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And Loomer attacks Vander Plaats.

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And the obligatory, Loomer is crazy enough that she'd fly a fully loaded 747 into a building if Trump told her to.

Good DeSantis ad on the Economy, needs to keep pushing on this as he has a great story to tell.

👀📺 WATCH: @RonDeSantis destroys "Bidenomics" pic.twitter.com/gKDQn75teM

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) July 11, 2023

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Science Denier said:

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Old May Banker said:

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'Member when polls didn't matter any more? Hell, it was only a few years ago when they were all "fake news."

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Wait. There have been tons of polls posted here by DeSantis fans. I thought that was the standiard for evidence.

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Every time I post a poll I put out the disclaimer that I think it is still fairly meaningless at this point.

BTW, if you would stop with the "laugh/cry" emoji at every response it would certainly enhance the conversation. It's just annoying and it takes away from any credibility you might have. I actually enjoy engaging with Trump supporters to discuss issues and politics but by doing that it is getting disrespectful. If you want to go and just troll then there are plenty of other places on the internet to go and many LOVE them some Trump. I'd rather you just make good arguments and stop trying to goad people into responding back in anger at you with that emoji though.

Your call.

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I use the laugh/cry all the time. Not just on politics. It's by far the #1 emoticon I use on every TexAgs forum except ticket exchange. I find humor in almost everything. it's my personality.

LOL at "serious" discussion. This is nothing but a Twitter recap of people that hate Trump. Most are BS that I've proven are just flat wrong, though I don't respond to most as I don't read most. I understand folks don't like when facts get in the way of their REEEEEING, but I can't help that.

In this day where everything "offends" someone, I can see where even an emoticon offends people, I'll stop it.

No wonder folks hate Trump.

Science Denier said:

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Old May Banker said:

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'Member when polls didn't matter any more? Hell, it was only a few years ago when they were all "fake news."

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Wait. There have been tons of polls posted here by DeSantis fans. I thought that was the standiard for evidence.

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Every time I post a poll I put out the disclaimer that I think it is still fairly meaningless at this point.

BTW, if you would stop with the "laugh/cry" emoji at every response it would certainly enhance the conversation. It's just annoying and it takes away from any credibility you might have. I actually enjoy engaging with Trump supporters to discuss issues and politics but by doing that it is getting disrespectful. If you want to go and just troll then there are plenty of other places on the internet to go and many LOVE them some Trump. I'd rather you just make good arguments and stop trying to goad people into responding back in anger at you with that emoji though.

Your call.

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I use the laugh/cry all the time. Not just on politics. It's by far the #1 emoticon I use on every TexAgs forum except ticket exchange. I find humor in almost everything. it's my personality.

LOL at "serious" discussion. This is nothing but a Twitter recap of people that hate Trump. Most are BS that I've proven are just flat wrong, though I don't respond to most as I don't read most. I understand folks don't like when facts get in the way of their REEEEEING, but I can't help that.

In this day where everything "offends" someone, I can see where even an emoticon offends people, I'll stop it.

No wonder folks hate Trump.

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Now I wish I had the laugh/cry emoji.

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Science Denier said:

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Old May Banker said:

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'Member when polls didn't matter any more? Hell, it was only a few years ago when they were all "fake news."

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Wait. There have been tons of polls posted here by DeSantis fans. I thought that was the standiard for evidence.

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Every time I post a poll I put out the disclaimer that I think it is still fairly meaningless at this point.

BTW, if you would stop with the "laugh/cry" emoji at every response it would certainly enhance the conversation. It's just annoying and it takes away from any credibility you might have. I actually enjoy engaging with Trump supporters to discuss issues and politics but by doing that it is getting disrespectful. If you want to go and just troll then there are plenty of other places on the internet to go and many LOVE them some Trump. I'd rather you just make good arguments and stop trying to goad people into responding back in anger at you with that emoji though.

Your call.

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I use the laugh/cry all the time. Not just on politics. It's by far the #1 emoticon I use on every TexAgs forum except ticket exchange. I find humor in almost everything. it's my personality.

LOL at "serious" discussion. This is nothing but a Twitter recap of people that hate Trump. Most are BS that I've proven are just flat wrong, though I don't respond to most as I don't read most. I understand folks don't like when facts get in the way of their REEEEEING, but I can't help that.

