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It took massive cheating to beat Trump in 2020 due to this huge democrat lead in labor. He also got record number of minority votes due to his actually helping them with good, high paying jobs. If Trump wins the nomination, he's going after those that now have learned their lessons. If DeSantis wins, he has to hammer HARD a similar America first narrative or these people that historically vote democrat will again vote democrat.

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The messaging doesn't have to be exactly the same to bring in votes besides the Republican base. DeSantis brings in voters who want sanity both in society as well as their presidents behavior. You can see the tide is starting to turn, and "woke" is becoming a dirty word. Desantis is the de facto leader in that fight on the Republican side.

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Yes... that's it. It's all TDS and cry / laughs when someone doesn't worship at the altar of your geriatric orange king.

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LOL

Not worshiping Trump is not TDS. That's stupid.

Saying a politician's last stop at coaching a decade ago is a better indication of his political success than is actual success at converting a democrat senate seat to republican a few years ago IS TDS.

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— Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) June 7, 2023

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Confirmed. You are clueless.

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Tuberville was coach of the year and went undefeated in 2004.

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So, just like Trump, his best days are behind him. Fitting.

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In football, not politics. He beat the **** out of an incumbent democrat to win his senate seat, which was a couple of years ago.

But I get what TDS does to one's brain and would ELEVATE the relavence of his football coaching career a decade ago to his senate campaign where he won by 20 points.

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Doug Jones was toast the day he took office. Roy Moore almost beat him and he was an accused pedo.

Let's not act like a Senate race in Alabama should be hard.

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— Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) June 7, 2023

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Brutal.

I seriously can't understand how any relatively intelligent person can believe that Trump is a better general election candidate than DeSantis

and all the Trumpists over the last 6 months have never actually given ANY analysis as to why Trump would be the strongest CANDIDATE to take on the leftists.

From Mike Pence kickoff:

"Trump, he said, "endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol" on the 6th. "But the American people deserve to know that on that day, President Trump also demanded I choose between him and our Constitution. Now voters will be faced with the same choice."

"I believe anyone that puts themselves over the Constitution should never be president of the United States, and anyone who asks someone else to put them over the Constitution should never be president of the United Sates again," he said.

Pence has spent much of the past two-and-a-half-years obliquely criticizing Trump, trying to navigate his political future in a party that has been transformed in Trump's image. But Wednesday, as he made his pitch to voters for the first time as a declared candidate, he did not hold his tongue.

He accused the former president of abandoning the conservative values he ran on, including on abortion. Pence, who supports a national ban on the procedure said that, "After leading the most pro-life administration in American history, Donald Trump and others in this race are retreating from the cause of the unborn. The sanctity of life has been our party's calling for half a century long before Donald Trump was a part of it. Now he treats it as an inconvenience, even blaming our election losses in 2022 on overturning Roe v. Wade."

Trump has declined to say what limits he supports nationally and has blamed some midterm candidates' rhetoric for their losses last November.

Mike Pence Blasts Donald Trump as Subverting Constitution

Old May Banker said:

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In his own words... but undoubtedly he meant them differently. A goalie will be along shortly to explain what he really meant to say.

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Oh you're in for it now, just wait, Facts Denier will be along shortly to laugh cry emoji tell you how you just have TDS then throw in some deflection that doesn't address Trump's lies and hypocrisy.

Been waiting for six months for ANY Trumpist

to write a cogent analysis of exactly why Trump is the best candidate to be the nominee in 2024.

Has anyone seen any response?

it's a pretty important question I would think. Considering if you ACTUALLY WANT TO WIN an election.

LMCane said:

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Been waiting for six months for ANY Trumpist

to write a cogent analysis of exactly why Trump is the best candidate to be the nominee in 2024.

Has anyone seen any response?

it's a pretty important question I would think. Considering if you ACTUALLY WANT TO WIN an election.

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The strongest argument is foreign policy record and that's valid. Trump was awfully damn solid on foreign policy and not starting wars. They can also bring up the economy up until 2020 but don't want to talk about anything that happened in 2020 outside of excusing it.

Outside of that though it's "proven warrior" language and maybe some debate clips with Hillary or Jeb from 7 years ago.

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Confirmed. You are clueless

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People who have their own facts aren't clueless. That's why everyone on F16 isn't clueless. In the words of George Castanza..."If you believe it...then it isn't a lie". This has gone for both sides these past few years here.

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Been waiting for six months for ANY Trumpist

to write a cogent analysis of exactly why Trump is the best candidate to be the nominee in 2024.

Has anyone seen any response?

it's a pretty important question I would think. Considering if you ACTUALLY WANT TO WIN an election.

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The strongest argument is foreign policy record and that's valid. Trump was awfully damn solid on foreign policy and not starting wars. They can also bring up the economy up until 2020 but don't want to talk about anything that happened in 2020 outside of excusing it.

