texagbeliever said:
LMCane said:
Charpie said:
LMCane said:
Trump's own cronies admitted under oath they knew they lost the election, and that Trump knew he lost the election. But they had concocted a strategy EVEN BEFORE the election to claim it was stolen so they could raise money for Trump's legal fees and to sow chaos:
I've mentioned this before. It still won't be enough for the trump supporters to believe that the election wasn't stolen
Yep. The fact is that the true Trump hardcore dead enders will never accept any evidence against him. Just as Trump himself stated back in 2015 "I could shoot someone in New York City" and his defenders would still not believe it.
what type of a person is that called again?
No matter how many REPUBLICANS have testified UNDER OATH that the election was not stolen,
that Trump really did lose in all those states, no matter how many GOP appointed Judges ruled in every single case there was no evidence of fraud to justify overturning the state elections-
the Trump dead enders can't psychologically acknowledge reality. It would shatter their self image.
in reading the indictment, I bet Pence is going to be even more upset that Trump was setting him up to be the fall guy!
Look DeSantis crew. Read these posts. None of this lines up with how yall communicate or think. LMC is obviously looking to gaslight and foment divide. Charpie, our new big "Desantis" moderate has a take that is really concerned and once again breaks to the liberal side.
I get you don't have to like Trump but please be aware that their are at least many wolves in sheep's clothing. And as best you can, avoid following their lead.
I think it is important to be pragmatic. Most Trump diehards that I have talked to will equate election fraud (which we know there is more than 0) and the clear media interference regarding Trump and Biden. Those are not the same thing.The media interference is obvious and may have effected enough votes to swing an election, but it's like complaining about referee home cooking at a football game, it changes nothing. Election Fraud is what is important, and that, once it is done, is next to impossible to prove, and when pressed, even those hand picked by Trump can't do it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, just that we have no way to prove it, and therefore no way to prove the election was swayed in one way or the other ("stolen").
There are a couple of ways to go with this. Either the chosen people to represent Trump, hand picked by Trump, are incompetent, or they are secret double agents, or it just simply cannot be proved to have happened in court. It's one thing to think one or 2 people who Trump picked for this were secretly on Team Establishment. It's another to think that
all of them are secret double agents, and even if it were the case, then Trump handpicks establishment people to run things. The likelyhood is that either 1 of the remaining 2 things are true, and neither of them are positives to Trump. If all of them are incompetent, then Trump has a long history of choosing incompetent people, which as president, would explain why he couldn't really get much done. Not a good look for a leader. The other, option, where it is not provable in court, means that Trump took a horrible wrong turn in strategy by going all in on this, essentially sinking his own ability to run for office and possibly taking the Republican party down with him. Also doesn't speak well of the former president.
Regardless of whether or not you think the election was "stolen", the strategy Trump took has been a dramatic failure. We get to choose how widespread the consequences of that failure are. At this point it seems like we are doing everything we can to make sure the country is going to go down with him.