In this day where everything "offends" someone, I can see where even an emoticon offends people, I'll stop it.

No wonder folks hate Trump.

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Now I wish I had the laugh/cry emoji.

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lolpoors

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Willing to bet Trump would have wanted a cut of the fundraising and DeSantis doesn't.

NEW: Tennessee GOP secures @RonDeSantis as keynote speaker for its annual Statesmen’s Dinner on July 15th instead of Donald Trump. https://t.co/b8IiL8O3ZA

— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸🐊 (@CryptidPolitics) July 10, 2023

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Both of Tennessee's senators Marsha Blackburn and Bill Hagerty have joyfully endorsed Donald Trump for president in 2024. Trump's current indictment by the Department of Justice does not bother them.

Seven of the eight GOP House members from Tennessee have also backed Trump. Tim Burchett, however, whose voting record has aligned with Trump, has so far declined to endorse Trump for president in 2024.

Former Gov. Bill Haslam is backing South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott. Former senators Lamar Alexander, Bill Frist and Bob Corker have not endorsed anyone for president, nor has Gov. Bill Lee.

Therefore, it was a surprise to learn that the Tennessee Republican Party secured Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis as the keynote speaker at its annual Statesmen's Dinner on July 15. He is Trump's principal opponent. Trump dislikes him and calls him Ron DeSanctimonious a childish cheap shot.

Trump is no doubt irked that his Tennessee congressional backers apparently were not able to prevent DeSantis from having this honor, which places him in front of key Republicans from across Tennessee. Or perhaps they did not know about it until after it was announced.

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This has all the earmarks of "better ground game". Have your biweekly rally if you want, but grinding it out in the trenches is how you overtake "front-runners".

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Difference between a liberal octogenarian simp and a spry forty-something conservative.

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Old May Banker said:

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'Member when polls didn't matter any more? Hell, it was only a few years ago when they were all "fake news."

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Wait. There have been tons of polls posted here by DeSantis fans. I thought that was the standiard for evidence.

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Every time I post a poll I put out the disclaimer that I think it is still fairly meaningless at this point.

BTW, if you would stop with the "laugh/cry" emoji at every response it would certainly enhance the conversation. It's just annoying and it takes away from any credibility you might have. I actually enjoy engaging with Trump supporters to discuss issues and politics but by doing that it is getting disrespectful. If you want to go and just troll then there are plenty of other places on the internet to go and many LOVE them some Trump. I'd rather you just make good arguments and stop trying to goad people into responding back in anger at you with that emoji though.

Your call.

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I use the laugh/cry all the time. Not just on politics. It's by far the #1 emoticon I use on every TexAgs forum except ticket exchange. I find humor in almost everything. it's my personality.

LOL at "serious" discussion. This is nothing but a Twitter recap of people that hate Trump. Most are BS that I've proven are just flat wrong, though I don't respond to most as I don't read most. I understand folks don't like when facts get in the way of their REEEEEING, but I can't help that.

In this day where everything "offends" someone, I can see where even an emoticon offends people, I'll stop it.

No wonder folks hate Trump.

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Wow and all this time I thought it was due to habit, or a lack of creativity, or blind love of Trump.

Science Denier said:

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Old May Banker said:

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'Member when polls didn't matter any more? Hell, it was only a few years ago when they were all "fake news."

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Wait. There have been tons of polls posted here by DeSantis fans. I thought that was the standiard for evidence.

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Every time I post a poll I put out the disclaimer that I think it is still fairly meaningless at this point.

BTW, if you would stop with the "laugh/cry" emoji at every response it would certainly enhance the conversation. It's just annoying and it takes away from any credibility you might have. I actually enjoy engaging with Trump supporters to discuss issues and politics but by doing that it is getting disrespectful. If you want to go and just troll then there are plenty of other places on the internet to go and many LOVE them some Trump. I'd rather you just make good arguments and stop trying to goad people into responding back in anger at you with that emoji though.

Your call.

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I use the laugh/cry all the time. Not just on politics. It's by far the #1 emoticon I use on every TexAgs forum except ticket exchange. I find humor in almost everything. it's my personality.

