Flying Crowbar said:

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'Official' threads get five stars before and after the title. Not four before and three after.

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He's a Lincoln Project Republican, what do you expect?

BREAKING: @FoxNews confirms Florida Governor @RonDeSantis will announce his 2024 Presidential run tomorrow night, 6pm ET in a Twitter Spaces interview with @elonmusk.

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) May 23, 2023

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Aglaw97 said:

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Not a fan of the WaPo, but they're not wrong here. Trump will do more to turn out the Dem base and some independents, plus keeping some Republicans home, than anything Biden could do.

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Voter harvesting will get the dem base out. Acorn was all set up and prepped nb taxpayer dollars. To win, we have to stir up the REPUBLICAN BASE.

Trump got more votes than any republican in history, even after Dominion changed votes. That's our shot.

Trump won labor. Good, hard working people that typically voted democrat. That's why he got more votes than any republican ever.

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Trump talks about an organization but so far he has done nothing. He holds rallies and raises money but he spends most of it on ads and paying and entertaining influencers and grifters like Rich Baris that fluff him. He hasn't done anything to actually build a true grass roots, door knocking organization outside of general support for Turning Point. Listen to them though and they aren't getting major funding from him, they are begging for their own cash and Trump isn't fundraising for them or anything. Trump is notorious for not sharing resources or raising money for others, for him his endorsement is more than enough and they owe him loyalty for life if he gives it.

DeSantis built a very real and very strong organization in FL. He's up almost 800k GOP Net Registrations in 5 years there because of his agenda and grass roots. He works the hell out of the ground game. He raises money for State and Local races as well because he knows those folks will get him votes he needs while also getting them elected. It's a completely different approach.

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Let me throw some more actual facts out there.

Trump already built the base. Nobody worked harder to do it than him to build his base. Nobody. He was constantly all over the country building his base during the 2016 campaign. And, he did it with the media throwing out lie after lie. But, Trump took it to them and turned their "fake news" narrative around on them. And, continued to successfully build his base. In 2020, dude got more votes than any republican in history. Oh, did I mention he accomplished this with the FBI focused 100% on him, and the RINO's in DC impeaching him, twice?

Yea, DeSantis accomplished this in the small area of Florida. And I'm sure he had a bit of media to deal with. But ne's not done anything comparable to what Trump did.

Fundraising for others? Seriously? Crap like this is why I continue the laugh/cry face. It's just stupid. Look at all the candidates Trump fundraised for. Out on the trail actually working for others. And not just a few races in his home state. Nationally. As in working his ass off traveling around the country.

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Are we talking about 2016 or 2024? Trump has been hanging out in Mar a Lago outside of the Town Hall and the Waco rally. He also has been exposed for running fundraisers for others but actually keeping most of the money himself multiple times. Spending has to be reported and Trump isn't spending it on ground game or putting together infrastructure. He doesn't even sign up people at his rallies in any meaningful way, he just has stuff for them to buy.

Trump is older now. He's talking about how he was cheated, how people need to be loyal to him, and why the primaries need to be over so he can just focus on Biden. It's not the same in any way as he was in '16 when he was hustling like crazy and connecting with people directly. It's almost all videos and "Truths" with the occasional appearance. Maybe that changes but so far it certainly hasn't happened.

Part of that means Trump will have to risk doing events that don't have 10k people there. You can draw that when you do an event once a month pretty easily. Do 4 events a day and it's a different ballgame. He did it in '20 but the level of enthusiasm is not there right now. He's going to have to work his ass off and start talking about what he is going to do instead of bashing DeSantis and talking about 2020. Trump's going to have to hustle and earn it because DeSantis is more than willing to do so.

Also, DeSantis has shown significant signs of a national organization already. He's been working State and Local folks for a while to build up trust. He's going to absolutely barnstorm as well, he is 44, in great shape, and ready to hit the road hard. By the time of the Primaries anyone in Iowa or NH that wants to shake his hand will have that opportunity for instance. He's also got a LOT of money and can run multiple high dollar campaigns in different states simultaneously. Trump supporters underestimate him at their own peril.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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If it's a states matter, why is his position on abortion so important?

