Trump indicted over classified documents

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In reply to Logos Stick • 10:15a, 6/11/23
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Logos Stick said:
Manhattan said:
Logos Stick said:
It seems Trumps ego got in the way and blinded him to the fact that there are two sets of justice now, one for conservatives and one for leftists. This despite the fact that he was subjected to it during his presidency.

He thought that because Hillary broke the law and got away with it, he could too, despite knowing how corrupt the left is. If this were a Dem pres and conservative DOJ, the raid would not have taken place and the whole matter would have dropped.

I totally get it. Pride and anger is a big motivator.

The country is irrevocably broken. All the radical liberals in this thread celebrating this are simply more proof of that.


this situation right now is the reason Hillary wasn't prosecuted, she would have been acquitted and you wouldn't be able to use the Hillary defense right now.


Nonsense.

Hillary would have been convicted by a non biased jury. She broke the law, the FBI said she did.

She even destroyed evidence.
Depends on the venue. If tried in the federal district that includes Chappaqua where the server was located, she could have easily been convicted. A DC jury? Doubtful she would have been convicted there.

Saw that in the Ted Stevens case. Venue should have been in Alaska since most if not all of the allegations happened there. But instead it was tried in DC.
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:16a, 6/11/23
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Well republicans would never nominate a black man so that is not the case.

Why can't you address the fact that he was waving around war planning documents to randos, for clout, and had nuclear secrets, possibly in his bathroom.
Flagged.

No evidence of nuclear secrets being in his bathroom. BTW - Bathroom maybe only lockable door with space after closets and performance stage were filled up.

The question you may want to ask is why the Biden admin ignored precedent and instead of sending the docs to a NARA facility sent them to Mar-a-Lago. Trump didn't send them there, he was already out of office.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:17a, 6/11/23
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Logos Stick said:
Manhattan said:
Logos Stick said:
It seems Trumps ego got in the way and blinded him to the fact that there are two sets of justice now, one for conservatives and one for leftists. This despite the fact that he was subjected to it during his presidency.

He thought that because Hillary broke the law and got away with it, he could too, despite knowing how corrupt the left is. If this were a Dem pres and conservative DOJ, the raid would not have taken place and the whole matter would have dropped.

I totally get it. Pride and anger is a big motivator.

The country is irrevocably broken. All the radical liberals in this thread celebrating this are simply more proof of that.


this situation right now is the reason Hillary wasn't prosecuted, she would have been acquitted and you wouldn't be able to use the Hillary defense right now.


Nonsense.

Hillary would have been convicted by a non biased jury. She broke the law, the FBI said she did.

She even destroyed evidence.
Depends on the venue. If tried in the federal district that includes Chappaqua where the server was located, she could have easily been convicted. A DC jury? Doubtful she would have been convicted there.

Saw that in the Ted Stevens case. Venue should have been in Alaska since most if not all of the allegations happened there. But instead it was tried in DC.


Of course, that's why I said non biased.

DC juries will not convict the Dem political class. Sussman is the most recent example.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:18a, 6/11/23
Dersh gives me hope SCOTUS will ultimately rule selective investigation and targeted prosecution violate the US Constitution - as it most certainly does as example in plenty of cases regarding laws prosecuted against specific classes of citizens.

Democrats continue to show they are not the smartest people in the room.
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In reply to fka ftc • 10:19a, 6/11/23
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The question you may want to ask is why the Biden admin ignored precedent and instead of sending the docs to a NARA facility sent them to Mar-a-Lago. Trump didn't send them there, he was already out of office.


lmao.
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In reply to fka ftc • 10:20a, 6/11/23
It's not selective if trump is the only one waving around war planning documents and having nuclear secrets, possibly in his shower.
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:21a, 6/11/23
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fka ftc said:

The question you may want to ask is why the Biden admin ignored precedent and instead of sending the docs to a NARA facility sent them to Mar-a-Lago. Trump didn't send them there, he was already out of office.


lmao.
Why laughing, that is what happened.
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:22a, 6/11/23
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It's not selective if trump is the only one waving around war planning documents and having nuclear secrets, possibly in his shower.
Flagged. You are simply trolling the board making **** up. Cut it out.
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In reply to fka ftc • 10:22a, 6/11/23
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fka ftc said:
Manhattan said:
Well republicans would never nominate a black man so that is not the case.