LOL at "serious" discussion. This is nothing but a Twitter recap of people that hate Trump. Most are BS that I've proven are just flat wrong, though I don't respond to most as I don't read most. I understand folks don't like when facts get in the way of their REEEEEING, but I can't help that.

In this day where everything "offends" someone, I can see where even an emoticon offends people, I'll stop it.

No wonder folks hate Trump.

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Reading this post, I take back what I've said before. You're not a troll. I now believe you're a sincere Trump fan, because based on your response I can see why he appeals to you.

Scoop: People close to @GovRonDeSantis and the gov himself are telling donors worried about his polls “ignore the noise” that he is such a threat to @JoeBiden “the media and the Dems are just making trouble so Trump is the nominee” and Biden wins again because of Trumps baggage

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) July 11, 2023

Science Denier said:

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Old May Banker said:

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'Member when polls didn't matter any more? Hell, it was only a few years ago when they were all "fake news."

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Wait. There have been tons of polls posted here by DeSantis fans. I thought that was the standiard for evidence.

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Every time I post a poll I put out the disclaimer that I think it is still fairly meaningless at this point.

BTW, if you would stop with the "laugh/cry" emoji at every response it would certainly enhance the conversation. It's just annoying and it takes away from any credibility you might have. I actually enjoy engaging with Trump supporters to discuss issues and politics but by doing that it is getting disrespectful. If you want to go and just troll then there are plenty of other places on the internet to go and many LOVE them some Trump. I'd rather you just make good arguments and stop trying to goad people into responding back in anger at you with that emoji though.

Your call.

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I use the laugh/cry all the time. Not just on politics. It's by far the #1 emoticon I use on every TexAgs forum except ticket exchange. I find humor in almost everything. it's my personality.

LOL at "serious" discussion. This is nothing but a Twitter recap of people that hate Trump. Most are BS that I've proven are just flat wrong, though I don't respond to most as I don't read most. I understand folks don't like when facts get in the way of their REEEEEING, but I can't help that.

In this day where everything "offends" someone, I can see where even an emoticon offends people, I'll stop it.

No wonder folks hate Trump.

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You have had literally hundreds of chances to respond to direct quotes from Trump and passed on it, instead posting 3rd party Trump pimping or blatant DeSantis hit peices, including some Media Matters and NPR.

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Scoop: People close to @GovRonDeSantis and the gov himself are telling donors worried about his polls “ignore the noise” that he is such a threat to @JoeBiden “the media and the Dems are just making trouble so Trump is the nominee” and Biden wins again because of Trumps baggage

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) July 11, 2023

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So, the left started attacking Trump in 2017
They impeached him based on bogus charges. Twice. Once for a phone call
They attacked everyone that even associated with him
They made bogus claims, both criminal and civil

But, the actual "logic" is that they now are trying to get him nominated.

LOL

Science Denier said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Scoop: People close to @GovRonDeSantis and the gov himself are telling donors worried about his polls “ignore the noise” that he is such a threat to @JoeBiden “the media and the Dems are just making trouble so Trump is the nominee” and Biden wins again because of Trumps baggage

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) July 11, 2023

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So, the left started attacking Trump in 2017
They impeached him based on bogus charges. Twice. Once for a phone call
They attacked everyone that even associated with him
They made bogus claims, both criminal and civil

But, the actual "logic" is that they now are trying to get him nominated.

LOL

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It's simpler than that. Everyone loves to watch a good train wreck, especially when half the people don't like the train.

Science Denier said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Scoop: People close to @GovRonDeSantis and the gov himself are telling donors worried about his polls “ignore the noise” that he is such a threat to @JoeBiden “the media and the Dems are just making trouble so Trump is the nominee” and Biden wins again because of Trumps baggage

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) July 11, 2023

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So, the left started attacking Trump in 2017
They impeached him based on bogus charges. Twice. Once for a phone call
They attacked everyone that even associated with him
They made bogus claims, both criminal and civil

But, the actual "logic" is that they now are trying to get him nominated.

LOL

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Yes. George Soros himself said that was the best plan, remember? Then you took that as him endorsing DeSantis, and started REEIng when it was shown how that was false?

