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A report came out this week, 41% of black males support Trump.

Former President Donald Trump is picking up support in The Bronx, one of New York City's bluest areas. NEWSMAX correspondent Cara Castronuova spoke with residents to find out why.@CaraCastronuova pic.twitter.com/XjGPxTcYWP

— NEWSMAX (@NEWSMAX) November 30, 2023

This doesn't support your narrative. They want Trump policies. RDS isn't on their radar.

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I think you actually believe that which is amazing.

If DeSantis wins Iowa then game is on....

Not going to happen but would make it interesting and shut me up.

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If DeSantis wins Iowa then game is on....

Not going to happen but would make it interesting and shut me up.

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If Trump wins Iowa, especially by 10 points or more, I also think it's over. We will know in about 45 days.

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willtackleforfood said:

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A report came out this week, 41% of black males support Trump.

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I seem to recall this same reported sentiment in 2020…

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Yup
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/29/rasmussen-31-likely-black-voters-support-president/

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The daily tracking poll found 31% of likely Black voters would vote for Mr. Trump if the election were held today, ticking up steadily from 27% on Monday and 30% on Tuesday and Wednesday.

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Reality:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

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Biden received the support of 92% of Black voters, nearly the same as Clinton received in 2016 and Democratic candidates for the U.S. House received in 2018.

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15 Trump Voters in 2016 Who Voted Biden in 2020

Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election by winning back independent voters that voted for Trump in 2016.

In some key swing states, the margin of victory for Biden was small, by just a few thousand, but nonetheless, they went with Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Common perception now is that, given the choice between Trump and Biden in 2024, swing voters will go for Biden again.

Republican voters don't want to acknowledge that but it very well may prove to be true. Once lost, it is very difficult for politicians to get voters back. In Trump's case, it is mostly self-inflicted. He continues to talk about the 2020 election being stolen and that is something independent voters have moved on from. Voters look forward, not backwards. They are ready for him to move on but he seems incapable of doing so.

The Washington Post conducted a small focus group consisting of 15 swing voters who all voted for Trump in 2016 and for Biden in 2020.

None want a Trump-Biden re-match.

Most do not want Biden to run again but despite that fact, they will choose Biden over Trump if that is the choice.

They all said that Biden is too old and feeble to do the job. They all described themselves as concerned and worried about facing a re-match. Some even claim to be panicked by the possibility. Of the fifteen, only three said they would go back to Trump and vote for him

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81,000,000 votes for Biden, took weeks to count 'em.

Trump received more votes than any sitting president and still lost by 7 million votes. We all agree these are legitimate voters else we are cowards for not stopping a steal. Something about good men doing nothing…


Since 2020, +8,000,000 new voters have crossed our borders. Is the Republican Party done?

Independents don't like Desanris, has nothing to do with Trump. He sucks as a candidate and his policies are the same as Trump, he traveled to every county in Iowa just like BETO did in Texas against Ted. The results will be the same. Dude has no sense of awareness.

Trump, I don't like how he is being railroaded in the courts by the left. I haven't listen to one of his speeches in years but if I vote, it will be for Trump.

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Translation: I will vote for Trump because MUH FEELZ!!!!

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Not sure I agree that his political career is over…but I do think his presidential run was 4 years too early…

I do agree that there's a chance he winds up 3rd in the primaries…the only candidate surging right now is Haley…

DeSantis is a good man, and his ideas very much align with my political stances…he just isn't viable for 2024 with Trump in play…

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Fair enough.

Maybe he should have waited.

Because after Trump got beaten yet again and we had 4 more years of Dem control, people would be begging for someone competent.

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A report came out this week, 41% of black males support Trump.

Former President Donald Trump is picking up support in The Bronx, one of New York City's bluest areas. NEWSMAX correspondent Cara Castronuova spoke with residents to find out why.@CaraCastronuova pic.twitter.com/XjGPxTcYWP

— NEWSMAX (@NEWSMAX) November 30, 2023

This doesn't support your narrative. They want Trump policies. RDS isn't on their radar.