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This is really hilarious. The only reason I can give Trump any credit is for his SCOTUS appointments (you know..that judiciary that is completely against Trump still....pause for laughter). To back pedal now is a telegraph to everyone that Trump is now just adjusting his tactic to appease a broader crowd. Screw those evangelicals. Additionally, Trump thinks he would still hold sway over states (as do many here) so if he can't deliver, then he's just blowing more hot air to do nothing but gain votes for something he won't follow through with.

Trump Denial Syndrome at its finest.

Tomorrow is the day !!!

Insert its happening gif

DeSantis 2024

TyHolden said:

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BREAKING: @FoxNews confirms Florida Governor @RonDeSantis will announce his 2024 Presidential run tomorrow night, 6pm ET in a Twitter Spaces interview with @elonmusk.

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) May 23, 2023

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Maga loved it when Elon bought Twitter, mostly because he was going to let Trump back on Twitter.

Now that Elon is having a thing with DeSantis, it'll be interesting to see if their positive feelings towards Elon start at the same level, or if they are going to have an "et tu, Elon" moment.

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In the end though Trump is definitely to the Left of DeSantis on abortion even if you think 6 weeks plus exceptions is "Pro Life" by some bizarre logic.

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To be clear, Trump has ALWAYS been to the left of DeSantis' stance on abortion. Trump's focus has always been to take away federal funds from planned parenthood and overturn roe vs wade. being against unlimited abortions has always been his stance. Even when President, many criticized his stance on abortion. That was some of the attacks used against him back then.

This isn't some recent shift to the left.

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Trump has been very careful to avoid taking a stance for a date. 6 weeks plus exceptions is not an extreme position at all. It's FAR less restrictive than Texas and many other states. At best it was a foolish mistake by Trump to make that statement and show his cards, especially the way he said it. He could have said that he doesn't think a similar law nationally would work for instance but not say it was "too harsh". He could have not tried speaking for other Pro Lifers. Instead he just force all his Pro Life supporters to essentially say that 6 weeks plus exceptions is not only bad but "too harsh" and implied that stopping abortion is "harsh".

Like I said you can spin all you like but that was a big mistake and it's going to hurt him. It's going to be fun listening to him now have to define what HE thinks the limits on abortion should be now. It's a question he will have to answer and it is going to put him in a trap pretty much no matter what he says now.

No Spin Ag said:

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TyHolden said:

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BREAKING: @FoxNews confirms Florida Governor @RonDeSantis will announce his 2024 Presidential run tomorrow night, 6pm ET in a Twitter Spaces interview with @elonmusk.

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) May 23, 2023

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Maga loved it when Elon bought Twitter, mostly because he was going to let Trump back on Twitter.

Now that Elon is having a thing with DeSantis, it'll be interesting to see if their positive feelings towards Elon start at the same level, or if they are going to have an "et tu, Elon" moment.

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The hardcore folks are all hanging out on Truth and insulating themselves from the world.

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To me, the choice is simple. 100% of Trump supporters would vote for DeSantis in the general. The converse of that is not true.

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Typical Trumpster lie.

There are Trump supporters including people here who have publicly said they will not vote for DeSantis if he is the nominee.

You can find others around the Internet. Free Republic has a huge number of Only and Forever Trumpers who hate DeSantis more than they hate Biden or any other Democrat. They would rather see the country burn than anyone but Trump win.

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I think that's right. My belief is that net/net, Trump will do more for Biden than Desantis. The loss of Trump voters if Desantis is the candidate will not be greater than the voters that will show up and vote for Desantis and more importantly the number of Democrats or Independents that will just sit this one out as long as Trump isn't on the ballot.

There's a reason why the Democratic party wants Trump to be the nominee.

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You people still haven't figured out that it doesn't matter who shows up at the polls for the Democrats, their vote will be cast regardless.

ERIC anyone?

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ERIC anyone?

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To that point.