Outside of that though it's "proven warrior" language and maybe some debate clips with Hillary or Jeb from 7 years ago.

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I'll give him the foreign policy stuff. Whether it was his personality or people simply didn't want to deal with him, the world stayed fairly neutral for 4 years.

Unfortunately, that was 70 year old Trump. I'm becoming more and more convinced that 76 year old Trump is starting to lose his marbles.

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Been waiting for six months for ANY Trumpist

to write a cogent analysis of exactly why Trump is the best candidate to be the nominee in 2024.

Has anyone seen any response?

it's a pretty important question I would think. Considering if you ACTUALLY WANT TO WIN an election.

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I made a thread just for that topic.
Why I favor Trump over DeSantis

Apparently, DeSantis hates WW II veterans.

It's worth reading the whole anecdote:

"Governor, I think there's a World War II veteran back there!" an aide told DeSantis as the crowd swarmed.

DeSantis gave a nod in the veteran's direction, flashed a thumbs-up, thanked him for his service and turned back to someone else…

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) June 5, 2023

How does that in anyway indicate what you are claiming?

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How does that in anyway indicate what you are claiming?

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Well, apparently if one doesn't stop what he's doing and walk over and give the dude a handshake, he's totally ignoring him and hates WW II veterans.

Didn't you get the memo?

Desantis owns a libtard interrupting his speech:

MUST WATCH: Crowd goes wild as @RonDeSantis ROASTS an enraged leftist who disrupted his speech.

“We're not gonna let you impose an agenda on our kids. We're gonna stand up for our kids! .... Those people like that in Florida are the people we beat EVERY SINGLE DAY” pic.twitter.com/pZHXkARZxK

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) June 2, 2023

Can Trump do this this well?

Hmm

Fake images posted by the Desantis campaign used to smear Trump

top left, bottom middle, bottom right

"Real Life Trump"

Complete and utter Biden level scumbaggery pic.twitter.com/z6rH9Fi55Q

— Tim Pool (@Timcast) June 8, 2023

Yeah. Everyone knows Trump is well known for playing fairly and never resorting to underhanded tactics against his opponents.

Trump was pushing **** about DeSantis sleeping with HS students when he was a teacher. All is fair.

I'm not a fan of this if true, does anyone have the original link from the DeSantis team?

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LMCane said:

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Been waiting for six months for ANY Trumpist

to write a cogent analysis of exactly why Trump is the best candidate to be the nominee in 2024.

Has anyone seen any response?

it's a pretty important question I would think. Considering if you ACTUALLY WANT TO WIN an election.

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I made a thread just for that topic.
Why I favor Trump over DeSantis

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He said "cogent analysis".

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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How does that in anyway indicate what you are claiming?

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Well, apparently if one doesn't stop what he's doing and walk over and give the dude a handshake, he's totally ignoring him and hates WW II veterans.

Didn't you get the memo?

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So you agree DeSantis is getting dragged unfairly? Deal.

It's pretty disgusting when anyone claims DeSantis, who volunteered for the Navy and served in Iraq and Gitmo, is somehow less caring about vet than Trump who did everything he could to avoid service. Trump was good to vets but DeSantis has a STRONG record on vets and actually served. DeSantis has done a LOT for vets in Florida and is always looking for ways to come up to help them out, the recruiting bonuses for ex military to become teachers is a good example.

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Of course I do. Same **** that Trump is dragged into. Wait until the criminal charges start piling up. He's already been hit with one.

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Yeah. Everyone knows Trump is well known for playing fairly and never resorting to underhanded tactics against his opponents.

Trump was pushing **** about DeSantis sleeping with HS students when he was a teacher. All is fair.

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So, you are OK with DeSantis doing it? LOL.

And Trump never pushed anything about sleeping with HS students. It was partying and drinking with HS students and put an actual picture. Not a made-up picture.

Trump shares photos of DeSantis alleging he partied and drank with high school girls when he was a teacher

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The "grooming" accusation was intended as a hypocrisy attack against DeSantis, whose staff have accused those who oppose his contentious sex education bill critics dub "Don't Say Gay" of "grooming."

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How does that in anyway indicate what you are claiming?

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Well, apparently if one doesn't stop what he's doing and walk over and give the dude a handshake, he's totally ignoring him and hates WW II veterans.

Didn't you get the memo?

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So you agree DeSantis is getting dragged unfairly? Deal.

It's pretty disgusting when anyone claims DeSantis, who volunteered for the Navy and served in Iraq and Gitmo, is somehow less caring about vet than Trump who did everything he could to avoid service. Trump was good to vets but DeSantis has a STRONG record on vets and actually served. DeSantis has done a LOT for vets in Florida and is always looking for ways to come up to help them out, the recruiting bonuses for ex military to become teachers is a good example.