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And Trump will lose the NYC vote by about 50%...

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15 Trump Voters in 2016 Who Voted Biden in 2020

Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election by winning back independent voters that voted for Trump in 2016.

In some key swing states, the margin of victory for Biden was small, by just a few thousand, but nonetheless, they went with Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020. Common perception now is that, given the choice between Trump and Biden in 2024, swing voters will go for Biden again.

Republican voters don't want to acknowledge that but it very well may prove to be true. Once lost, it is very difficult for politicians to get voters back. In Trump's case, it is mostly self-inflicted. He continues to talk about the 2020 election being stolen and that is something independent voters have moved on from. Voters look forward, not backwards. They are ready for him to move on but he seems incapable of doing so.

The Washington Post conducted a small focus group consisting of 15 swing voters who all voted for Trump in 2016 and for Biden in 2020.

None want a Trump-Biden re-match.

Most do not want Biden to run again but despite that fact, they will choose Biden over Trump if that is the choice.

They all said that Biden is too old and feeble to do the job. They all described themselves as concerned and worried about facing a re-match. Some even claim to be panicked by the possibility. Of the fifteen, only three said they would go back to Trump and vote for him

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81,000,000 votes for Biden, took weeks to count 'em.

Trump received more votes than any sitting president and still lost by 7 million votes. We all agree these are legitimate voters else we are cowards for not stopping a steal. Something about good men doing nothing…


Since 2020, +8,000,000 new voters have crossed our borders. Is the Republican Party done?

Independents don't like Desanris, has nothing to do with Trump. He sucks as a candidate and his policies are the same as Trump, he traveled to every county in Iowa just like BETO did in Texas against Ted. The results will be the same. Dude has no sense of awareness.

Trump, I don't like how he is being railroaded in the courts by the left. I haven't listen to one of his speeches in years but if I vote, it will be for Trump.

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Translation: I will vote for Trump because MUH FEELZ!!!!

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Ding, ding, ding!!! People usually blame others for attributes they're actually guilty of. The Trump crowd is the worst about that.

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If DeSantis wins Iowa then game is on....

Not going to happen but would make it interesting and shut me up.

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If Trump wins Iowa, especially by 10 points or more, I also think it's over. We will know in about 45 days.

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If Trump wins Iowa, my prepping goes into overdrive.

Because it hands the WH to Biden or Newsom.

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I'm doing all I can for it not to be so, first candidate I have donated to in decades. That said I am a realist and the Dems, the Establishment, and the Trump loyalists are all against him and leading us to another Dem in the WH for different reasons.

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A report came out this week, 41% of black males support Trump.

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I seem to recall this same reported sentiment in 2020…

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Yup
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/29/rasmussen-31-likely-black-voters-support-president/

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The daily tracking poll found 31% of likely Black voters would vote for Mr. Trump if the election were held today, ticking up steadily from 27% on Monday and 30% on Tuesday and Wednesday.

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https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

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Biden received the support of 92% of Black voters, nearly the same as Clinton received in 2016 and Democratic candidates for the U.S. House received in 2018.

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Yep, we heard this before and it was BS then and it is still BS.

Yes, Trump would likely do slightly better with black males, mostly non-urban black males, but it is statistically irrelevant. Many of those black males are in Republican states so their vote won't affect the outcome. The ones in Democrat states are also meaningless because they won't affect the outcome there either.

It would be like saying, "look, Trump is polling 2% better in California" than any Republican in 30 years. He would still lose California by a wide margin. And then MAGA will claim it was stolen by Dominion and that Trump won California just like they claim he did in 2020.

Black women will continue to vote almost 100% Democrat, and given that black society is very much a matriarchal society, they will make sure their men vote the correct way.

Dems got 39% of the white vote in 2016 and 43% in 2020.

They'll gladly trade the increase from the largest demographic for a marginal increase from a much smaller demographic.

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Dems got 39% of the white vote in 2016 and 43% in 2020.

They'll gladly trade the increase from the largest demographic for a marginal increase from a much smaller demographic.