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A legal group's lawsuit to obtain Alaska's ERIC data reports about "potentially deceased registrants on the state's voter rolls" may proceed, a district court ruled last week.

As The Federalist previously reported, the Electronic Registration Information Center, or ERIC, is a widely used voter-roll management organization founded by Democrat activist David Becker that was "sold to states as a quick and easy way to update their voter rolls." In actuality, ERIC inflates voter rolls by requiring member states to contact eligible but unregistered residents to register to vote.

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In their lawsuit against Alaska Lt. Gov. Nancy Dahlstrom, the Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) is alleging that "ERIC reports are 'records' subject to the disclosure provision of the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA)." Under the NVRA, states are required to make "available for public inspection, for a period of at least two years, all records concerning the implementation of programs and activities conducted for the purpose of ensuring the accuracy and currency of official lists of eligible voters." The two exceptions to this provision are documents revealing the identity of the government agency through which any particular registrant was registered and those showing an individual declined to register to vote.

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Writing for the court, Judge Sharon Gleason ruled Dahlstrom's assertions that PILF failed to effectively "state a claim" in its complaint and that the NVRA doesn't require the division "to disclose the deceased voter reports it received from ERIC" are invalid.

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Not getting my hopes up but the fight is continuing.

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TyHolden said:

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BREAKING: @FoxNews confirms Florida Governor @RonDeSantis will announce his 2024 Presidential run tomorrow night, 6pm ET in a Twitter Spaces interview with @elonmusk.

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) May 23, 2023

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Maga loved it when Elon bought Twitter, mostly because he was going to let Trump back on Twitter.

Now that Elon is having a thing with DeSantis, it'll be interesting to see if their positive feelings towards Elon start at the same level, or if they are going to have an "et tu, Elon" moment.

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The hardcore folks are all hanging out on Truth and insulating themselves from the world.

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Yall are super concerned about Trump supporters and very moderate in your thinking. So enlightened also.

It really is hilarious that the people who claim anyone but Trump is a RINO, except when he attacks from a RINO position, that is just a states rights issue, so it doesn't apply to him.

The goalpost moving must get tiring.

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It really is hilarious that the people who claim anyone but Trump is a RINO, except when he attacks from a RINO position, that is just a states rights issue, so it doesn't apply to him.

The goalpost moving must get tiring.

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It really does border on a cult-like insanity. One of my favorites is "everyone does it, outright lying, false accusations and slander and adopting liberal positions is just part of gearing up for the GOP primaries...everyone does this, were you born yesterday???".

No. No one else is doing this. Just Trump. Literally, just Trump.

Until you call out the defensiveness, then you are just being a mean person who is the reason that they won't support anyone else.

I tend to vote for who the best candidate is, not which candidate embraces supporters that will let me live in denial. But to each their own.

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It really is hilarious that the people who claim anyone but Trump is a RINO, except when he attacks from a RINO position, that is just a states rights issue, so it doesn't apply to him.

The goalpost moving must get tiring.

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It doesn't apply to anyone in federal politics if it's a state's rights issue. Sorry you can't see it.

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TyHolden said:

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BREAKING: @FoxNews confirms Florida Governor @RonDeSantis will announce his 2024 Presidential run tomorrow night, 6pm ET in a Twitter Spaces interview with @elonmusk.

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) May 23, 2023

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Maga loved it when Elon bought Twitter, mostly because he was going to let Trump back on Twitter.

Now that Elon is having a thing with DeSantis, it'll be interesting to see if their positive feelings towards Elon start at the same level, or if they are going to have an "et tu, Elon" moment.

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The hardcore folks are all hanging out on Truth and insulating themselves from the world.

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Yall are super concerned about Trump supporters and very moderate in your thinking. So enlightened also.

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Your boy attacks Desantis for being too hard against abortion and for not locking the state down for much longer. And that is when he's not making up outright lies about Desantis being "endorsed by Soros" or a "groomer" of teenage girls...or just hurling childish insults like "Tiny Desantis is only 5'7".

The guy is awful. Just a complete slimeball. And I could not wait to vote for him in 2020.

