I thought this was going to be a Durham investigation thread.

The Durham investigation should be revived under the next Republican president.

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Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.

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And he practically worships the "vaccine" even still.

And slams Desantis for how reckless he was in handling Covid.

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Sounds like you need a new pediatrician.

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Don't even need one. Haven't been since.

The boys get physicals thru BS&W at school for athletics. Annual lab work or just the sniffles, at a doc in a box.

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I thought this was going to be a Durham investigation thread.

The Durham investigation should be revived under the next Republican president.

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I'm thinking the Durham files may have been filed next to Seth Rich's notebook
Where is he even at?

geoag58 said:

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I thought this was going to be a Durham investigation thread.

The Durham investigation should be revived under the next Republican president.

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You are welcome to start a Durham thread but please don't derail this one.

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Owlagdad said:

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Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.

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Jesus was only man ever who was perfect. Trump policies were 90% perfect. DeSantis is unproven. I'd love to have the 90% guy again in '24 for 4 more!

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Trump has already proven that some of our rights are situational, and that he's not a fiscal conservative. I'd argue DeSantis already has the better track record. It's just not at the national stage yet.

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The base already agrees with this. Where anti vax messaging will not get a positive response are by the entire pro vax huge group of voters.

The pro vax group despise Desantis more than Trump! Trump actually has this as an advantage over Desantis. So no it's not a double edge sword for him.

Also evil Fauci actually was NEVER for mandates and tyrant rule while Trump was office and said so repeatedly. Trump of course never was as well.

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The "pro vax" group is a small group of hardcore leftists at this point and shrinking by the day as everyone associated with the vax is trying to run from it as fast as they can.

Oh, and the "Fauci was NEVER for mandates" thing is kind of funny. All that does is show how badly Trump got played. Sorry but most of us have very different memories than you do. Trump owns his Covid response and the consequences of what happened due to his trusting in Fauci.

Hey if you think the Pro Vax crowd is how to win the Presidency though I guess that's a take though.

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Wow you sure twisted that with your DeSantis glasses on.

You try to say what you posted is so great for Desantis but it's a double edge sword for Trump - it's not and it's as simple as that!

So did DeSantis call for the firing of Fauci during Trump's presidency……..

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geoag58 said:

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I thought this was going to be a Durham investigation thread.

The Durham investigation should be revived under the next Republican president.

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You are welcome to start a Durham thread but please don't derail this one.

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Yes this is the daily Trump bashing thread by the OP - don't distract from the message LOL

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aggie93 said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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Maybe he did- but did DeSantis adamantly call for the firing of Fauci when Trump was in office?

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Fauci worked for Trump not DeSantis. DeSantis certainly criticized Fauci but I don't recall if he called for his firing. Realize that had he done so he would have been attacking Trump since Trump supported Fauci and DeSantis was very loyal to Trump. It would be inappropriate for DeSantis to do that at that time because of that. I know that DeSantis had many conversations with Trump telling him to stop the lockdowns and to advocate for different policies that Trump ignored.

The larger issue though is once again you are reaching to excuse Trump for failing to lead. Trump was the President, he had the authority and made his choices.

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AGHouston11 said:

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Houstonag said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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Maybe he did- but did DeSantis adamantly call for the firing of Fauci when Trump was in office?

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Fauci worked for Trump not DeSantis. DeSantis certainly criticized Fauci but I don't recall if he called for his firing. Realize that had he done so he would have been attacking Trump since Trump supported Fauci and DeSantis was very loyal to Trump. It would be inappropriate for DeSantis to do that at that time because of that. I know that DeSantis had many conversations with Trump telling him to stop the lockdowns and to advocate for different policies that Trump ignored.

The larger issue though is once again you are reaching to excuse Trump for failing to lead. Trump was the President, he had the authority and made his choices.

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This is laughable!
So Desantis was not in a good position to call for the firing of Fauci LOL

Thanks for making the point.

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So did DeSantis call for the firing of Fauci during Trump's presidency……..

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More importantly, did Trump call for the firing of Fauci during Trump's presidency.......

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aggie93 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Houstonag said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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Maybe he did- but did DeSantis adamantly call for the firing of Fauci when Trump was in office?