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This. It's about the Suburban vote. You aren't going to be able to flip the other groups in large enough numbers to compete with losing a few points among that group.

Dems understand this. DeSantis understands this. Trump folks telling you otherwise are idiots or grifters.

Very long article but there are a lot of different things at play going on

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Imagine this: January 20, 2025. Donald Trump has just been sworn in as president again. He didn't steal the election; no frivolous lawsuits in swing states. He won fair and square, buoyed by historic levels of support from Black and Latino voters.

And that's not all: Trump's gains aren't limited to GOP-leaning states like Florida and Texas. They appear everywhere a scary harbinger for Democrats of things to come: a generational realignment that sees Republicans building a multiracial working-class coalition that hands them control of the White House for years to come.

That's one future envisioned by Patrick Ruffini, a Republican pollster and strategist, in his book Party of the People: Inside the Multiracial Populist Coalition Remaking the GOP.

The dream starts from a very real place: 2020 was (or at least should have been) a wake-up call for Democrats. Trump improved on his 2016 performance with a host of nonwhite voters, most dramatically cutting into the traditional advantage Democrats have had with Latino and Hispanic voters. Those gains were most obvious in Florida (which was called early on election night) and Texas but they materialized across the US, irrespective of Latin American heritage, in swing states and safely blue states, and happened as Latino voter turnout surged to unprecedented levels.

Those gains generally stuck during the 2022 midterms: Republicans held about 39 percent of the national Latino vote, according to exit polls. And recent polling shows Biden is consistently struggling to keep the support of Black and Latino voters in theoretical match-ups against Trump and other GOP candidates.

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These trends from the last few years are the basis for Ruffini's optimistic case for Republicans and voters of color, that the gains Trump made in 2020 and Republicans kept in 2022 confirm a realignment in American politics. Democrats have not only lost their hold on working-class white voters, but are now also losing traditional support from working-class voters of color. Those shifts, he says, are a sign of a more general racial and ethnic realignment in American politics that could create an enduring populist majority that delivers Republican victories in crucial swing states, and would set the GOP on a path toward political dominance.

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Here, data from the Cooperative Election Study, a 50,000-person survey conducted during election years that provides detailed results from subgroups of voters, is helpful. Ruffini says that the CES data shows conservative Asian, Black, and Latino voters were more likely to vote for Trump in 2020 than in 2016, and his CES analysis does show that Trump in 2020 made double-digit improvements in his margin of victory among conservative Black voters (a boost of 43 points), Latino conservatives (37 points), and Asian American conservatives (36 points).

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To talk about small shifts from election to election is not the same as a generational change in the way subgroups of Americans vote. And to lift up the results of two or three abnormal elections as evidence of a profound shift in American politics may be premature it's too early to make a judgment about how permanently the Trump era has changed voting patterns.

Trump did improve from 2016 in 2020 among voters of color, but much of that gain is due to just how badly he and previous Republican presidential nominees had performed during the Obama era. John McCain only won about 31 percent of Latino voters in 2008; Mitt Romney performed worse, winning 27 percent; Trump then held that support, winning 28 percent in 2016. A similar dynamic is true with Black voters. McCain won 4 percent in 2008, Romney won 6 percent in 2012, and Trump won 8 percent in 2016. Compare those numbers to 2004, a low point for Democrats, when George W. Bush won at least 40 percent of Latino voters and 11 percent of Black voters.

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Tell us how the 2016 Colorado Caucus turned out?

Trump was ahead in all the polls, but Cruz won almost all the delegates.
Donnie whined and cried that it was all unfair, but he simply didn't understand the process.

Similarly, Trump whiffs on getting things dome sometimes in governance such as draining the swamp and getting the wall built.

DeSantis knows how to get things done.

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Except win. DeSantis is struggling and if he fails, his political career is over.

Sorry, hate to break the news but Haley is going to pass him.

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Well, DeSantis has run for office 5 times and is 5-0.

Trump has run for office 3 times and is 1-2.