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Science Denier said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Scoop: People close to @GovRonDeSantis and the gov himself are telling donors worried about his polls “ignore the noise” that he is such a threat to @JoeBiden “the media and the Dems are just making trouble so Trump is the nominee” and Biden wins again because of Trumps baggage

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) July 11, 2023

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So, the left started attacking Trump in 2017
They impeached him based on bogus charges. Twice. Once for a phone call
They attacked everyone that even associated with him
They made bogus claims, both criminal and civil

But, the actual "logic" is that they now are trying to get him nominated.

LOL

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Yes. George Soros himself said that was the best plan, remember? Then you took that as him endorsing DeSantis, and started REEIng when it was shown how that was false?

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No. Soros said the best outcome would be for DeSantis to win because then Trump would run as 3rd party.

Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Old May Banker said:

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'Member when polls didn't matter any more? Hell, it was only a few years ago when they were all "fake news."

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Wait. There have been tons of polls posted here by DeSantis fans. I thought that was the standiard for evidence.

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Every time I post a poll I put out the disclaimer that I think it is still fairly meaningless at this point.

BTW, if you would stop with the "laugh/cry" emoji at every response it would certainly enhance the conversation. It's just annoying and it takes away from any credibility you might have. I actually enjoy engaging with Trump supporters to discuss issues and politics but by doing that it is getting disrespectful. If you want to go and just troll then there are plenty of other places on the internet to go and many LOVE them some Trump. I'd rather you just make good arguments and stop trying to goad people into responding back in anger at you with that emoji though.

Your call.

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I use the laugh/cry all the time. Not just on politics. It's by far the #1 emoticon I use on every TexAgs forum except ticket exchange. I find humor in almost everything. it's my personality.

LOL at "serious" discussion. This is nothing but a Twitter recap of people that hate Trump. Most are BS that I've proven are just flat wrong, though I don't respond to most as I don't read most. I understand folks don't like when facts get in the way of their REEEEEING, but I can't help that.

In this day where everything "offends" someone, I can see where even an emoticon offends people, I'll stop it.

No wonder folks hate Trump.

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Now I wish I had the laugh/cry emoji.

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One of the more hilarious things we've learned about our favorite cry/laugh troll is that he actually thinks things are disproven/false solely because he says they are, even when proven wrong constantly. Then he disappears for a few days and pretends like the discussion never happens. Rinse/repeat.

Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Scoop: People close to @GovRonDeSantis and the gov himself are telling donors worried about his polls “ignore the noise” that he is such a threat to @JoeBiden “the media and the Dems are just making trouble so Trump is the nominee” and Biden wins again because of Trumps baggage

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) July 11, 2023

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So, the left started attacking Trump in 2017
They impeached him based on bogus charges. Twice. Once for a phone call
They attacked everyone that even associated with him
They made bogus claims, both criminal and civil

But, the actual "logic" is that they now are trying to get him nominated.

LOL

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It's simpler than that. Everyone loves to watch a good train wreck, especially when half the people don't like the train.

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Remember when Trump first ran for President? Media joked that Trump winning the primary would be the best thing ever for them.

Left is not dumb enough to be fooled again. They've done everything they possibly could do to keep him from winning.

Science Denier said:

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Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Scoop: People close to @GovRonDeSantis and the gov himself are telling donors worried about his polls “ignore the noise” that he is such a threat to @JoeBiden “the media and the Dems are just making trouble so Trump is the nominee” and Biden wins again because of Trumps baggage

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) July 11, 2023

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So, the left started attacking Trump in 2017
They impeached him based on bogus charges. Twice. Once for a phone call
They attacked everyone that even associated with him
They made bogus claims, both criminal and civil

But, the actual "logic" is that they now are trying to get him nominated.

LOL

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It's simpler than that. Everyone loves to watch a good train wreck, especially when half the people don't like the train.

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Remember when Trump first ran for President? Media joked that Trump winning the primary would be the best thing ever for them.

Left is not dumb enough to be fooled again. They've done everything they possibly could do to keep him from winning.

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It already worked once, and that was before Trump went scorched earth on half the Republican base.

Science Denier said:

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Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Scoop: People close to @GovRonDeSantis and the gov himself are telling donors worried about his polls “ignore the noise” that he is such a threat to @JoeBiden “the media and the Dems are just making trouble so Trump is the nominee” and Biden wins again because of Trumps baggage

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) July 11, 2023

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So, the left started attacking Trump in 2017
They impeached him based on bogus charges. Twice. Once for a phone call
They attacked everyone that even associated with him
They made bogus claims, both criminal and civil

But, the actual "logic" is that they now are trying to get him nominated.