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TyHolden said:

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BREAKING: @FoxNews confirms Florida Governor @RonDeSantis will announce his 2024 Presidential run tomorrow night, 6pm ET in a Twitter Spaces interview with @elonmusk.

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) May 23, 2023

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Maga loved it when Elon bought Twitter, mostly because he was going to let Trump back on Twitter.

Now that Elon is having a thing with DeSantis, it'll be interesting to see if their positive feelings towards Elon start at the same level, or if they are going to have an "et tu, Elon" moment.

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Actually, I think his "thing" may end up being with Scott
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Twitter CEO Elon Musk expressed his support for Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.)'s presidential campaign for the second time in less than a week following Scott's entrance into the race Friday, adding to the mystique surrounding Musk's nebulous political leanings and speculation about whether he was rethinking his previous plans to support Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis for the 2024 GOP nomination.

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No matter, most are thrilled he added free speech again to Twitter.

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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It really is hilarious that the people who claim anyone but Trump is a RINO, except when he attacks from a RINO position, that is just a states rights issue, so it doesn't apply to him.

The goalpost moving must get tiring.

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It doesn't apply to anyone in federal politics if it's a state's rights issue. Sorry you can't see it.

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Still goaltending and ignoring the fact that Trump is saying that Desantis should not be so anti-abortion. That he should loosen restrictions. He always attacks from a liberal position. That's all he can do, because Desantis is an actual conservative.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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It really is hilarious that the people who claim anyone but Trump is a RINO, except when he attacks from a RINO position, that is just a states rights issue, so it doesn't apply to him.

The goalpost moving must get tiring.

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It doesn't apply to anyone in federal politics if it's a state's rights issue. Sorry you can't see it.

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He's attacking a governor in his home state about the issues he is proposing for his state. He is claiming that DeSantis is being too conservative. Quit deflecting, trump is an idiot in this situation.

Ok? So what? I don't care (at this point) if Trump doesn't fit in a normal conservative box. All it is is labeling. Trump is trying to get the moderates on abortion to consider him because he's not as "restrictive " in his views on abortion. He's simply highlighting a subtle difference between he and DeSantis in an attempt to pick up votes. Neither of them will be able to make changes to abortion law (federally) so both of their positions on abortion are meaningless.

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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It really is hilarious that the people who claim anyone but Trump is a RINO, except when he attacks from a RINO position, that is just a states rights issue, so it doesn't apply to him.

The goalpost moving must get tiring.

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It doesn't apply to anyone in federal politics if it's a state's rights issue. Sorry you can't see it.

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He's attacking a governor in his home state about the issues he is proposing for his state. He is claiming that DeSantis is being too conservative. Quit deflecting, trump is an idiot in this situation.

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He's only an idiot to those who can't see what he's doing. He's trying to win an election so broad speak is the norm until debates start. Why is everyone surprised Trump is criticizing DeSantis? What were you expecting?

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TyHolden said:

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BREAKING: @FoxNews confirms Florida Governor @RonDeSantis will announce his 2024 Presidential run tomorrow night, 6pm ET in a Twitter Spaces interview with @elonmusk.

— Bill Melugin (@BillMelugin_) May 23, 2023

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Maga loved it when Elon bought Twitter, mostly because he was going to let Trump back on Twitter.

Now that Elon is having a thing with DeSantis, it'll be interesting to see if their positive feelings towards Elon start at the same level, or if they are going to have an "et tu, Elon" moment.

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The hardcore folks are all hanging out on Truth and insulating themselves from the world.

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Yall are super concerned about Trump supporters and very moderate in your thinking. So enlightened also.

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Your boy attacks Desantis for being too hard against abortion and for not locking the state down for much longer. And that is when he's not making up outright lies about Desantis being "endorsed by Soros" or a "groomer" of teenage girls...or just hurling childish insults like "Tiny Desantis is only 5'7".

The guy is awful. Just a complete slimeball. And I could not wait to vote for him in 2020.