Seems like one knows how to win better than the other...

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4. 2000, when he quit the race.

1-3.

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Dan Scott said:

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Dems got 39% of the white vote in 2016 and 43% in 2020.

They'll gladly trade the increase from the largest demographic for a marginal increase from a much smaller demographic.

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This. It's about the Suburban vote. You aren't going to be able to flip the other groups in large enough numbers to compete with losing a few points among that group.

Dems understand this. DeSantis understands this. Trump folks telling you otherwise are idiots or grifters.

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But, but, but, "the rural vote loves Trump and will carry him to victory."

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Very long article but there are a lot of different things at play going on

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Imagine this: January 20, 2025. Donald Trump has just been sworn in as president again. He didn't steal the election; no frivolous lawsuits in swing states. He won fair and square, buoyed by historic levels of support from Black and Latino voters.

And that's not all: Trump's gains aren't limited to GOP-leaning states like Florida and Texas. They appear everywhere a scary harbinger for Democrats of things to come: a generational realignment that sees Republicans building a multiracial working-class coalition that hands them control of the White House for years to come.

That's one future envisioned by Patrick Ruffini, a Republican pollster and strategist, in his book Party of the People: Inside the Multiracial Populist Coalition Remaking the GOP.

The dream starts from a very real place: 2020 was (or at least should have been) a wake-up call for Democrats. Trump improved on his 2016 performance with a host of nonwhite voters, most dramatically cutting into the traditional advantage Democrats have had with Latino and Hispanic voters. Those gains were most obvious in Florida (which was called early on election night) and Texas but they materialized across the US, irrespective of Latin American heritage, in swing states and safely blue states, and happened as Latino voter turnout surged to unprecedented levels.

Those gains generally stuck during the 2022 midterms: Republicans held about 39 percent of the national Latino vote, according to exit polls. And recent polling shows Biden is consistently struggling to keep the support of Black and Latino voters in theoretical match-ups against Trump and other GOP candidates.

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These trends from the last few years are the basis for Ruffini's optimistic case for Republicans and voters of color, that the gains Trump made in 2020 and Republicans kept in 2022 confirm a realignment in American politics. Democrats have not only lost their hold on working-class white voters, but are now also losing traditional support from working-class voters of color. Those shifts, he says, are a sign of a more general racial and ethnic realignment in American politics that could create an enduring populist majority that delivers Republican victories in crucial swing states, and would set the GOP on a path toward political dominance.

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Here, data from the Cooperative Election Study, a 50,000-person survey conducted during election years that provides detailed results from subgroups of voters, is helpful. Ruffini says that the CES data shows conservative Asian, Black, and Latino voters were more likely to vote for Trump in 2020 than in 2016, and his CES analysis does show that Trump in 2020 made double-digit improvements in his margin of victory among conservative Black voters (a boost of 43 points), Latino conservatives (37 points), and Asian American conservatives (36 points).

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To talk about small shifts from election to election is not the same as a generational change in the way subgroups of Americans vote. And to lift up the results of two or three abnormal elections as evidence of a profound shift in American politics may be premature it's too early to make a judgment about how permanently the Trump era has changed voting patterns.

Trump did improve from 2016 in 2020 among voters of color, but much of that gain is due to just how badly he and previous Republican presidential nominees had performed during the Obama era. John McCain only won about 31 percent of Latino voters in 2008; Mitt Romney performed worse, winning 27 percent; Trump then held that support, winning 28 percent in 2016. A similar dynamic is true with Black voters. McCain won 4 percent in 2008, Romney won 6 percent in 2012, and Trump won 8 percent in 2016. Compare those numbers to 2004, a low point for Democrats, when George W. Bush won at least 40 percent of Latino voters and 11 percent of Black voters.

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The problem is Trump is losing more and more of the white vote. It's mainly a Trump phenomenon. He does well with non college educated whites but he and his candidates get killed with college educated whites. IOW, the Suburbs. You can't win without them. Trump repels them, especially college educated women and even married college educated women.

