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You deflected from answering to Trump's move leftward by stating no party has taken good care of their base.

Trump's willingness to go left in his attacks is a pretty clear indicator that he is willing to ditch the people who got him elected to begin with.

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Where did I say no party has taken good care of its base?

That's exactly how I remember it. I got the sense that Trump didn't want her, but couldn't bring himself to endorse the same person as Desantis.

What is someone supposed to think you meant this post:

"Who has taken better care of their base historically?"

Given the context of this discussion, seems pretty obvious

CREAg87 said:

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You deflected from answering to Trump's move leftward by stating no party has taken good care of their base.

Trump's willingness to go left in his attacks is a pretty clear indicator that he is willing to ditch the people who got him elected to begin with.

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The people that got him elected are the working class. They don't support things like 100% ban on abortions, including rape and incest and as many foreign wars as possible. I know to the TDS this represents a position left of Biden, but this is what they support. Hell, Trump actually managed to defund planned parenthood, but he's still a left wing nut job to those with the worst cases of TDS.

These people that elected Trump do also support his actual track record at successfully executing policies such as lower taxes, a secure border, energy independence and US being strong overseas. They also don't believe in grooming children and the long list of things conservatives do believe in.

But, that's not satisfactory to the TDS. TRUMP IS A HUGE LIB!!! REEEEEEEEE

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Science Denier said:

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Zarathustra said:

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If that's true then why did trump endorse the female Mitt Romney to head the RNC? Romney is the epitome of the establishment rino.

Dhillon was going to revolutionize the republican party around grass roots blue collar issues and embracing mail in ballots and vote harvestings to beat the democrats at their own game. Trump endorsing Romney was the final nail in the coffin for me.

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Huh? From CNN

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But Trump stayed neutral in the race for RNC chair, stating that McDaniel and Dhillon should "fight it out." On Friday, he congratulated McDaniel on her "big WIN" in a post on his Truth Social platform.

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This is misleading. McDaniel was on the ropes and momentum was shifting against her. DeSantis came out and endorsed Dhillon. Then everyone was waiting on Trump. When he went "neutral" it was a fait accomplit that she would win because it was going to take both DeSantis and Trump coming out against her to defeat her and the GOPe. I followed it VERY closely in real time listening to folks like Charlie Kirk who is a HUGE Trump guy and was at the convention. Trump also had himself in a pickle because Mike Lindell was foolishly running though he had zero shot and took a few votes from Dhillon, Trump would have had to have a tough call with My PIllow Guy to NOT endorse him openly. Trump's "non endorsement" was all McDaniel needed and the Swamp rats in the RNC just voted for their continued fat lifestyle and consultant deals.

Any way you slice it though, Trump endorses Dhillon and she wins. The opportunity was right there and he balked and it was also pretty evident that McDaniel have him concessions under the table in regards to future debates and primary scheduling and the many other ways the RNC can shift the game. It's an easy to see farce with anyone who knows how politics works. Don't forget that McDaniel was Trump's original pick as the head of the Michigan GOP back in '16.

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Guys, Facts Denier, excuse me Science Denier, isn't interested in facts or logic. He's invested 100% emotionally with Trump. There's no point arguing with him, he's never going to change his mind or admit when he and/or Trump are wrong. His "bit" is to laugh/cry emoji a deflection and keep trolling.

Science Denier said:

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CREAg87 said:

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You deflected from answering to Trump's move leftward by stating no party has taken good care of their base.

Trump's willingness to go left in his attacks is a pretty clear indicator that he is willing to ditch the people who got him elected to begin with.

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The people that got him elected are the working class. They don't support things like 100% ban on abortions, including rape and incest and as many foreign wars as possible. I know to the TDS this represents a position left of Biden, but this is what they support. Hell, Trump actually managed to defund planned parenthood, but he's still a left wing nut job to those with the worst cases of TDS.

These people that elected Trump do also support his actual track record at successfully executing policies such as lower taxes, a secure border, energy independence and US being strong overseas. They also don't believe in grooming children and the long list of things conservatives do believe in.

But, that's not satisfactory to the TDS. TRUMP IS A HUGE LIB!!! REEEEEEEEE

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LMAO

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What is someone supposed to think you meant this post:

"Who has taken better care of their base historically?"

