FireAg said:
aggie93 said:
FireAg said:
They would be doing voting gathering operations regardless of who the R nominee was…
So maybe we nominate the guy who focuses on ground game, ballot harvesting, and appeals to Suburban voters?
In the end most of the Dem votes still come from someone who intends to vote Democrat they just are great at finding all of them and getting their votes counted. Republicans need to do the same but DeSantis is the only one who is serious about that and putting money behind it already. Trump is literally making fun of DeSantis for paying people to knock on doors and push a ground game and expects to just do it all with volunteers. It's lunacy.
You have to fight fire with fire.
Got it…not saying I disagree with you…
But the argument is why attack Trump with fake crime indictments? The argument isn't whether or not the Rs need to step up their harvesting game…
You argue it's to boost him with his base so that he wins the R nomination in a scheme to then destroy him in the general…
I argue they attack him because momentum was building for him well before the first indictment, and they are attacking the R front runner because they don't want him in the race as, the longer he's in with building momentum, the longer he's at risk of winning and for them to be forced to do something on Election Day to fix it…. And I don't believe they feel like they can pull the same stunts twice…. 2020 was their silver bullet-Hail Mary, and they'd need a different approach this time with more watchful eyes paying attention…
Trump has gotten a boost from every indictment and it sucks up all the press coverage. Acting like that isn't the reason he is leading and instead it is, what? for a reason he is leading. It's not his brilliant new campaign proposals. It's not because he is working the campaign trail. About 80% of what he talks about is how he is persecuted or Biden or how disloyal DeSantis is for not dropping out and supporting him. Republicans sympathize with him and get angry, the majority of the country either wants him in jail or just to go away. It's a perfect scenario where the more indictments the more support within the GOP he gets while also making him less attractive to the majority.
Oh they definitely can and will pull the same stunts as 2020, the only question is how prepared the Republicans are for it. They are pulling those stunts and worse in every election now. Even the recent election in Ohio you had things like the Ohio State campus polling center went 98% "No". There is no freaking way that 98% of college students think the same thing on any issue. That's in a Red state. They won the critical SC Justice election in Wisconsin to flip that Court. I expect more not less of that crap.
It's going to be a lot worse if Trump is the nominee because he is so disliked and he has cried wolf so loudly for so long and mixed truth and fiction in his arguments. He's also very disorganized and surrounded by loons. He comes out and cries "Stolen!" and most of the country won't believe him no matter how strong the evidence and no matter how much his base is all in.
That's not even counting the disapproval numbers, the Trump exhaustion factor, the lawsuits, or of course the fact Trump will basically be trying to run a General Election with almost no money and thus dependent on Free Media so he would literally be putting his fate in the MSM to help him.
Also with Trump it takes Covid response off the table as an issue which is a significant crossover because Trump doesn't have enough daylight from Biden or the Dems there since he is still pro vaccine and he still hasn't said he should have fired Fauci and even if he flipped on either issue it's too late. I could go on and on and have on why he is so screwed once this becomes a General election.
They can't just flip all that on DeSantis and they certainly don't want to try and do it on short notice. They have been trying to take out DeSantis for years but he just runs too tight of a ship and doesn't make big mistakes. He's a very hard guy to make into a villain so they have to try and fight him with fake narratives on policy but that's not really going to work very well. I mean Gavin Newsom can talk about how much better California is than Florida but you have to be a pretty brainwashed idiot to buy that crap. He is a rational, nice looking guy with a beautiful family and has a great life story and he is extremely articulate. There just isn't a soft target. I can tell you I have hardcore Dem friends that think Biden is amazing and everything the NYT prints is Gospel and they laugh about Trump but are terrified of DeSantis, what terrifies them the most is they actually agree with many of his points and they know they can't attack him personally.
I just don't buy at all the idea that the Democrats don't want Trump as a nominee, it just makes no logical sense.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan