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LOL

Also easily butthurt, I see

I am not diehard Trump supporter but I will vote for him if he is the R nominee.

At this point, I hope DeSantis is the pick but I am not going to spend every waking hour bashing people who would prefer Trump as I would hope they are intellectually capable of making a rational decision and not doing something horrendously stupid like voting D because they are afraid of mean tweets. Maybe that's just me

Ditto

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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It really is hilarious that the people who claim anyone but Trump is a RINO, except when he attacks from a RINO position, that is just a states rights issue, so it doesn't apply to him.

The goalpost moving must get tiring.

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It doesn't apply to anyone in federal politics if it's a state's rights issue. Sorry you can't see it.

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He's attacking a governor in his home state about the issues he is proposing for his state. He is claiming that DeSantis is being too conservative. Quit deflecting, trump is an idiot in this situation.

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He's only an idiot to those who can't see what he's doing. He's trying to win an election so broad speak is the norm until debates start. Why is everyone surprised Trump is criticizing DeSantis? What were you expecting?

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I thought Trump had a commanding lead. Why is the underdog the regional guy that doesn't seem to feel the need to address his primary opponent, yet the guy who "has it in the bag" is only spending time giving the regional guy national attention?

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Why is the underdog the regional guy that doesn't seem to feel the need to address his primary opponent

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LOL, DeSantis is not addressing Trump? Is that your take?

No, DeSantis is focused on the democrats and improving his state, from basically any interaction you see of him.

Are you going to answer the question?

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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It really is hilarious that the people who claim anyone but Trump is a RINO, except when he attacks from a RINO position, that is just a states rights issue, so it doesn't apply to him.

The goalpost moving must get tiring.

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It doesn't apply to anyone in federal politics if it's a state's rights issue. Sorry you can't see it.

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He's attacking a governor in his home state about the issues he is proposing for his state. He is claiming that DeSantis is being too conservative. Quit deflecting, trump is an idiot in this situation.

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He's only an idiot to those who can't see what he's doing. He's trying to win an election so broad speak is the norm until debates start. Why is everyone surprised Trump is criticizing DeSantis? What were you expecting?

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Do you think this is "broad speak" and helpful for winning an election?

This is bizarre, delusional, and reads like it was written by a petulant child.

Frankly, it's embarrassing. pic.twitter.com/yaZYJzwO5k

— John Cardillo (@johncardillo) May 22, 2023

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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No, DeSantis is focused on the democrats and improving his state, from basically any interaction you see of him.

Are you going to answer the question?

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When the question itself is not true, no. DeSantis has taken alot of shots at trump. His first TV ad was about Trump.

So no, you won't answer the question.

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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So no, you won't answer the question.

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Answer: because it's an election and both candidates during an election go after each other, just like is happening now.

Can't dumb it down any further than that.

Oh really? What conservative positions has DeSantis attacked Trump for? Asking him to stop lying about him and focus on the democrats?

Concerned Moderate Trump has to attack from the left... he's a populist.

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I really? What conservative positions has DeSantis attacked Trump for?

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Huh? Conservative positioin? Your question was this

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I thought Trump had a commanding lead. Why is the underdog the regional guy that doesn't seem to feel the need to address his primary opponent, yet the guy who "has it in the bag" is only spending time giving the regional guy national attention?

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Went from not addressing his opponent to attacking conservative positions.

I realize TDS affects the brain to do things one normally wouldn't do. But damn, you posted that less than an hour ago.

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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I really? What conservative positions has DeSantis attacked Trump for?

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Huh? Conservative positioin? Your question was this

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I thought Trump had a commanding lead. Why is the underdog the regional guy that doesn't seem to feel the need to address his primary opponent, yet the guy who "has it in the bag" is only spending time giving the regional guy national attention?

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Went from not addressing his opponent to attacking conservative positions.

I realize TDS affects the brain to do things one normally wouldn't do. But damn, you posted that less than an hour ago.

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You said they were going after each other. You said DeSantis was taking shots at him. You changed the argument. How is DeSantis going after trump? Is your TDS that bad?