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Fauci worked for Trump not DeSantis. DeSantis certainly criticized Fauci but I don't recall if he called for his firing. Realize that had he done so he would have been attacking Trump since Trump supported Fauci and DeSantis was very loyal to Trump. It would be inappropriate for DeSantis to do that at that time because of that. I know that DeSantis had many conversations with Trump telling him to stop the lockdowns and to advocate for different policies that Trump ignored.

The larger issue though is once again you are reaching to excuse Trump for failing to lead. Trump was the President, he had the authority and made his choices.

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This is laughable!
So Desantis was not in a good position to call for the firing of Fauci LOL

Thanks for making the point.

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Publicly? No. DeSantis was a strong supporter of Trump and to do so would have been bad for both Trump and DeSantis.

I mean I suppose you can try to blame DeSantis for supporting Trump publicly but that's kind of a strange take for why it isn't Trump's fault.

FWIW, DeSantis evolved on the issue as well but he took a very different approach. Trump trusted in his advisors and his advisors sucked. Since Trump didn't really understand the issues and he isn't the type to do in depth study on them and he also tended to look for anything he could take credit for his policies were all over the place. His opponents used that to tie him in knots.

DeSantis read thousands of pages of documents on Covid and the law and consulted with a variety of different experts to develop his own strategy and he stuck with it confidently because he educated himself and got he kept his team on the same page. He had no leaks and he spoke with confidence because he had done his homework and made sure he had people around him he could trust.

I do think Trump did the best he could I just think the problem is that wasn't good enough because there are some things Trump just isn't good at. Deep diving on policy and dealing with complex issues isn't his strong suit and Covid showed why that can have severe consequences.

Speaking about the vaccines like it was always the same from day 1 to year 3 is not fair.

If Covid was 20% mortality, you can bet your ass people would have jumped on that train. We did not know what Covid really was at the start because China was lying about it. Trump was absolutely right to work on a vaccine. We should have been testing every possible solution at the start.

There will be another global pandemic. We knew there would eventually be one before Covid. We will need to have some form of response and some form of treatment EVEN IF it is something like ivermectin or some other well known drug.

Both sides acted poorly, but I've come to realize that common sense is clouded by politics and stupidity. You can't even have a rational discussion on what the response should look like, or how you should accept it when the Vaccine doesn't work, or working to find alternative treatments for better outcomes.

If I remember correctly, the Corona, which morphed to Covid started being talked about in December of 19. It started serious breakouts in January and by March of 20, had spread all over USA. first shutdowns were around spring break time. Trump initially said it was nothing serious, but as it grew and panic set in with help of the swamp and media, Trump was in a hell of durned if you do or durned if dont situation. It was a no mans land for us all, and hospitals and politicians took over-- of course led by democrats. I honestly think Trump tried, but it was out of his control. But I think he should have got data early, found deaths were due to pre exisiting conditions, Hammered that most of us would not die, and made a case for opening the country back up. I think country was ready by April or May to open back up..

Went to Florida while Texas was still locked down-- it was glorious!!

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aggie93 said:

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Houstonag said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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Maybe he did- but did DeSantis adamantly call for the firing of Fauci when Trump was in office?

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Fauci worked for Trump not DeSantis. DeSantis certainly criticized Fauci but I don't recall if he called for his firing. Realize that had he done so he would have been attacking Trump since Trump supported Fauci and DeSantis was very loyal to Trump. It would be inappropriate for DeSantis to do that at that time because of that. I know that DeSantis had many conversations with Trump telling him to stop the lockdowns and to advocate for different policies that Trump ignored.

The larger issue though is once again you are reaching to excuse Trump for failing to lead. Trump was the President, he had the authority and made his choices.

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This is laughable!
So Desantis was not in a good position to call for the firing of Fauci LOL

Thanks for making the point.

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Publicly? No. DeSantis was a strong supporter of Trump and to do so would have been bad for both Trump and DeSantis.

I mean I suppose you can try to blame DeSantis for supporting Trump publicly but that's kind of a strange take for why it isn't Trump's fault.

FWIW, DeSantis evolved on the issue as well but he took a very different approach. Trump trusted in his advisors and his advisors sucked. Since Trump didn't really understand the issues and he isn't the type to do in depth study on them and he also tended to look for anything he could take credit for his policies were all over the place. His opponents used that to tie him in knots.

DeSantis read thousands of pages of documents on Covid and the law and consulted with a variety of different experts to develop his own strategy and he stuck with it confidently because he educated himself and got he kept his team on the same page. He had no leaks and he spoke with confidence because he had done his homework and made sure he had people around him he could trust.

I do think Trump did the best he could I just think the problem is that wasn't good enough because there are some things Trump just isn't good at. Deep diving on policy and dealing with complex issues isn't his strong suit and Covid showed why that can have severe consequences.

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See that's the difference I'm NOT trying to blame DeSantis for anything unlike you on a daily basis with the same types of threads!

If Trump would have fired Fauci his hardcore base would have been thrilled AND he would have lost by a large margin. Like I said before even many in the Republican Party would have called for his head and members of congress would have had a meltdown. I even think Article 25 would have been close to happening.

To go back and revise history in favor of Desantis is not a good look. Especially if Desantis never called for the firing of Fauci.

You say well he didn't do it publicly. Exactly so it's an easy position to be in! Had many governors publicly called for the firing of Fauci and Birx he would have had more political capital to do such a thing!

It was an election year. There was no time to recover from something like firing Fauci without widespread support!

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Houstonag said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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What would've been the reaction to Trump by the Democrats if Trump had done this?
1. Every Covid death is hung on him.
2. Third impeachment.
3. He loses reelection.

Covidians were always and will always be on everyone's EAD list.

We only have to look as far as forum 84 to remember.....

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Covidians were always and will always be on everyone's EAD list.

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Yep. Safe. Free. Effective. LOL.

It was insane to me how leftists went from "I will never take a vaccine that Trump helped push through" to "take this vaccine or we will put you in a camp and take away your children"

Just goes to show that they can't think for themselves. They only listen to what their leftist overlords tell them.

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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What would've been the reaction to Trump by the Democrats if Trump had done this?
1. Every Covid death is hung on him.
2. Third impeachment.
3. He loses reelection.

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And you would have had Fauci on 24/7 making sure all of the above would have happened!

And many Republicans would have agreed! Sadly

The time to fire Fauci would have been right after the election if he had won!

As bad as I wanted him to fire Fauci I think he did the right thing at the time.

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And many Republicans would have agreed! Sadly

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Yes, they are the core of the DeSantis supporters.

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And many Republicans would have agreed! Sadly

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Yes, they are the core of the DeSantis supporters.

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Lol. The one guy in the country who actively took the lead on fighting lockdowns and vaccine has a base that supports the opposite of that. Complete fantasy just trying to divide conservatives and incite an emotional response.

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And many Republicans would have agreed! Sadly

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Yes, they are the core of the DeSantis supporters.

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Lmao what? The supporters of the most effective anti-lockdown governor would be mad that trump fired Fauci? Did you even read that before you posted?

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Houstonag said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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What would've been the reaction to Trump by the Democrats if Trump had done this?
1. Every Covid death is hung on him.
2. Third impeachment.
3. He loses reelection.

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Trump went out of his way to defer to Fauci and to raise his profile to be this Nonpartisan, all knowing, genius of medicine. At first that worked great because it gave him cover as he was trying to figure out what to do and he could just roll Fauci out there. Then it worked because for a while Fauci gave him praise and cover for his responsiveness. The problem of course was once Fauci had gotten elevated to God like status and Trump had spent hours and hours praising him he could not kill the Frankenstein he created.

Somehow after Trump was screwed over by every government agency he actually thought it was perfectly fine to trust a guy like Fauci who had been deep in the Swamp before the Reagan era. Now you can blow that off if you want I guess but that was on Trump. He made that choice and he bears the consequences of it. Along with about 100 other smaller mistakes he made in the process.

No doubt it was a very tough situation but Trump was President and he got to make those decisions. Like I said I might be more forgiving if he hadn't actually given Fauci a freaking medal on his way out the door. Kind of hard to say he would have gotten rid of him if he could have when he did that.

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aggie93 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Houstonag said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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Maybe he did- but did DeSantis adamantly call for the firing of Fauci when Trump was in office?

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Fauci worked for Trump not DeSantis. DeSantis certainly criticized Fauci but I don't recall if he called for his firing. Realize that had he done so he would have been attacking Trump since Trump supported Fauci and DeSantis was very loyal to Trump. It would be inappropriate for DeSantis to do that at that time because of that. I know that DeSantis had many conversations with Trump telling him to stop the lockdowns and to advocate for different policies that Trump ignored.