I'm all for expanding the base but this is fool's gold because it ignores the larger problem. The folks who have had success are good governance, low drama Republicans. DeSantis, Youngkin, Reynolds, Sununu, Kemp. The actual policy is less relevant as they vary in terms of conservatism but they have the same demeanor and focus on the job.

Hopefully people will learn at some point, I really hope that isn't after we give the Dems the WH for another 4 years.

Clearly Trump is a man of deep faith.

Trump is asked where does he find his strength as it relates to faith.

Trump answers by saying he finds his strength in polls!

You. Can't. Make. This. Sh*t. Up! I'm dying 😂 pic.twitter.com/uJey5dRMLF

— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) December 2, 2023

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Clearly Trump is a man of deep faith.

Trump is asked where does he find his strength as it relates to faith.

Trump answers by saying he finds his strength in polls!

You. Can't. Make. This. Sh*t. Up! I'm dying 😂 pic.twitter.com/uJey5dRMLF

— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) December 2, 2023

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The first thing he mentions isn't God, or anything relating to faith, it's how much he's liked (polls).

Raise of hands by those who are honestly shocked. No one? Didn't think so.

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aggiehawg said:

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Very long article but there are a lot of different things at play going on

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Imagine this: January 20, 2025. Donald Trump has just been sworn in as president again. He didn't steal the election; no frivolous lawsuits in swing states. He won fair and square, buoyed by historic levels of support from Black and Latino voters.

And that's not all: Trump's gains aren't limited to GOP-leaning states like Florida and Texas. They appear everywhere a scary harbinger for Democrats of things to come: a generational realignment that sees Republicans building a multiracial working-class coalition that hands them control of the White House for years to come.

That's one future envisioned by Patrick Ruffini, a Republican pollster and strategist, in his book Party of the People: Inside the Multiracial Populist Coalition Remaking the GOP.

The dream starts from a very real place: 2020 was (or at least should have been) a wake-up call for Democrats. Trump improved on his 2016 performance with a host of nonwhite voters, most dramatically cutting into the traditional advantage Democrats have had with Latino and Hispanic voters. Those gains were most obvious in Florida (which was called early on election night) and Texas but they materialized across the US, irrespective of Latin American heritage, in swing states and safely blue states, and happened as Latino voter turnout surged to unprecedented levels.

Those gains generally stuck during the 2022 midterms: Republicans held about 39 percent of the national Latino vote, according to exit polls. And recent polling shows Biden is consistently struggling to keep the support of Black and Latino voters in theoretical match-ups against Trump and other GOP candidates.

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These trends from the last few years are the basis for Ruffini's optimistic case for Republicans and voters of color, that the gains Trump made in 2020 and Republicans kept in 2022 confirm a realignment in American politics. Democrats have not only lost their hold on working-class white voters, but are now also losing traditional support from working-class voters of color. Those shifts, he says, are a sign of a more general racial and ethnic realignment in American politics that could create an enduring populist majority that delivers Republican victories in crucial swing states, and would set the GOP on a path toward political dominance.

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Here, data from the Cooperative Election Study, a 50,000-person survey conducted during election years that provides detailed results from subgroups of voters, is helpful. Ruffini says that the CES data shows conservative Asian, Black, and Latino voters were more likely to vote for Trump in 2020 than in 2016, and his CES analysis does show that Trump in 2020 made double-digit improvements in his margin of victory among conservative Black voters (a boost of 43 points), Latino conservatives (37 points), and Asian American conservatives (36 points).

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To talk about small shifts from election to election is not the same as a generational change in the way subgroups of Americans vote. And to lift up the results of two or three abnormal elections as evidence of a profound shift in American politics may be premature it's too early to make a judgment about how permanently the Trump era has changed voting patterns.

Trump did improve from 2016 in 2020 among voters of color, but much of that gain is due to just how badly he and previous Republican presidential nominees had performed during the Obama era. John McCain only won about 31 percent of Latino voters in 2008; Mitt Romney performed worse, winning 27 percent; Trump then held that support, winning 28 percent in 2016. A similar dynamic is true with Black voters. McCain won 4 percent in 2008, Romney won 6 percent in 2012, and Trump won 8 percent in 2016. Compare those numbers to 2004, a low point for Democrats, when George W. Bush won at least 40 percent of Latino voters and 11 percent of Black voters.