LOL

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It's simpler than that. Everyone loves to watch a good train wreck, especially when half the people don't like the train.

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Remember when Trump first ran for President? Media joked that Trump winning the primary would be the best thing ever for them.

Left is not dumb enough to be fooled again. They've done everything they possibly could do to make him the nominee but keep him from winning the general election.

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FIFY.

Honest question Denier, when it comes to the general U.S. population do you think Trump is liked more or less now compared to 2015-2016?

Hell, answer for the entire population as a whole or break it down if you want - Solid Democrats, Solid Republicans, and middle of the road swing voters.

FL_Ag1998 said:

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Honest question Denier, when it comes to the general U.S. population do you think Trump is liked more or less now compared to 2015-2016?

Hell, answer for the entire population as a whole or break it down if you want - Solid Democrats, Solid Republicans, and middle of the road swing voters.

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Trump was able to beat Hillary because he BOLDLY proclaimed he was for America first. Nut just a wimper, or a slogan. He hammered it home. Non-stop.

When he announced his campaign, folks didn't "hate" him. They laughed at him. But he kept hammering home America first. Then, when in office, he did everything he said. He didn't succeed on every issue, but he fought hard for every issue.

And, he communicated these actions to the people. His press conferences were hours long. He went out and sold his accomplishments. This is why he got so many votes for President in 2020. More than any republican in history. A ton of democrats voted for him. He landed more minority votes than anyone. Labor unions, despite their constant hammering their members to vote against Trump, voted for him in droves.


So, to answer your question, in 2015, he was laughed at. In 2017, he was popular, way mor popular than in 2015. In 2020, he was insanely popular. Now? Can't answer that because he's so censored.

But, if he's hated more, it's not alot more.

I also think Biden has way, WAY less popular now than in the last election.

Science Denier said:

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Phatbob said:

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Science Denier said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Scoop: People close to @GovRonDeSantis and the gov himself are telling donors worried about his polls “ignore the noise” that he is such a threat to @JoeBiden “the media and the Dems are just making trouble so Trump is the nominee” and Biden wins again because of Trumps baggage

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) July 11, 2023

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So, the left started attacking Trump in 2017
They impeached him based on bogus charges. Twice. Once for a phone call
They attacked everyone that even associated with him
They made bogus claims, both criminal and civil

But, the actual "logic" is that they now are trying to get him nominated.

LOL

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It's simpler than that. Everyone loves to watch a good train wreck, especially when half the people don't like the train.

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Remember when Trump first ran for President? Media joked that Trump winning the primary would be the best thing ever for them.

Left is not dumb enough to be fooled again. They've done everything they possibly could do to keep him from winning.

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World has changed a LOT since 2016. Dems got serious about GOTV, ballot harvesting, fighting election laws, and funding the crap out of it. Most of that money comes from a handful of Dem Billionaires who know they can run anyone and win in a lot of races because they have the votes. That wasn't the case in '16.

Also Trump was younger and a fresh face in '16 running against the most despised politician in America and barely won. The enthusiasm for him now is nothing like then or in '20. You don't see Trump stuff everywhere like you did. It's around but it's nothing like before.

Trump himself just isn't funny anymore either, he's just angry. That's a lot less appealing. He used to have a great sense of timing and was patient. Now he just rambles on and uses tired nicknames and seems to just talk to himself and pats himself on the back constantly talking about how great he was as President and how wonderful he still is. If you are a hardcore fan that's fine I guess but it's honestly boring. Trump used to be entertaining as hell. He used to attack Democrats and now he praises them while he uses most of his fire for DeSantis. He has flashes but it is usually more about visuals like the UFC thing. His supporters are so desperate to cling onto any of the old magic they just go nuts when they get a glimpse. Then they end up posting old clips of him from '16 or '20 because his new material is just not great.

I guess we will see though. I could certainly be wrong.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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Honest question Denier, when it comes to the general U.S. population do you think Trump is liked more or less now compared to 2015-2016?