The larger issue though is once again you are reaching to excuse Trump for failing to lead. Trump was the President, he had the authority and made his choices.

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This is laughable!
So Desantis was not in a good position to call for the firing of Fauci LOL

Thanks for making the point.

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Publicly? No. DeSantis was a strong supporter of Trump and to do so would have been bad for both Trump and DeSantis.

I mean I suppose you can try to blame DeSantis for supporting Trump publicly but that's kind of a strange take for why it isn't Trump's fault.

FWIW, DeSantis evolved on the issue as well but he took a very different approach. Trump trusted in his advisors and his advisors sucked. Since Trump didn't really understand the issues and he isn't the type to do in depth study on them and he also tended to look for anything he could take credit for his policies were all over the place. His opponents used that to tie him in knots.

DeSantis read thousands of pages of documents on Covid and the law and consulted with a variety of different experts to develop his own strategy and he stuck with it confidently because he educated himself and got he kept his team on the same page. He had no leaks and he spoke with confidence because he had done his homework and made sure he had people around him he could trust.

I do think Trump did the best he could I just think the problem is that wasn't good enough because there are some things Trump just isn't good at. Deep diving on policy and dealing with complex issues isn't his strong suit and Covid showed why that can have severe consequences.

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See that's the difference I'm NOT trying to blame DeSantis for anything unlike you on a daily basis with the same types of threads!

If Trump would have fired Fauci his hardcore base would have been thrilled AND he would have lost by a large margin. Like I said before even many in the Republican Party would have called for his head and members of congress would have had a meltdown. I even think Article 25 would have been close to happening.

To go back and revise history in favor of Desantis is not a good look. Especially if Desantis never called for the firing of Fauci.

You say well he didn't do it publicly. Exactly so it's an easy position to be in! Had many governors publicly called for the firing of Fauci and Birx he would have had more political capital to do such a thing!

It was an election year. There was no time to recover from something like firing Fauci without widespread support!

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I am not questioning that it was a difficult situation for Trump, easily his most difficult of his Presidency. I truly think he did the best he could. In the end though he was in charge and he made those decisions. He could have done a LOT of things differently but he made his choices.

BTW, the point isn't even to rag on Trump so much as it is that DeSantis can absolutely run on Covid while Trump cannot. DeSantis can talk about how he fought Biden and Fauci day after day to open Florida and resist vaccine mandates and Trump cannot. DeSantis can take all the credit for how successful Florida has been compared to much of the rest of the country while Trump cannot.

Trump essentially needs to act like the period from March 2020-Jan 2021 didn't happen and was just a bad dream. That doesn't take away from what he did from Jan 2017-March 2020 and he did some GREAT things in that time but if he talks about Covid with Biden they both look bad.

I really am trying to be fair with Trump but I'm not going to let his mistakes slide. I also have no problem with issues about DeSantis being called out and he has made a few mistakes as well. Generally though the difference in the two is Trump is a power hitter that comes to the plate and either hits a bomb or he strikes out, it's a giant cut at every pitch no matter where they are. DeSantis is the guy that hits for high average and solid power but almost never swings at a bad pitch and gets on base while making the pitcher work their ass off.

I enjoy Trump, hell I don't know how you couldn't watch clips from that Town Hall and not chuckle or cheer at times. I just don't need to be entertained I want to hire the best employee.

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Houstonag said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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Maybe he did- but did DeSantis adamantly call for the firing of Fauci when Trump was in office?

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Fauci worked for Trump not DeSantis. DeSantis certainly criticized Fauci but I don't recall if he called for his firing. Realize that had he done so he would have been attacking Trump since Trump supported Fauci and DeSantis was very loyal to Trump. It would be inappropriate for DeSantis to do that at that time because of that. I know that DeSantis had many conversations with Trump telling him to stop the lockdowns and to advocate for different policies that Trump ignored.

The larger issue though is once again you are reaching to excuse Trump for failing to lead. Trump was the President, he had the authority and made his choices.

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This is laughable!
So Desantis was not in a good position to call for the firing of Fauci LOL

Thanks for making the point.

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Publicly? No. DeSantis was a strong supporter of Trump and to do so would have been bad for both Trump and DeSantis.

I mean I suppose you can try to blame DeSantis for supporting Trump publicly but that's kind of a strange take for why it isn't Trump's fault.