Why can't you address the fact that he was waving around war planning documents to randos, for clout, and had nuclear secrets, possibly in his bathroom.
Flagged.

No evidence of nuclear secrets being in his bathroom. BTW - Bathroom maybe only lockable door with space after closets and performance stage were filled up.

The question you may want to ask is why the Biden admin ignored precedent and instead of sending the docs to a NARA facility sent them to Mar-a-Lago. Trump didn't send them there, he was already out of office.
BUT!!!!!

We have a picture of BOXES!!!! That's PROOF!

Just like that earlier picture that showed CLASSIFIED FILE COVERS proved those were classified documents...
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In reply to Ag with kids • 10:25a, 6/11/23
He had nuclear secrets, he had classified material in his bathroom.

Definitely a possibility as I stated.

Is it hard realizing your orange idol is this dumb? We all knew Biden was this dumb when we voted for him, but knew he was better than the alternative.
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10:26a, 6/11/23
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BTW...

So, we have Trump on tape supposedly talking about "classified" documents.

A few questions...

a) Do prosecutors have to prove that he actually had a classified document and if so, which one?
b) Given Trump's proclivity for bull****ting and exaggeration, would a defense of "he was full of **** and just bragging and the document wasn't classified" be possible? Especially if they can't identify the exact document he was supposedly referring to...
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:26a, 6/11/23
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Manhattan said:
He had nuclear secrets, he had classified material in his bathroom.

Definitely a possibility as I stated.

Is it hard realizing your orange idol is this dumb? We all knew Biden was this dumb when we voted for him, but knew he was better than the alternative.
What nuclear secrets? What classified material was in his bathroom?
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In reply to Ag with kids • 10:27a, 6/11/23
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fka ftc said:
Manhattan said:
Well republicans would never nominate a black man so that is not the case.

Why can't you address the fact that he was waving around war planning documents to randos, for clout, and had nuclear secrets, possibly in his bathroom.
Flagged.

No evidence of nuclear secrets being in his bathroom. BTW - Bathroom maybe only lockable door with space after closets and performance stage were filled up.

The question you may want to ask is why the Biden admin ignored precedent and instead of sending the docs to a NARA facility sent them to Mar-a-Lago. Trump didn't send them there, he was already out of office.
BUT!!!!!

We have a picture of BOXES!!!! That's PROOF!

Just like that earlier picture that showed CLASSIFIED FILE COVERS proved those were classified documents...
That 76yo Trump, who the left has always quipped is overweight, not fit, can barely walk down a ramp is the one who moved countless boxes from the White House.

Boxes he packed himself during the same time period he was plotting to overthrow the government, then ran back over to the White House and is on camera stuffing all these boxes onto Marine Once for a hop to Andrews where he is again shown to load the boxes into the belly of AF1 on Jan 21, 2021 and then in Florida loaded the boxes into the motorcade for transfer to his personal residence, where he knowingly stuffed the boxes into a bathroom, locked storage closet, unused auditorium, etc.

Nevermind that the personal residence and private areas of where these documents were stored were guarded by Secret Service detail and 24/7 recorded CCTV surveillance.

Man, is Trump a mastermind or what!
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In reply to Ag with kids • 10:27a, 6/11/23
One question.

How can anyone support Trump in the primary after that tape?
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In reply to fka ftc • 10:28a, 6/11/23
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For those claiming "whataboutism" and "they should be prosecuted too" whenever someone references the crimes of Biden, Obama, Clintons, etc and the selective persecution of DJT vs others.

Close you eyes and imagine if Trump were black and not orange. I assume all our resident racist Democrats would continue to cheer the persecution of a Black POTUS vs letting all his "white" peers go free.

Dershowitz brought this up on Bartiromo this morning and it fits. Perfectly fits. Trump is being investigated, prosecuted, and persecuted based on his name and skin color. Period.

Dersh also pointed out as has been pointed out previously that "showing" a document is not the same as "letting someone read" or "providing someone a copy" of the document. The Espionage Act is going to require that and Smith knows he does not have that, but included to make the other charges look "scary".

