate Nauta, De Oliveira, and Trump. In addition, "the government" (prosecution) did not get him a public defender, but, rather, one was assigned by the court.

How long until Trump's bond gets revoked?

A) 2-3 months.
B) 3-6 months
C) October 2024
D) They won't revoke Trump's Bond.
E) Some other contingency where the issue will be moot.

Such impossibly bad takes on this case above, several by lawyers, its not even worth addressing.

Prosecution leads with its "best case" in the indictment. There case can only weaken from there. Key witness to circumstantial activity being pressured into changing their story is NOT a positive for Jackarse Smith.

It may ultimately be determined the PRA does not govern, but that has not been decided yet despite the attempt to mislead and say it has.

But it all will become moot due to the next bold prediction. This becomes part of Biden's impeachment inquiry and added to the pile of abuse of power by Biden admin. This targeting of Trump was begun within the White House and most of the evidence is out there. White House internal comms likely have a nice trail of how all this went down.

Grab your popcorn.

Another shoe has dropped today. SCO Smith obtained permission Ex parte in DC to refer to information from the sealed proceedings in DC - but didn’t mention that in its Reply.
There is a reason for that, and the reason reveals even more that the SCO is willing to act… https://t.co/bxtgno9cyh

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) August 26, 2023

BREAKING: White House visitor logs show that special counsel Jack Smith’s top aid met with Biden staffers just weeks before Smith’s indictment of Trump.

They’re scheming in broad daylight and they don’t even care.

On March 31, 2023, deputy chief of staff for the White House… pic.twitter.com/0AQ4osUpdG

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) August 26, 2023

Procedural rules does not outweigh substantive law when it pertains to fundamental constitutional issues of first impression like the issues we are dealing with in these Trump cases.

How many different ways can I make the same point until y'all decide to come to Jesus on this?

How many?

Sounds a lot like the meetings with Obama before Russia lies started, which led to a fraudulent fisa warrant to spy on the future president.

I like the state of Georgia. They seem to a LAW AND ORDER state

Biden had documents from his Senate and VP days but that Special Counsel is uninterested.

My bad.

What does that have to do with trump getting indicted for classified docs?

will25u said:

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BREAKING: White House visitor logs show that special counsel Jack Smith’s top aid met with Biden staffers just weeks before Smith’s indictment of Trump.

They’re scheming in broad daylight and they don’t even care.

On March 31, 2023, deputy chief of staff for the White House… pic.twitter.com/0AQ4osUpdG

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) August 26, 2023

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Well. they did it in 2015-2016 and the same people are back in power. Water is wet.

Yuscil Taveras, the IT worker who changed/recanted testimony about deleting secueitu camera footage, appears to have reached a cooperation agreement with the special counsel.

He won't be charged, but rather will testify as a prosecution witness at trial.

TXAggie2011 said:

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Yuscil Taveras, the IT worker who changed/recanted testimony about deleting secueitu camera footage, appears to have reached a cooperation agreement with the special counsel.

He won't be charged, but rather will testify as a prosecution witness at trial.

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Not surprising. Have to manufacture a distraction with Hunter Biden being indicted at the end of the month.

Also, if he had anything damning to say it would have already been leaked. Just more smoke and mirrors to keep the Trump Haterz salivating.

TXAggie2011 said:

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Yuscil Taveras, the IT worker who changed/recanted testimony about deleting secueitu camera footage, appears to have reached a cooperation agreement with the special counsel.

He won't be charged, but rather will testify as a prosecution witness at trial.

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YT: Nothing happened.

DOJ: You're lying. We're going to charge you with perjury. UNLESSSSSSS...you recant that testimony and "tell us the truth".

YT: Uh...well...***** Ok. Don't really want to go to jail over this. Ok. Trump is guilty.

DOJ: Since you said that, we can hold off on that perjury charge...(for now)

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TXAggie2011 said:

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Yuscil Taveras, the IT worker who changed/recanted testimony about deleting secueitu camera footage, appears to have reached a cooperation agreement with the special counsel.

He won't be charged, but rather will testify as a prosecution witness at trial.

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Not surprising. Have to manufacture a distraction with Hunter Biden being indicted at the end of the month.

Also, if he had anything damning to say it would have already been leaked. Just more smoke and mirrors to keep the Trump Haterz salivating.

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We already know the general gist of what he said. It wasn't even leaked, it was in court documents.

Got him. Trump definitely guilty of spying… I mean violating the Espionage Act of 1876.

Jim Jordan wants the records between Jack Smith and Stanley Woodward regarding Smith dangling a judgeship if he could get his clients to flip.

Did we have anyone recently who flipped on Trump? Smoke and smoke and smoke, me thinks there is some fire regarding Joe and Corrupt DOJ.

Election interference at its finest.

Thanks 81 million Biden voters!!

https://instagr.am/p/Cvz7JxmOYFI

Anybody still of the mind that the executive branch and judicial branch must be weaponized against political opponents in order to protect democracy?

Is this where we at?

Somebody let me know.

Cannon has issued her ruling on document inspection. Team Trump did not get their wish to inspect at MAL:

JUST IN: Judge Cannon has signed an order to govern the handling of classified info in the Trump documents case.

It's the product of a sealed hearing she led yesterday and includes explicit restrictions on what Trump can do with classified info.https://t.co/MfffRg63Vz pic.twitter.com/isAfgMJLPe

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) September 13, 2023

Im Gipper said:

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Cannon has issued her ruling on document inspection. Team Trump did not get their wish to inspect at MAL:

JUST IN: Judge Cannon has signed an order to govern the handling of classified info in the Trump documents case.

It's the product of a sealed hearing she led yesterday and includes explicit restrictions on what Trump can do with classified info.https://t.co/MfffRg63Vz pic.twitter.com/isAfgMJLPe

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) September 13, 2023

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Since it doesn't give any requirement for WHERE the government SCIF must be located, it appears the government could set up a SCIF in an underground tunnel in Antarctica and it would meet the order. As long as it was open during normal business hours...

Somehow I think the government will ensure that the SCIF access is as difficult as they can legally make it...

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Will they use Peter Strzok's FBI protection squad to keep Trump from hurting... their feelings?