Given the context of this discussion, seems pretty obvious

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Correct..but I'm discussing Trump and what he did, not a party. Trump was the best in my lifetime at doing what he said he was going to do. That is "serving the base" in my opinion.

Science Denier said:

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CREAg87 said:

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You deflected from answering to Trump's move leftward by stating no party has taken good care of their base.

Trump's willingness to go left in his attacks is a pretty clear indicator that he is willing to ditch the people who got him elected to begin with.

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The people that got him elected are the working class. They don't support things like 100% ban on abortions, including rape and incest and as many foreign wars as possible. I know to the TDS this represents a position left of Biden, but this is what they support. Hell, Trump actually managed to defund planned parenthood, but he's still a left wing nut job to those with the worst cases of TDS.

These people that elected Trump do also support his actual track record at successfully executing policies such as lower taxes, a secure border, energy independence and US being strong overseas. They also don't believe in grooming children and the long list of things conservatives do believe in.

But, that's not satisfactory to the TDS. TRUMP IS A HUGE LIB!!! REEEEEEEEE

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Nah, it's more the COVID stuff for me. He won't even let it go to this day!

CREAg87 said:

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You deflected from answering to Trump's move leftward by stating no party has taken good care of their base.

Trump's willingness to go left in his attacks is a pretty clear indicator that he is willing to ditch the people who got him elected to begin with.

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Reading his actual quote, he says Trump has taken care of his base better than anyone.

That's different than saying nobody has taken care of thier base.

Trump is amazing with his base.

Science Denier said:

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CREAg87 said:

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You deflected from answering to Trump's move leftward by stating no party has taken good care of their base.

Trump's willingness to go left in his attacks is a pretty clear indicator that he is willing to ditch the people who got him elected to begin with.

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Reading his actual quote, he says Trump has taken care of his base better than anyone.

That's different than saying nobody has taken care of thier base.

Trump is amazing with his base.

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More a reflection of his base of cultists not caring about anything except for defending/following whatever trump does, even if it's not conservative (like his recent attacks on DeSantis from the left) or objectively moronic (like his constant 3rd grade level insults and unhinged rants.)

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Zarathustra said:

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If that's true then why did trump endorse the female Mitt Romney to head the RNC? Romney is the epitome of the establishment rino.

Dhillon was going to revolutionize the republican party around grass roots blue collar issues and embracing mail in ballots and vote harvestings to beat the democrats at their own game. Trump endorsing Romney was the final nail in the coffin for me.

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Huh? From CNN

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But Trump stayed neutral in the race for RNC chair, stating that McDaniel and Dhillon should "fight it out." On Friday, he congratulated McDaniel on her "big WIN" in a post on his Truth Social platform.

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This is misleading. McDaniel was on the ropes and momentum was shifting against her. DeSantis came out and endorsed Dhillon. Then everyone was waiting on Trump. When he went "neutral" it was a fait accomplit that she would win because it was going to take both DeSantis and Trump coming out against her to defeat her and the GOPe. I followed it VERY closely in real time listening to folks like Charlie Kirk who is a HUGE Trump guy and was at the convention. Trump also had himself in a pickle because Mike Lindell was foolishly running though he had zero shot and took a few votes from Dhillon, Trump would have had to have a tough call with My PIllow Guy to NOT endorse him openly. Trump's "non endorsement" was all McDaniel needed and the Swamp rats in the RNC just voted for their continued fat lifestyle and consultant deals.

Any way you slice it though, Trump endorses Dhillon and she wins. The opportunity was right there and he balked and it was also pretty evident that McDaniel have him concessions under the table in regards to future debates and primary scheduling and the many other ways the RNC can shift the game. It's an easy to see farce with anyone who knows how politics works. Don't forget that McDaniel was Trump's original pick as the head of the Michigan GOP back in '16.

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Guys, Facts Denier, excuse me Science Denier, isn't interested in facts or logic. He's invested 100% emotionally with Trump. There's no point arguing with him, he's never going to change his mind or admit when he and/or Trump are wrong. His "bit" is to laugh/cry emoji a deflection and keep trolling.