Cheering this persecution on is simply unAmerican. Make note of people who do as they will ultimately be on the WRONG side of history and what it means to be a Patriot.
Literally, any other person did what he did and they would have been in prison months ago.
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In reply to Ag with kids • 10:30a, 6/11/23
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Manhattan said:
He had nuclear secrets, he had classified material in his bathroom.

Definitely a possibility as I stated.

Is it hard realizing your orange idol is this dumb? We all knew Biden was this dumb when we voted for him, but knew he was better than the alternative.
What nuclear secrets? What classified material was in his bathroom?
Important to note that the indictment presents a one-sided account of the prosecutors best case. From that point forward, the case is only weakened as more evidence is produced by the defense and legal arguments are made for defense.

There is a BIG reason the PRA is not referenced in the indictment. Smith knows it can blow a huge hole in the case. It quite likely makes all the evidence they have fruit of the poisonous tree from the illegal raid and the illegal seizure of attorney-client communications.
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:30a, 6/11/23
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Considering it's political persecution over declassifying papers in a petty process matter, many will.

Try talking to someone on the street about the Executive Branch declassifying papers without referring to your phone. It's that lost in minutiae.
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In reply to boboguitar • 10:31a, 6/11/23
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fka ftc said:
For those claiming "whataboutism" and "they should be prosecuted too" whenever someone references the crimes of Biden, Obama, Clintons, etc and the selective persecution of DJT vs others.

Close you eyes and imagine if Trump were black and not orange. I assume all our resident racist Democrats would continue to cheer the persecution of a Black POTUS vs letting all his "white" peers go free.

Dershowitz brought this up on Bartiromo this morning and it fits. Perfectly fits. Trump is being investigated, prosecuted, and persecuted based on his name and skin color. Period.

Dersh also pointed out as has been pointed out previously that "showing" a document is not the same as "letting someone read" or "providing someone a copy" of the document. The Espionage Act is going to require that and Smith knows he does not have that, but included to make the other charges look "scary".

Cheering this persecution on is simply unAmerican. Make note of people who do as they will ultimately be on the WRONG side of history and what it means to be a Patriot.
Literally, any other person did what he did and they would have been in prison months ago.



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In reply to fka ftc • 10:31a, 6/11/23
The time to argue pra was when they were subpoenaed.
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In reply to boboguitar • 10:31a, 6/11/23
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fka ftc said:
For those claiming "whataboutism" and "they should be prosecuted too" whenever someone references the crimes of Biden, Obama, Clintons, etc and the selective persecution of DJT vs others.

Close you eyes and imagine if Trump were black and not orange. I assume all our resident racist Democrats would continue to cheer the persecution of a Black POTUS vs letting all his "white" peers go free.

Dershowitz brought this up on Bartiromo this morning and it fits. Perfectly fits. Trump is being investigated, prosecuted, and persecuted based on his name and skin color. Period.

Dersh also pointed out as has been pointed out previously that "showing" a document is not the same as "letting someone read" or "providing someone a copy" of the document. The Espionage Act is going to require that and Smith knows he does not have that, but included to make the other charges look "scary".

Cheering this persecution on is simply unAmerican. Make note of people who do as they will ultimately be on the WRONG side of history and what it means to be a Patriot.
Literally, any other person did what he did and they would have been in prison months ago.
Literally no one who has done the same thing is sitting in prison from Sandy Berger to General Patreus to HRC to Biden himself.

Start citing cases similar to Trump that resulted in the prosecution of a former POTUS.
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In reply to boboguitar • 10:32a, 6/11/23
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fka ftc said:
For those claiming "whataboutism" and "they should be prosecuted too" whenever someone references the crimes of Biden, Obama, Clintons, etc and the selective persecution of DJT vs others.

Close you eyes and imagine if Trump were black and not orange. I assume all our resident racist Democrats would continue to cheer the persecution of a Black POTUS vs letting all his "white" peers go free.

Dershowitz brought this up on Bartiromo this morning and it fits. Perfectly fits. Trump is being investigated, prosecuted, and persecuted based on his name and skin color. Period.

Dersh also pointed out as has been pointed out previously that "showing" a document is not the same as "letting someone read" or "providing someone a copy" of the document. The Espionage Act is going to require that and Smith knows he does not have that, but included to make the other charges look "scary".