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The problem is Trump is losing more and more of the white vote. It's mainly a Trump phenomenon. He does well with non college educated whites but he and his candidates get killed with college educated whites. IOW, the Suburbs. You can't win without them. Trump repels them, especially college educated women and even married college educated women.

I'm all for expanding the base but this is fool's gold because it ignores the larger problem. The folks who have had success are good governance, low drama Republicans. DeSantis, Youngkin, Reynolds, Sununu, Kemp. The actual policy is less relevant as they vary in terms of conservatism but they have the same demeanor and focus on the job.

Hopefully people will learn at some point, I really hope that isn't after we give the Dems the WH for another 4 years.

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This is a message that I wish would get through

XLIVs loooooove polls.

DESANTIS 99th COUNTY EVENT IS PACKED.
*Has not started yet* pic.twitter.com/mtrvzoGTHE

— Marcel Teloma (@marcelteloma) December 2, 2023

In 2016 after Trump won, I remember a commentator saying the Trump supporters didn't believe the polls and went out to vote. From then I've believed these polls are designed to create or destroy interest in a candidate rather than what is actually happening.

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In 2016 after Trump won, I remember a commentator saying the Trump supporters didn't believe the polls and went out to vote. From then I've believed these polls are designed to create or destroy interest in a candidate rather than what is actually happening.

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Well Trump is back on the "We have all the votes we need" thing again.

Trump in Iowa tells the crowd not to vote because “we have all the votes we need." pic.twitter.com/oo00961BVx

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) December 2, 2023

At least he is owning it

Trump praises BLM activist who endorsed him: “A very respected representative of Black Lives Matter ... It’s a great honor” pic.twitter.com/yOZsIzNyfK

— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) December 2, 2023

Just another 4D chess move from Lockdown Don. He knows BLM support will be crucial is securing Iowa's sizable black demographic.

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aggie93 said:

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Clearly Trump is a man of deep faith.

Trump is asked where does he find his strength as it relates to faith.

Trump answers by saying he finds his strength in polls!

You. Can't. Make. This. Sh*t. Up! I'm dying 😂 pic.twitter.com/uJey5dRMLF

— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) December 2, 2023

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The first thing he mentions isn't God, or anything relating to faith, it's how much he's liked (polls).

Raise of hands by those who are honestly shocked. No one? Didn't think so.

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Psalm 23: The Polls are my shepherd, I shall not want.... 😂

— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) December 2, 2023

This is not the Trump rallies of 2016 and 2020. It's just sad.

This one of the dorkiest and saddest moments in politics in a long, long time.

“Trump is a rockstar badass”?

These people are delusional and broken.

pic.twitter.com/rG3TKJc1i4

— Peter Henlein (@SwissWatchGuy) December 2, 2023

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aggie93 said:

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Clearly Trump is a man of deep faith.

Trump is asked where does he find his strength as it relates to faith.

Trump answers by saying he finds his strength in polls!

You. Can't. Make. This. Sh*t. Up! I'm dying 😂 pic.twitter.com/uJey5dRMLF

— Unfiltered☢Boss (@Unfilteredboss1) December 2, 2023

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The first thing he mentions isn't God, or anything relating to faith, it's how much he's liked (polls).

Raise of hands by those who are honestly shocked. No one? Didn't think so.

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I know other people on this thread who also worship polls.

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In 2016 after Trump won, I remember a commentator saying the Trump supporters didn't believe the polls and went out to vote. From then I've believed these polls are designed to create or destroy interest in a candidate rather than what is actually happening.

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Well Trump is back on the "We have all the votes we need" thing again.

Trump in Iowa tells the crowd not to vote because “we have all the votes we need." pic.twitter.com/oo00961BVx

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) December 2, 2023

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I'm not sure whether he truly believes that or not, but I think that's beside the point.