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Of course I do. Same **** that Trump is dragged into. Wait until the criminal charges start piling up. He's already been hit with one.

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The difference is he doesn't do dumb, unnecessary **** like paying off porn stars, keeping documents he doesn't need to keep or calling the head of elections in Georgia and asking him to "find 11,000 votes." No question the left goes way overboard on most of what they've charged trump with but he definitely makes it easier on them by being an undisciplined idiot.

In contrast, basically everything DeSantis says or does has already been legally vetted and carefully planned internally before they move forward. I think the immigrant stunts are potentially a bad political move because it only motivates people who are already voting for him, but no way they'd be doing this if there was any actual legal danger to it.

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Science Denier said:

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LMCane said:

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Been waiting for six months for ANY Trumpist

to write a cogent analysis of exactly why Trump is the best candidate to be the nominee in 2024.

Has anyone seen any response?

it's a pretty important question I would think. Considering if you ACTUALLY WANT TO WIN an election.

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I made a thread just for that topic.
Why I favor Trump over DeSantis

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He said "cogent analysis".

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I don't know how to write in TDS, so I'm not sure I can write it for him to understand.

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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How does that in anyway indicate what you are claiming?

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Well, apparently if one doesn't stop what he's doing and walk over and give the dude a handshake, he's totally ignoring him and hates WW II veterans.

Didn't you get the memo?

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So you agree DeSantis is getting dragged unfairly? Deal.

It's pretty disgusting when anyone claims DeSantis, who volunteered for the Navy and served in Iraq and Gitmo, is somehow less caring about vet than Trump who did everything he could to avoid service. Trump was good to vets but DeSantis has a STRONG record on vets and actually served. DeSantis has done a LOT for vets in Florida and is always looking for ways to come up to help them out, the recruiting bonuses for ex military to become teachers is a good example.

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Of course I do. Same **** that Trump is dragged into. Wait until the criminal charges start piling up. He's already been hit with one.

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The difference is he doesn't do dumb, unnecessary **** like paying off porn stars, keeping documents he doesn't need to keep or calling the head of elections in Georgia and asking him to "find 11,000 votes." No question the left goes way overboard on most of what they've charged trump with but he definitely makes it easier on them by being an undisciplined idiot.

In contrast, basically everything DeSantis says or does has already been legally vetted and carefully planned internally before they move forward. I think the immigrant stunts are potentially a bad political move because it only motivates people who are already voting for him, but no way they'd be doing this if there was any actual legal danger to it.

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So, DeSantis carefully vetted the flights of illegals from Florida to Martha's Vinyard? Doesn't seem to matter.
Did DeSantis carefully vet the flights of illegals from Florida to California? Again, Doesn't seem to matter.
Did DeSantis vet pictures taken of him when he was a teacher partying with young students?
Did DeSantis vet the providers of a fundraiser, that included Maderna lobbyist Marc Lampkin, who is registered as a foreign agent for a Chinese semi-conductor manufacturer. This dude was also was registered as working for AbbVie, a pharmaceutical company that produces puberty blocker Lupron, from 2014.

You think Trump didn't vet his non-disclosure to a porn star? Again, doesn't seem to matter.
I'm sure Trump DIDN'T carefully vet his phone call yet was impeached over it. Doesn't seem to matter.
Did Pence carefully vet his removal of so-called "confidential" documents to take home? Did Biden? Doesn't seem to matter because their name didn't end with Trump.

The difference is that the name "Trump" is at the end of one of the persons we are talking about.

Science Denier said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Science Denier said:

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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How does that in anyway indicate what you are claiming?

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Well, apparently if one doesn't stop what he's doing and walk over and give the dude a handshake, he's totally ignoring him and hates WW II veterans.

Didn't you get the memo?

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So you agree DeSantis is getting dragged unfairly? Deal.

It's pretty disgusting when anyone claims DeSantis, who volunteered for the Navy and served in Iraq and Gitmo, is somehow less caring about vet than Trump who did everything he could to avoid service. Trump was good to vets but DeSantis has a STRONG record on vets and actually served. DeSantis has done a LOT for vets in Florida and is always looking for ways to come up to help them out, the recruiting bonuses for ex military to become teachers is a good example.

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Of course I do. Same **** that Trump is dragged into. Wait until the criminal charges start piling up. He's already been hit with one.

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The difference is he doesn't do dumb, unnecessary **** like paying off porn stars, keeping documents he doesn't need to keep or calling the head of elections in Georgia and asking him to "find 11,000 votes." No question the left goes way overboard on most of what they've charged trump with but he definitely makes it easier on them by being an undisciplined idiot.

In contrast, basically everything DeSantis says or does has already been legally vetted and carefully planned internally before they move forward. I think the immigrant stunts are potentially a bad political move because it only motivates people who are already voting for him, but no way they'd be doing this if there was any actual legal danger to it.