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LOL, facts?

TDS: Trump endorsed McDaniel
Facts: Uh, Trump did not endorse McDaniel
TDS: Well, ok, technically, but in not endorsing her, he really did endorse her
Facts: Uh, Trump did not endorse McDaniel
TDS: YOU ARE IGNORING THE FACTS!!!

Yea, this is the stuff that is very entertaining.

I know this may be a thought that is tough for some to understand. If Trump wanted McDaniel, he would have endorsed her. You see, Trump's history is for him to speak his mind, right or wrong. This is evident even by the resident folks that don't like him. One of their biggest criticisms of Trump is not knowing when to shutup. yet, all of a sudden, these same people are trying to say that's exactly what he did here.

Science Denier said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Zarathustra said:

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If that's true then why did trump endorse the female Mitt Romney to head the RNC? Romney is the epitome of the establishment rino.

Dhillon was going to revolutionize the republican party around grass roots blue collar issues and embracing mail in ballots and vote harvestings to beat the democrats at their own game. Trump endorsing Romney was the final nail in the coffin for me.

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Huh? From CNN

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But Trump stayed neutral in the race for RNC chair, stating that McDaniel and Dhillon should "fight it out." On Friday, he congratulated McDaniel on her "big WIN" in a post on his Truth Social platform.

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This is misleading. McDaniel was on the ropes and momentum was shifting against her. DeSantis came out and endorsed Dhillon. Then everyone was waiting on Trump. When he went "neutral" it was a fait accomplit that she would win because it was going to take both DeSantis and Trump coming out against her to defeat her and the GOPe. I followed it VERY closely in real time listening to folks like Charlie Kirk who is a HUGE Trump guy and was at the convention. Trump also had himself in a pickle because Mike Lindell was foolishly running though he had zero shot and took a few votes from Dhillon, Trump would have had to have a tough call with My PIllow Guy to NOT endorse him openly. Trump's "non endorsement" was all McDaniel needed and the Swamp rats in the RNC just voted for their continued fat lifestyle and consultant deals.

Any way you slice it though, Trump endorses Dhillon and she wins. The opportunity was right there and he balked and it was also pretty evident that McDaniel have him concessions under the table in regards to future debates and primary scheduling and the many other ways the RNC can shift the game. It's an easy to see farce with anyone who knows how politics works. Don't forget that McDaniel was Trump's original pick as the head of the Michigan GOP back in '16.

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Guys, Facts Denier, excuse me Science Denier, isn't interested in facts or logic. He's invested 100% emotionally with Trump. There's no point arguing with him, he's never going to change his mind or admit when he and/or Trump are wrong. His "bit" is to laugh/cry emoji a deflection and keep trolling.

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LOL, facts?

TDS: Trump endorsed McDaniel
Facts: Uh, Trump did not endorse McDaniel
TDS: Well, ok, technically, but in not endorsing her, he really did endorse her
Facts: Uh, Trump did not endorse McDaniel
TDS: YOU ARE IGNORING THE FACTS!!!

Yea, this is the stuff that is very entertaining.

I know this may be a thought that is tough for some to understand. If Trump wanted McDaniel, he would have endorsed her. You see, Trump's history is for him to speak his mind, right or wrong. This is evident even by the resident folks that don't like him. One of their biggest criticisms of Trump is not knowing when to shutup. yet, all of a sudden, these same people are trying to say that's exactly what he did here.

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Fine. I give up. You're a cultist.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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BG Knocc Out said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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If it's a states matter, why is his position on abortion so important?

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Ask your boy Trump, man. I don't know why he is behaving like a braindead liberal and attacking Desantis for being pro-life and pro-freedom/anti-lockdown. Face it, Trump is a pro-abortion, pro-lockdown, fake "vaccine" pushing pimp. Had I known this is how he would have turned out, no way I would have been so excited to vote for him in 2020.

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You don't know why he's attacking DeSantis? He's his opponent (maybe), and he's identified a difference in positions that can be exploited to capture more votes. Calling Trump pro abortion just shows how little you understand on what he actually did.