Hell, answer for the entire population as a whole or break it down if you want - Solid Democrats, Solid Republicans, and middle of the road swing voters.

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Trump was able to beat Hillary because he BOLDLY proclaimed he was for America first. Nut just a wimper, or a slogan. He hammered it home. Non-stop.

When he announced his campaign, folks didn't "hate" him. They laughed at him. But he kept hammering home America first. Then, when in office, he did everything he said. He didn't succeed on every issue, but he fought hard for every issue.

And, he communicated these actions to the people. His press conferences were hours long. He went out and sold his accomplishments. This is why he got so many votes for President in 2020. More than any republican in history. A ton of democrats voted for him. He landed more minority votes than anyone. Labor unions, despite their constant hammering their members to vote against Trump, voted for him in droves.


So, to answer your question, in 2015, he was laughed at. In 2017, he was popular, way mor popular than in 2015. In 2020, he was insanely popular. Now? Can't answer that because he's so censored.

But, if he's hated more, it's not alot more.

I also think Biden has way, WAY less popular now than in the last election.

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I think that's fair. The problem also was in '16 he was going off an image of the GOP that was Bush followed by Dole followed by Bush II followed by McCain followed by Romney. SO many people were just sick of it. They wanted someone with energy and a bold message instead of the play nice Establishment types.

That's not this election though. DeSantis is nothing like the GOPe bypes of old. He's more Trump than Trump in terms of being a fighter and boldness, dude is freaking ruthless at times politically. Difference is Trump talks the big game but gets nervous when the going gets tough even by his own admission (Wray, Fauci, I could go on). DeSantis is more measured in speech but he's more than willing to take risks politically and he will exercise power without hesitation. He's a true believer conservative vs a populist (or a "common sense" person is what Trump said he was most recently when asked if he was a conservative).

So keep talking about 16 all you want but this is about 24.

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Selective posts from his Truth Social thing are what are being focused on. Very few are getting every post he makes there. Many don't hear his public events as they are not covered.

When he's on the national media stage bringing his case is when he's very effective. I would suspect over half of his supporters don't even have Truth Social. I don't.

Winning the nomination will bring him out to the entire public. I just don't think he has the money to run a public blitz starting right now. So the selective quotes here and there from Truth Social is all we are getting.

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So keep talking about 16 all you want but this is about 24.

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I've talked almost nonstop about 2020. The reason I talked about '16 in that thread is the specific question was about '15 and '16.

Science Denier said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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Honest question Denier, when it comes to the general U.S. population do you think Trump is liked more or less now compared to 2015-2016?

Hell, answer for the entire population as a whole or break it down if you want - Solid Democrats, Solid Republicans, and middle of the road swing voters.

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Trump was able to beat Hillary because he BOLDLY proclaimed he was for America first. Nut just a wimper, or a slogan. He hammered it home. Non-stop.

When he announced his campaign, folks didn't "hate" him. They laughed at him. But he kept hammering home America first. Then, when in office, he did everything he said. He didn't succeed on every issue, but he fought hard for every issue.

And, he communicated these actions to the people. His press conferences were hours long. He went out and sold his accomplishments. This is why he got so many votes for President in 2020. More than any republican in history. A ton of democrats voted for him. He landed more minority votes than anyone. Labor unions, despite their constant hammering their members to vote against Trump, voted for him in droves.


So, to answer your question, in 2015, he was laughed at. In 2017, he was popular, way mor popular than in 2015. In 2020, he was insanely popular. Now? Can't answer that because he's so censored.

But, if he's hated more, it's not alot more.

I also think Biden has way, WAY less popular now than in the last election.

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I think your mistake is thinking that all of Trump's votes were support instead of protests. There is very little you can do to change a protest vote. Call it a "never-Xer" vote. Trump benefited from that the first go-round with the "Never Hillary" vote, but now he suffers from the same problem. You can blame his loss on cheating, but it was never to the amount you think it was, and if he wasn't the problem child he is, he could have won despite the cheating. Some of his "never Trumper" problems come from the left, but some of it is self-inflicted. People are not going to "go to the polls in droves" for him, he is not doing what he needs to do to sway those people back. Instead he is doubling down on what made them "never-Trumpers" to begin with.

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Trump himself just isn't funny anymore either, he's just angry.