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So, DeSantis carefully vetted the flights of illegals from Florida to Martha's Vinyard? Doesn't seem to matter.
Did DeSantis carefully vet the flights of illegals from Florida to California? Again, Doesn't seem to matter.
Did DeSantis vet pictures taken of him when he was a teacher partying with young students?
Did DeSantis vet the providers of a fundraiser, that included Maderna lobbyist Marc Lampkin, who is registered as a foreign agent for a Chinese semi-conductor manufacturer. This dude was also was registered as working for AbbVie, a pharmaceutical company that produces puberty blocker Lupron, from 2014.

You think Trump didn't vet his non-disclosure to a porn star? Again, doesn't seem to matter.
I'm sure Trump DIDN'T carefully vet his phone call yet was impeached over it. Doesn't seem to matter.
Did Pence carefully vet his removal of so-called "confidential" documents to take home? Did Biden? Doesn't seem to matter because their name didn't end with Trump.

The difference is that the name "Trump" is at the end of one of the persons we are talking about.

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No doubt they will continue to come for DeSantis and they already have. DeSantis just runs a much, much tighter ship and has a demeanor that is a lot harder to build sentiment against him. Trump is an easy guy to hate and certainly to think of as a liar. He loves to step into it constantly. DeSantis has destroyed the folks who have come after him so far. Sucks though that it is an issue but until we can get someone in there that can actually fix the problem it's going to be there. Trump has already shown he can't do it and his AG and FBI appointments were probably his worst and he surrounded himself constantly with people he couldn't trust. Even now he is talking to his friend Maggie from the NYT thinking THIS time she will treat him fairly.

Science Denier said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Science Denier said:

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aggie93 said:

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Science Denier said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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How does that in anyway indicate what you are claiming?

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Well, apparently if one doesn't stop what he's doing and walk over and give the dude a handshake, he's totally ignoring him and hates WW II veterans.

Didn't you get the memo?

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So you agree DeSantis is getting dragged unfairly? Deal.

It's pretty disgusting when anyone claims DeSantis, who volunteered for the Navy and served in Iraq and Gitmo, is somehow less caring about vet than Trump who did everything he could to avoid service. Trump was good to vets but DeSantis has a STRONG record on vets and actually served. DeSantis has done a LOT for vets in Florida and is always looking for ways to come up to help them out, the recruiting bonuses for ex military to become teachers is a good example.

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Of course I do. Same **** that Trump is dragged into. Wait until the criminal charges start piling up. He's already been hit with one.

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The difference is he doesn't do dumb, unnecessary **** like paying off porn stars, keeping documents he doesn't need to keep or calling the head of elections in Georgia and asking him to "find 11,000 votes." No question the left goes way overboard on most of what they've charged trump with but he definitely makes it easier on them by being an undisciplined idiot.

In contrast, basically everything DeSantis says or does has already been legally vetted and carefully planned internally before they move forward. I think the immigrant stunts are potentially a bad political move because it only motivates people who are already voting for him, but no way they'd be doing this if there was any actual legal danger to it.

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So, DeSantis carefully vetted the flights of illegals from Florida to Martha's Vinyard? Doesn't seem to matter.
Did DeSantis carefully vet the flights of illegals from Florida to California? Again, Doesn't seem to matter.
Did DeSantis vet pictures taken of him when he was a teacher partying with young students?
Did DeSantis vet the providers of a fundraiser, that included Maderna lobbyist Marc Lampkin, who is registered as a foreign agent for a Chinese semi-conductor manufacturer. This dude was also was registered as working for AbbVie, a pharmaceutical company that produces puberty blocker Lupron, from 2014.

You think Trump didn't vet his non-disclosure to a porn star? Again, doesn't seem to matter.
I'm sure Trump DIDN'T carefully vet his phone call yet was impeached over it. Doesn't seem to matter.
Did Pence carefully vet his removal of so-called "confidential" documents to take home? Did Biden? Doesn't seem to matter because their name didn't end with Trump.

The difference is that the name "Trump" is at the end of one of the persons we are talking about.

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I mean, yes. Not sure what point you're trying to make with the first two lines about the flights. Nothing will end up happening to him legally because his team knows there's no standing and made sure of it before the flights were made.

One picture was from what, 20 years ago? No one cares. Trump's fellow democrats already tried to run with it and it didn't go anywhere.

And the donor issue is such a non-story that I hadn't even heard about it, and I typically follow a lot of this stuff.

As for Pence and Biden, they both immediately reported the documents right? Seems like the opposite of what trump did.

Also not really sure why you'd even have a problem with someone calling him an undisciplined moron. I figured that's part of what you trump lemmings like about him.

Looking forward to the next 8 consecutive crylaugh troll posts though.