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Trump said 6 weeks PLUS exceptions is "Too Harsh". Spin all you want but that is a "Pro Abortion" position. He is literally saying that not only should abortion be legal but it needs to go beyond 6 weeks plus exceptions. He hasn't even defined what that limit is either. 10 weeks? 15? Who knows. All we DO know is he thinks that abortion should be legal BEYOND 6 weeks and exceptions. That is "Pro Abortion" regardless of whether it is politically savvy. Trump also is someone that has "evolved" on abortion multiple times in his life so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Science Denier said:

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CREAg87 said:

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You deflected from answering to Trump's move leftward by stating no party has taken good care of their base.

Trump's willingness to go left in his attacks is a pretty clear indicator that he is willing to ditch the people who got him elected to begin with.

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Reading his actual quote, he says Trump has taken care of his base better than anyone.

That's different than saying nobody has taken care of thier base.

Trump is amazing with his base.

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More a reflection of his base of cultists not caring about anything except for defending/following whatever trump does, even if it's not conservative (like his recent attacks on DeSantis from the left) or objectively moronic (like his constant 3rd grade level insults and unhinged rants.)

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So, it's a reflection of a cult to say he takes care of his base? He did everything he said he would do while in office. He may not have accomplished everything, but he fought hard for everything.

What stance "from the left" has Trump changed since he was in office? This should be good!!

Science Denier said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Zarathustra said:

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If that's true then why did trump endorse the female Mitt Romney to head the RNC? Romney is the epitome of the establishment rino.

Dhillon was going to revolutionize the republican party around grass roots blue collar issues and embracing mail in ballots and vote harvestings to beat the democrats at their own game. Trump endorsing Romney was the final nail in the coffin for me.

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Huh? From CNN

Quote:

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But Trump stayed neutral in the race for RNC chair, stating that McDaniel and Dhillon should "fight it out." On Friday, he congratulated McDaniel on her "big WIN" in a post on his Truth Social platform.

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This is misleading. McDaniel was on the ropes and momentum was shifting against her. DeSantis came out and endorsed Dhillon. Then everyone was waiting on Trump. When he went "neutral" it was a fait accomplit that she would win because it was going to take both DeSantis and Trump coming out against her to defeat her and the GOPe. I followed it VERY closely in real time listening to folks like Charlie Kirk who is a HUGE Trump guy and was at the convention. Trump also had himself in a pickle because Mike Lindell was foolishly running though he had zero shot and took a few votes from Dhillon, Trump would have had to have a tough call with My PIllow Guy to NOT endorse him openly. Trump's "non endorsement" was all McDaniel needed and the Swamp rats in the RNC just voted for their continued fat lifestyle and consultant deals.

Any way you slice it though, Trump endorses Dhillon and she wins. The opportunity was right there and he balked and it was also pretty evident that McDaniel have him concessions under the table in regards to future debates and primary scheduling and the many other ways the RNC can shift the game. It's an easy to see farce with anyone who knows how politics works. Don't forget that McDaniel was Trump's original pick as the head of the Michigan GOP back in '16.

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Guys, Facts Denier, excuse me Science Denier, isn't interested in facts or logic. He's invested 100% emotionally with Trump. There's no point arguing with him, he's never going to change his mind or admit when he and/or Trump are wrong. His "bit" is to laugh/cry emoji a deflection and keep trolling.

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LOL, facts?

TDS: Trump endorsed McDaniel
Facts: Uh, Trump did not endorse McDaniel
TDS: Well, ok, technically, but in not endorsing her, he really did endorse her
Facts: Uh, Trump did not endorse McDaniel
TDS: YOU ARE IGNORING THE FACTS!!!

Yea, this is the stuff that is very entertaining.

I know this may be a thought that is tough for some to understand. If Trump wanted McDaniel, he would have endorsed her. You see, Trump's history is for him to speak his mind, right or wrong. This is evident even by the resident folks that don't like him. One of their biggest criticisms of Trump is not knowing when to shutup. yet, all of a sudden, these same people are trying to say that's exactly what he did here.

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I didn't post the 2020 quote, didn't even get that far down in the thread. I saw the original quote and responded. I posted here before, during, and since on the RNC election and saw what was happening. Trump is the reason we have McDaniel. Spin away.