FWIW, DeSantis evolved on the issue as well but he took a very different approach. Trump trusted in his advisors and his advisors sucked. Since Trump didn't really understand the issues and he isn't the type to do in depth study on them and he also tended to look for anything he could take credit for his policies were all over the place. His opponents used that to tie him in knots.

DeSantis read thousands of pages of documents on Covid and the law and consulted with a variety of different experts to develop his own strategy and he stuck with it confidently because he educated himself and got he kept his team on the same page. He had no leaks and he spoke with confidence because he had done his homework and made sure he had people around him he could trust.

I do think Trump did the best he could I just think the problem is that wasn't good enough because there are some things Trump just isn't good at. Deep diving on policy and dealing with complex issues isn't his strong suit and Covid showed why that can have severe consequences.

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See that's the difference I'm NOT trying to blame DeSantis for anything unlike you on a daily basis with the same types of threads!

If Trump would have fired Fauci his hardcore base would have been thrilled AND he would have lost by a large margin. Like I said before even many in the Republican Party would have called for his head and members of congress would have had a meltdown. I even think Article 25 would have been close to happening.

To go back and revise history in favor of Desantis is not a good look. Especially if Desantis never called for the firing of Fauci.

You say well he didn't do it publicly. Exactly so it's an easy position to be in! Had many governors publicly called for the firing of Fauci and Birx he would have had more political capital to do such a thing!

It was an election year. There was no time to recover from something like firing Fauci without widespread support!

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I am not questioning that it was a difficult situation for Trump, easily his most difficult of his Presidency. I truly think he did the best he could. In the end though he was in charge and he made those decisions. He could have done a LOT of things differently but he made his choices.

BTW, the point isn't even to rag on Trump so much as it is that DeSantis can absolutely run on Covid while Trump cannot. DeSantis can talk about how he fought Biden and Fauci day after day to open Florida and resist vaccine mandates and Trump cannot. DeSantis can take all the credit for how successful Florida has been compared to much of the rest of the country while Trump cannot.

Trump essentially needs to act like the period from March 2020-Jan 2021 didn't happen and was just a bad dream. That doesn't take away from what he did from Jan 2017-March 2020 and he did some GREAT things in that time but if he talks about Covid with Biden they both look bad.

I really am trying to be fair with Trump but I'm not going to let his mistakes slide. I also have no problem with issues about DeSantis being called out and he has made a few mistakes as well. Generally though the difference in the two is Trump is a power hitter that comes to the plate and either hits a bomb or he strikes out, it's a giant cut at every pitch no matter where they are. DeSantis is the guy that hits for high average and solid power but almost never swings at a bad pitch and gets on base while making the pitcher work their ass off.

I enjoy Trump, hell I don't know how you couldn't watch clips from that Town Hall and not chuckle or cheer at times. I just don't need to be entertained I want to hire the best employee.

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You say Trump actually did the best he could BUT then go on to say well it was was wrong ………. Followed by Desantis better.

I think we will just agree on Trump did the best he could - with what was one of the greatest efforts in history to get rid of someone that was not supposed to be in DC.

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They want you to forget they did this.

Do not. Because if given the chance, they would do it again. pic.twitter.com/aheD56Zkvi

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) May 12, 2023

This is also the type of ad DeSantis can run but Trump cannot because he praised the vaccines and he kept Fauci in power. It's a double edged sword for him.

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He helped accelerate the vax approval. Turned out some important guardrails were removed.

But one big difference is he never pursued large scale mandates. Bidens were hideous and authoritarian

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Utterly amazing.

To think we went from that (vid op posted) to (my personal experiences):

May 2021 - our long time pediatrician strongly urging me to get our teenage sons vaccinated for Covid

Sept 2021 - our long time pediatrician not signing off on our (at the time) 15 year old to return to athletics after having Covid (less severe than most colds) without extensive cardio evaluations

Jan 2022 - same pediatrician seeing my now 13 year old and not evening mentioning Covid vaccination

Aug 2022 - me being hospitalized for a week and not one doctor or nurse asking me about my vaccination status

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sounds like you need a new pediatrician

I've identified those around me like this. I'll never trust them again. **** them

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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Maybe he did- but did DeSantis adamantly call for the firing of Fauci when Trump was in office?