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Selective posts from his Truth Social thing are what are being focused on. Very few are getting every post he makes there. Many don't hear his public events as they are not covered.

When he's on the national media stage bringing his case is when he's very effective. I would suspect over half of his supporters don't even have Truth Social. I don't.

Winning the nomination will bring him out to the entire public. I just don't think he has the money to run a public blitz starting right now. So the selective quotes here and there from Truth Social is all we are getting.

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You really think his problem is lack of publicity?????????????

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So keep talking about 16 all you want but this is about 24.

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I've talked almost nonstop about 2020. The reason I talked about '16 in that thread is the specific question was about '15 and '16.

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2020 was three years ago. It's over. There was fraud, just enough...in the right areas...to win the EC. That's over and done with and was possible because he's so unlikable.

This is for 2024 and he's done NOTHING to reverse the same thing from happening again. Yet Desantis has, and won, thusly. An actual conservative, that wins, and leads. The opposite of Trump.

As far as Biden, I think virtually everyone but the true Dem sycophants would agree he's extremely dislikeable at this point as a candidate. His favorability ratings show that. In other words, that's not in question.

Where I think we disagree is the favorability of Trump to the general US population. I'll go on record as stating that if COVID didn't come along Trump would likely have won the 2020 election walking away - in other words he would have had too great a margin to be swayed by interference in AZ, GA, etc.

But even you acknowledge he might be more disliked now than in 2020. In your opinion its not by much; however, in my opinion its by a significantly larger margin. You're counting on people swallowing their dislike (sometimes hatred) of Trump to vote for him because the alternative will be Biden. But I truly believe Trump's too disliked now to win the majority of the voters no matter how bad Biden has been.

What'll make matters worse is that I don't believe Biden will be the Dem candidate. I believe it'll be Newsome. He'll distance himself as much as possible from Biden's policies and present himself as something different, and millions of gulliable voters will buy it.

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Trump benefited from that the first go-round with the "Never Hillary" vote, but now he suffers from the same problem.

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2016 - Trump received 65,844,610 votes
2020 - Trump received 74,223,975 votes

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As far as Biden, I think virtually everyone but the true Dem sycophants would agree he's extremely dislikeable at this point as a candidate. His favorability ratings show that. In other words, that's not in question.

Where I think we disagree is the favorability of Trump to the general US population. I'll go on record as stating that if COVID didn't come along Trump would likely have won the 2020 election walking away - in other words he would have had too great a margin to be swayed by interference in AZ, GA, etc.

But even you acknowledge he might be more disliked now than in 2020. In your opinion its not by much; however, in my opinion its by a significantly larger margin. You're counting on people swallowing their dislike (sometimes hatred) of Trump to vote for him because the alternative will be Biden. But I truly believe Trump's too disliked now to win the majority of the voters no matter how bad Biden has been.

What'll make matters worse is that I don't believe Biden will be the Dem candidate. I believe it'll be Newsome. He'll distance himself as much as possible from Biden's policies and present himself as something different, and millions of gulliable voters will buy it.

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Even better. Whoever the nominee ends up being, a constant barrage of "here is California", with pictures of LA, SF, etc will turn off a ton of people.

Trump and his America first will have a field day with that. You want America to be like this?

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As far as Biden, I think virtually everyone but the true Dem sycophants would agree he's extremely dislikeable at this point as a candidate. His favorability ratings show that. In other words, that's not in question.

Where I think we disagree is the favorability of Trump to the general US population. I'll go on record as stating that if COVID didn't come along Trump would likely have won the 2020 election walking away - in other words he would have had too great a margin to be swayed by interference in AZ, GA, etc.

But even you acknowledge he might be more disliked now than in 2020. In your opinion its not by much; however, in my opinion its by a significantly larger margin. You're counting on people swallowing their dislike (sometimes hatred) of Trump to vote for him because the alternative will be Biden. But I truly believe Trump's too disliked now to win the majority of the voters no matter how bad Biden has been.

What'll make matters worse is that I don't believe Biden will be the Dem candidate. I believe it'll be Newsome. He'll distance himself as much as possible from Biden's policies and present himself as something different, and millions of gulliable voters will buy it.

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Even better. Whoever the nominee ends up being, a constant barrage of "here is California", with pictures of LA, SF, etc will turn off a ton of people.