BTW, when you respond to every post with a laugh/cry emoji it doesn't help your credibility.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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BG Knocc Out said:

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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If it's a states matter, why is his position on abortion so important?

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Ask your boy Trump, man. I don't know why he is behaving like a braindead liberal and attacking Desantis for being pro-life and pro-freedom/anti-lockdown. Face it, Trump is a pro-abortion, pro-lockdown, fake "vaccine" pushing pimp. Had I known this is how he would have turned out, no way I would have been so excited to vote for him in 2020.

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You don't know why he's attacking DeSantis? He's his opponent (maybe), and he's identified a difference in positions that can be exploited to capture more votes. Calling Trump pro abortion just shows how little you understand on what he actually did.

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Trump said 6 weeks PLUS exceptions is "Too Harsh". Spin all you want but that is a "Pro Abortion" position. He is literally saying that not only should abortion be legal but it needs to go beyond 6 weeks plus exceptions. He hasn't even defined what that limit is either. 10 weeks? 15? Who knows. All we DO know is he thinks that abortion should be legal BEYOND 6 weeks and exceptions. That is "Pro Abortion" regardless of whether it is politically savvy. Trump also is someone that has "evolved" on abortion multiple times in his life so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

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No, he didn't. Remember the REEEEE when Trump claimed Soros didn't say he wanted DeSantis to win, but said he wanted Trump to run as 3rd party? Even though Trump won't run as 3rd party unless he loses, he never outright said he wanted DeSantis to win.

Here is what Trump actually said on abortion

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"He signed six weeks, and many people within the pro-life movement feel that that was too harsh," Trump told the Messenger website, while declining to say whether he personally supports or opposes the legislation.

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Trump did what he said he would do. Defund planned parenthood and got Roe vs Wade overturned with his SC nominations. It's up to the states to determine what restrictions, if any, will be put on abortion.

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Not a fan of the WaPo, but they're not wrong here. Trump will do more to turn out the Dem base and some independents, plus keeping some Republicans home, than anything Biden could do.

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Voter harvesting will get the dem base out. Acorn was all set up and prepped nb taxpayer dollars. To win, we have to stir up the REPUBLICAN BASE.

Trump got more votes than any republican in history, even after Dominion changed votes. That's our shot.

Trump won labor. Good, hard working people that typically voted democrat. That's why he got more votes than any republican ever.

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Trump talks about an organization but so far he has done nothing. He holds rallies and raises money but he spends most of it on ads and paying and entertaining influencers and grifters like Rich Baris that fluff him. He hasn't done anything to actually build a true grass roots, door knocking organization outside of general support for Turning Point. Listen to them though and they aren't getting major funding from him, they are begging for their own cash and Trump isn't fundraising for them or anything. Trump is notorious for not sharing resources or raising money for others, for him his endorsement is more than enough and they owe him loyalty for life if he gives it.

DeSantis built a very real and very strong organization in FL. He's up almost 800k GOP Net Registrations in 5 years there because of his agenda and grass roots. He works the hell out of the ground game. He raises money for State and Local races as well because he knows those folks will get him votes he needs while also getting them elected. It's a completely different approach.

Trump supporters don't care about any of that

Trump's ads attacking DeSantis are childish. Personally, I'd love to see a DeSantis-Scott ticket. I'll vote for Trump if he's the nominee, but my enthusiasm will be very low and nothing Trump can or will do will change that. I've lost too much respect for him at this point.

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How can DeSantis have an attack ad out on Trump if he's not announced yet? Thought you had to officially announce if you are buying campaign ads.

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This is where you really should take a second before you post something and show you have no clue what you are talking about.

An interview with Jim Acosta and Al Franken saying DeSantis is running an attack ad and you just jump right in it. Ok, well anyone with any knowledge of modern politics knows that a PAC is able to do basically anything but an official campaign is very limited. This was "Never Back Down" which is DeSantis' PAC. It's not illegal or unusual in any way.

I mean do you really think Acosta and Franken are suddenly honest brokers?

Did you not see he phrased his response as a question? Yet you waste no time in accusing him of actually believing that crap Franken puts out.