I think the true reason he keeps hammering this point ("We have all the votes we need!") is that he's setting up his excuse for when he loses in the General election should he be the Rep candidate.

Perennial losers learn to preemptively set up excuses to fall back on when they lose. Expert grifters also know this rule - set up the excuse beforehand so when the sake oil doesn't deliver as promised you can trot out the "See, I told you blah, blah, blah" excuse and continue to grift.

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I'm not sure whether he truly believes that or not, but I think that's beside the point.

I think the true reason he keeps hammering this point ("We have all the votes we need!") is that he's setting up his excuse for when he loses in the General election should he be the Rep candidate.

Perennial losers learn to preemptively set up excuses to fall back on when they lose. Expert grifters also know this rule - set up the excuse beforehand so when the sake oil doesn't deliver as promised you can trot out the "See, I told you blah, blah, blah" excuse and continue to grift.

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Or, bear with me for a moment, he's under indictment for really not believing he won in 2020 and he needs to stay consistent that he did win? He then goes on to talk about guarding the votes in the swing states, GA, AZ, PA, WI, MI, NV.

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In 2016 after Trump won, I remember a commentator saying the Trump supporters didn't believe the polls and went out to vote. From then I've believed these polls are designed to create or destroy interest in a candidate rather than what is actually happening.

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Well Trump is back on the "We have all the votes we need" thing again.

Trump in Iowa tells the crowd not to vote because “we have all the votes we need." pic.twitter.com/oo00961BVx

— Never Back Down (@NvrBackDown24) December 2, 2023

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I'm not sure whether he truly believes that or not, but I think that's beside the point.

I think the true reason he keeps hammering this point ("We have all the votes we need!") is that he's setting up his excuse for when he loses in the General election should he be the Rep candidate.

Perennial losers learn to preemptively set up excuses to fall back on when they lose. Expert grifters also know this rule - set up the excuse beforehand so when the sake oil doesn't deliver as promised you can trot out the "See, I told you blah, blah, blah" excuse and continue to grift.

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We see it hear as well. Our local MAGA says it doesn't matter who the nominee is because the Democrats will just steal it, so we should just ride the Trump train one last time.

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I'm not sure whether he truly believes that or not, but I think that's beside the point.

I think the true reason he keeps hammering this point ("We have all the votes we need!") is that he's setting up his excuse for when he loses in the General election should he be the Rep candidate.

Perennial losers learn to preemptively set up excuses to fall back on when they lose. Expert grifters also know this rule - set up the excuse beforehand so when the sake oil doesn't deliver as promised you can trot out the "See, I told you blah, blah, blah" excuse and continue to grift.

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Or, bear with me for a moment, he's under indictment for really not believing he won in 2020 and he needs to stay consistent that he did win? He then goes on to talk about guarding the votes in the swing states, GA, AZ, PA, WI, MI, NV.

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Ok, but two honest questions, and you obviously have the experience when it comes to thinking about legal manuevering...

1) Is there a reason it can't serve both purposes?

2) Does his legal battle regarding 2020 require him to show confidence that he's already won an election still 11 months away?

I'll buy your point, but still....it's a detrimental message to the Republican Party who needs a high voter turnout in 2024, and it only serves Trump's interests by marginally helping him in his court battle. Again, Trump comes first, everyone else second.

Sooooo, congrats Trump, I guess? You get to help your personal legal case at the expense of convincing Rep voters the '24 election is already in the bag and they don't need any sort of GOTV push.

aggie93 said:

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DESANTIS 99th COUNTY EVENT IS PACKED.
*Has not started yet* pic.twitter.com/mtrvzoGTHE

— Marcel Teloma (@marcelteloma) December 2, 2023

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If he came to Boone County, I would take my Demon Spawn to see him.

I absolutely don't "stan" him.
But he is certainly better than Trump, Biden, Harris, Newsom, and Ramaswamy.


I am getting too old.
Not yelling at clouds very often though.