Cheering this persecution on is simply unAmerican. Make note of people who do as they will ultimately be on the WRONG side of history and what it means to be a Patriot.
Literally, any other person did what he did and they would have been in prison months ago.

Name one.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 10:33a, 6/11/23
Reality Winner.
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:34a, 6/11/23
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The time to argue pra was when they were subpoenaed.
Who says they weren't? Obama is still arguing these things over his documents. W fought information releases for YEARS and I believe there is still ongoing decisions regarding documents, particularly related to 09/11 and Iraq / Afghan wars.

NARA was instructed by WH counsel to go involve the DOJ, which was highly inappropriate and likely not legal.

You do not argue such things at this level. This isn't suing someone for you neighbors dog peeing on your roses.
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:34a, 6/11/23
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It's going to trial anyway lol, why does this matter?
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In reply to fka ftc • 10:35a, 6/11/23
Because all his good lawyers quit years ago.
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It's going to trial anyway lol, why does this matter?


Because assuming the tape isn't some fabrication, anyone still supporting trump at this point is a traitor.
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It's going to trial anyway lol, why does this matter?
I would not bet on that. I think this winds up at SCOTUS way before an actual trial. Again, there are essentially conflicting laws / acts that apply and that SHOULD be sorted before any trial.
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:36a, 6/11/23
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Idk man didn't a partner at Cadwalader join his defense for the Manhattan show trial? To say he's completely in the legal dark doesn't exactly follow.
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:38a, 6/11/23
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Because all his good lawyers quit years ago.
Its coming out that his lawyers are being threatened by the DOJ to drop from the case or they will also be looked into by the DOJ. Hence why none of them are talking about why they left.

Also, horses for courses. With these stakes, your old friend and buddy the family attorney is not going to have the knowledge in specific areas.

I regularly do business with 5 different attorneys. A business attorney, a business litigator, a construction defense attorney, a criminal attorney, and a government affairs attorney. Its common for matters to be transferred between them depending on where an issue is and just as common for them to recommend handing it to yet another attorney.

Its clear you are not experienced in these areas.
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Idk man didn't a partner at Cadwalader join his defense for the Manhattan show trial? To say he's completely in the legal dark doesn't exactly follow.


That case isn't over some light treason.
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How many attorneys have quit on him over the years, the guy is a disaster, in this very case he tried to commit crimes with his attorney!

Do you ask your five law firms to do illegal **** for you? I assume not.
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In reply to Manhattan • 10:43a, 6/11/23
Manhattan said:
the_batman26 said:
Idk man didn't a partner at Cadwalader join his defense for the Manhattan show trial? To say he's completely in the legal dark doesn't exactly follow.


That case isn't over some light treason.
If they had the goods for treason, they would charge him as it is one of the only disqualifiers for being POTUS.

So again, quit trolling with lies.
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Manhattan said:
Because all his good lawyers quit years ago.
Its coming out that his lawyers are being threatened by the DOJ to drop from the case or they will also be looked into by the DOJ. Hence why none of them are talking about why they left.

Also, horses for courses. With these stakes, your old friend and buddy the family attorney is not going to have the knowledge in specific areas.

I regularly do business with 5 different attorneys. A business attorney, a business litigator, a construction defense attorney, a criminal attorney, and a government affairs attorney. Its common for matters to be transferred between them depending on where an issue is and just as common for them to recommend handing it to yet another attorney.

Its clear you are not experienced in these areas.
Is there video/audio of these threats? A link would be greatly appreciated.
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In reply to fka ftc • 10:45a, 6/11/23
It's a meme, chill out.

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In reply to Manhattan • 10:45a, 6/11/23
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How many attorneys have quit on him over the years, the guy is a disaster, in this very case he tried to commit crimes with his attorney!

Do you ask your five law firms to do illegal **** for you? I assume not.
Alleged is missing from all your accusations. Discussing with your attorney what is legal v illegal is not the same as instructing your attorney to commit illegal acts.

I am not answering the last question. What I discuss with my attorneys is "privileged and confidential" a concept protected by laws and years upon years of judicial precedent.
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