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Science Denier said:

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Aglaw97 said:

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Not a fan of the WaPo, but they're not wrong here. Trump will do more to turn out the Dem base and some independents, plus keeping some Republicans home, than anything Biden could do.

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Voter harvesting will get the dem base out. Acorn was all set up and prepped nb taxpayer dollars. To win, we have to stir up the REPUBLICAN BASE.

Trump got more votes than any republican in history, even after Dominion changed votes. That's our shot.

Trump won labor. Good, hard working people that typically voted democrat. That's why he got more votes than any republican ever.

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Trump talks about an organization but so far he has done nothing. He holds rallies and raises money but he spends most of it on ads and paying and entertaining influencers and grifters like Rich Baris that fluff him. He hasn't done anything to actually build a true grass roots, door knocking organization outside of general support for Turning Point. Listen to them though and they aren't getting major funding from him, they are begging for their own cash and Trump isn't fundraising for them or anything. Trump is notorious for not sharing resources or raising money for others, for him his endorsement is more than enough and they owe him loyalty for life if he gives it.

DeSantis built a very real and very strong organization in FL. He's up almost 800k GOP Net Registrations in 5 years there because of his agenda and grass roots. He works the hell out of the ground game. He raises money for State and Local races as well because he knows those folks will get him votes he needs while also getting them elected. It's a completely different approach.

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Let me throw some more actual facts out there.

Trump already built the base. Nobody worked harder to do it than him to build his base. Nobody. He was constantly all over the country building his base during the 2016 campaign. And, he did it with the media throwing out lie after lie. But, Trump took it to them and turned their "fake news" narrative around on them. And, continued to successfully build his base. In 2020, dude got more votes than any republican in history. Oh, did I mention he accomplished this with the FBI focused 100% on him, and the RINO's in DC impeaching him, twice?

Yea, DeSantis accomplished this in the small area of Florida. And I'm sure he had a bit of media to deal with. But ne's not done anything comparable to what Trump did.

Fundraising for others? Seriously? Crap like this is why I continue the laugh/cry face. It's just stupid. Look at all the candidates Trump fundraised for. Out on the trail actually working for others. And not just a few races in his home state. Nationally. As in working his ass off traveling around the country.

The orange color is a nice touch.

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I mean do you really think Acosta and Franken are suddenly honest brokers?

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No I don't.

What does that have to do with the actual commercial? You don't need to listen to those two to see the actual commercial that was created.

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Ya know when you put Science Denier on permanent ignore, this thread is only two pages long really...

Dude is carrying more water for Trump than the oceans right now.

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I've never seen such abuse of the laugh-cry face in my life. It gives me an idea of who he used to be before. Which makes me rather sad

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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If it's a states matter, why is his position on abortion so important?

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Ask your boy Trump, man. I don't know why he is behaving like a braindead liberal and attacking Desantis for being pro-life and pro-freedom/anti-lockdown. Face it, Trump is a pro-abortion, pro-lockdown, fake "vaccine" pushing pimp. Had I known this is how he would have turned out, no way I would have been so excited to vote for him in 2020.

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You don't know why he's attacking DeSantis? He's his opponent (maybe), and he's identified a difference in positions that can be exploited to capture more votes. Calling Trump pro abortion just shows how little you understand on what he actually did.

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Trump said 6 weeks PLUS exceptions is "Too Harsh". Spin all you want but that is a "Pro Abortion" position. He is literally saying that not only should abortion be legal but it needs to go beyond 6 weeks plus exceptions. He hasn't even defined what that limit is either. 10 weeks? 15? Who knows. All we DO know is he thinks that abortion should be legal BEYOND 6 weeks and exceptions. That is "Pro Abortion" regardless of whether it is politically savvy. Trump also is someone that has "evolved" on abortion multiple times in his life so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

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No, he didn't. Remember the REEEEE when Trump claimed Soros didn't say he wanted DeSantis to win, but said he wanted Trump to run as 3rd party? Even though Trump won't run as 3rd party unless he loses, he never outright said he wanted DeSantis to win.

Here is what Trump actually said on abortion

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"He signed six weeks, and many people within the pro-life movement feel that that was too harsh," Trump told the Messenger website, while declining to say whether he personally supports or opposes the legislation.