Trump and his America first will have a field day with that. You want America to be like this?

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Desantis can have a field day with the Cali vs FL comparison, sure. But not Trump. Why? Because Trump is now on record praising Newsome. AND he's on record saying Cuomo in NY did the best job during COVID. Trump's already shot himself in the foot for a Trump v Newsome matchup.

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Trump benefited from that the first go-round with the "Never Hillary" vote, but now he suffers from the same problem.

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2016 - Trump received 65,844,610 votes
2020 - Trump received 74,223,975 votes

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And still lost because he helped bring out even more people who hated him to vote against him. And many of them voted against their own party at that. That's a special talent he has.

Then again, he's got his maga thrashing the future of the party (DeSantis) to the point that his political career might be over before it really starts. A special talent indeed.

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So keep talking about 16 all you want but this is about 24.

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I've talked almost nonstop about 2020. The reason I talked about '16 in that thread is the specific question was about '15 and '16.

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2020 was three years ago. It's over. There was fraud, just enough...in the right areas...to win the EC. That's over and done with and was possible because he's so unlikable.

This is for 2024 and he's done NOTHING to reverse the same thing from happening again. Yet Desantis has, and won, thusly. An actual conservative, that wins, and leads. The opposite of Trump.

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DeSantis
1. Got a law passed in a local state with the support of the republicans that made up the majority
2. A president can't do that. Elections are controlled locally.

So, even if you believe DeSantis was the key in getting fair eledctions in Florida. he constitutionally can't do that at a federal level.

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As far as Biden, I think virtually everyone but the true Dem sycophants would agree he's extremely dislikeable at this point as a candidate. His favorability ratings show that. In other words, that's not in question.

Where I think we disagree is the favorability of Trump to the general US population. I'll go on record as stating that if COVID didn't come along Trump would likely have won the 2020 election walking away - in other words he would have had too great a margin to be swayed by interference in AZ, GA, etc.

But even you acknowledge he might be more disliked now than in 2020. In your opinion its not by much; however, in my opinion its by a significantly larger margin. You're counting on people swallowing their dislike (sometimes hatred) of Trump to vote for him because the alternative will be Biden. But I truly believe Trump's too disliked now to win the majority of the voters no matter how bad Biden has been.

What'll make matters worse is that I don't believe Biden will be the Dem candidate. I believe it'll be Newsome. He'll distance himself as much as possible from Biden's policies and present himself as something different, and millions of gulliable voters will buy it.

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Even better. Whoever the nominee ends up being, a constant barrage of "here is California", with pictures of LA, SF, etc will turn off a ton of people.

Trump and his America first will have a field day with that. You want America to be like this?

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Desantis can have a field day with the Cali vs FL comparison, sure. But not Trump. Why? Because Trump is now on record praising Newsome. AND he's on record saying Cuomo in NY did the best job during COVID. Trump's already shot himself in the foot for a Trump v Newsome matchup.

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Lol, such praise.

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You have a very ambitious guy in California, but he's done a terrible job with the state," Trump, who is also a 2024 presidential candidate, said in an interview on Fox News' "Tucker Carlson Tonight." "I used to get along great with him when I was president. Got along really good ... Gavin

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There is nobody other than the most severe TDS affected individuals that won't vote for Trump based on that comment.

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So keep talking about 16 all you want but this is about 24.

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I've talked almost nonstop about 2020. The reason I talked about '16 in that thread is the specific question was about '15 and '16.

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2020 was three years ago. It's over. There was fraud, just enough...in the right areas...to win the EC. That's over and done with and was possible because he's so unlikable.

This is for 2024 and he's done NOTHING to reverse the same thing from happening again. Yet Desantis has, and won, thusly. An actual conservative, that wins, and leads. The opposite of Trump.

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DeSantis
1. Got a law passed in a local state with the support of the republicans that made up the majority
2. A president can't do that. Elections are controlled locally.

So, even if you believe DeSantis was the key in getting fair eledctions in Florida. he constitutionally can't do that at a federal level.

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It's been WAY more than that. He's a leader, and has organized a team of competent people for things like door-knocking campaign's. GOTV initiatives, etc.

That's what a competent leader does, not just "Yay, Me!" rallies.