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Trump did what he said he would do. Defund planned parenthood and got Roe vs Wade overturned with his SC nominations. It's up to the states to determine what restrictions, if any, will be put on abortion.

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Ever since he made that statement every person of note in the Pro Life community has disagreed with his statement. Trump gets credit for his actions as President but that statement showed it has never been about a principled position on being Pro Life but about political expedience for him. Trump would sell out on abortion in 2 seconds if he thought it was politically beneficial to him.

There is simply no world where 6 weeks plus exceptions being "too harsh" is a Pro Life position. It is a Pro Choice position. That's ok but it literally is the definition. Dobbs set no limits on restricting abortion outside of Life of the Mother which has never been in question.

In the end though Trump is definitely to the Left of DeSantis on abortion even if you think 6 weeks plus exceptions is "Pro Life" by some bizarre logic.

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I mean do you really think Acosta and Franken are suddenly honest brokers?

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No I don't.

What does that have to do with the actual commercial? You don't need to listen to those two to see the actual commercial that was created.

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You implied that there was something nefarious about DeSantis running the ad because he hasn't announced. It was his PAC not him. That's just how the game works. Posting Acosta and Franken to strengthen your argument is just not helping you.

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Did you not see he phrased his response as a question? Yet you waste no time in accusing him of actually believing that crap Franken puts out.

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He posted Acosta and Franken in a 7 minute video. Could have posted it many other ways.

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Funky Winkerbean said:

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If it's a states matter, why is his position on abortion so important?

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Ask your boy Trump, man. I don't know why he is behaving like a braindead liberal and attacking Desantis for being pro-life and pro-freedom/anti-lockdown. Face it, Trump is a pro-abortion, pro-lockdown, fake "vaccine" pushing pimp. Had I known this is how he would have turned out, no way I would have been so excited to vote for him in 2020.

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You don't know why he's attacking DeSantis? He's his opponent (maybe), and he's identified a difference in positions that can be exploited to capture more votes. Calling Trump pro abortion just shows how little you understand on what he actually did.

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So he's a liar, got it.

He was pro lockdown though. And VERY pro-vax.

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In the end though Trump is definitely to the Left of DeSantis on abortion even if you think 6 weeks plus exceptions is "Pro Life" by some bizarre logic.

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To be clear, Trump has ALWAYS been to the left of DeSantis' stance on abortion. Trump's focus has always been to take away federal funds from planned parenthood and overturn roe vs wade. being against unlimited abortions has always been his stance. Even when President, many criticized his stance on abortion. That was some of the attacks used against him back then.

This isn't some recent shift to the left.

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TDS is real.

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I'm not deranged when it comes to Trump. I'm deranged when it comes to giving any advantage to Dems seizing more power.

Trump is the tool they've used for 6 years to grab more power and will use again if he's the nominee. I'll do everything I can to make sure Dems don't have that tool anymore.

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Trump was not a tool, he was a victim.

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Good grief. Yes yes....poor Trump. Victimhood looks good on him. His entire campaign for '24 will consists of 'poor me' and 'stupid Desantis'. Pay no attention to him reversing course on some of his policies that got people to vote for him.

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I see you have forgotten all the crap pulled on him. You are exactly what the Democrats are hoping for. You can hate Trump until you are blue in the face, but he's a victim of the swamp. Period. The Democrats set out to make him toxic and succeeded but through various illegal or unethical means.

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Yes yes...its everyone else. Trump is the messiah and everyone who doesn't agree with him are heretics. Opinions and elbows. We'll just have to see it play out.

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I mean do you really think Acosta and Franken are suddenly honest brokers?

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No I don't.

What does that have to do with the actual commercial? You don't need to listen to those two to see the actual commercial that was created.

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You implied that there was something nefarious about DeSantis running the ad because he hasn't announced. It was his PAC not him. That's just how the game works. Posting Acosta and Franken to strengthen your argument is just not helping you.

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I asked the question. DeSantis has been very secretive about his expenses "campaigning" while not announcing. He got a law passed that his travels, even on state supplied transportation, are not subject to the public.

I didn't think, however, that he could have political adds run, even thru some PAC, which is why I asked the question.