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Fauci worked for Trump not DeSantis. DeSantis certainly criticized Fauci but I don't recall if he called for his firing. Realize that had he done so he would have been attacking Trump since Trump supported Fauci and DeSantis was very loyal to Trump. It would be inappropriate for DeSantis to do that at that time because of that. I know that DeSantis had many conversations with Trump telling him to stop the lockdowns and to advocate for different policies that Trump ignored.

The larger issue though is once again you are reaching to excuse Trump for failing to lead. Trump was the President, he had the authority and made his choices.

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This is laughable!
So Desantis was not in a good position to call for the firing of Fauci LOL

Thanks for making the point.

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this may be the most moronic defense of Trump continuing to keep Fauci - Trump is good because Gov DeSantis didn't call for Fauci firing - please explain this stance logically

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aggie93 said:

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They want you to forget they did this.

Do not. Because if given the chance, they would do it again. pic.twitter.com/aheD56Zkvi

— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) May 12, 2023

This is also the type of ad DeSantis can run but Trump cannot because he praised the vaccines and he kept Fauci in power. It's a double edged sword for him.

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He helped accelerate the vax approval. Turned out some important guardrails were removed.

But one big difference is he never pursued large scale mandates. Bidens were hideous and authoritarian

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True. Biden was much, much worse than Trump in every way on Covid and no one is arguing that. The issue is because Trump made a LOT of mistakes (fair or not) it makes it so he can't really attack Biden on any of his Covid policy without and eye roll from most people that aren't hard core Trump supporters. DeSantis has that lane available and he can bludgeon Biden with it over and over. DeSantis also has the HUGE advantage in that most of his actions were when Biden was in office and DeSantis was directly defying him vs Trump obviously was out of power when Biden was in office.

That's absolutely an issue that will connect with Independent voters and women.

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AGHouston11 said:

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aggie93 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Houstonag said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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Maybe he did- but did DeSantis adamantly call for the firing of Fauci when Trump was in office?

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Fauci worked for Trump not DeSantis. DeSantis certainly criticized Fauci but I don't recall if he called for his firing. Realize that had he done so he would have been attacking Trump since Trump supported Fauci and DeSantis was very loyal to Trump. It would be inappropriate for DeSantis to do that at that time because of that. I know that DeSantis had many conversations with Trump telling him to stop the lockdowns and to advocate for different policies that Trump ignored.

The larger issue though is once again you are reaching to excuse Trump for failing to lead. Trump was the President, he had the authority and made his choices.

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This is laughable!
So Desantis was not in a good position to call for the firing of Fauci LOL

Thanks for making the point.

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this may be the most moronic defense of Trump continuing to keep Fauci - Trump is good because Gov DeSantis didn't call for Fauci firing - please explain this stance logically

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Everyone at the time knew Trump couldn't get rid of Fauci. OP makes dig at Trump because he didn't fire Fauci and says Desantis would be better on this issue. The point is Desantis never called for Fauci being fired either. Pretty simple but carry on with the Desantis worship.

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AGHouston11 said:

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aggie93 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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aggie93 said:

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Houstonag said:

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Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.

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No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.

Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.

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Maybe he did- but did DeSantis adamantly call for the firing of Fauci when Trump was in office?

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Fauci worked for Trump not DeSantis. DeSantis certainly criticized Fauci but I don't recall if he called for his firing. Realize that had he done so he would have been attacking Trump since Trump supported Fauci and DeSantis was very loyal to Trump. It would be inappropriate for DeSantis to do that at that time because of that. I know that DeSantis had many conversations with Trump telling him to stop the lockdowns and to advocate for different policies that Trump ignored.

The larger issue though is once again you are reaching to excuse Trump for failing to lead. Trump was the President, he had the authority and made his choices.

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This is laughable!
So Desantis was not in a good position to call for the firing of Fauci LOL

Thanks for making the point.

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this may be the most moronic defense of Trump continuing to keep Fauci - Trump is good because Gov DeSantis didn't call for Fauci firing - please explain this stance logically

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Everyone at the time knew Trump couldn't get rid of Fauci. OP makes dig at Trump because he didn't fire Fauci and says Desantis would be better on this issue. The point is Desantis never called for Fauci being fired either. Pretty simple but carry on with the Desantis worship.

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BS. Of course Trump could have fired Fauci. Firing people is what made him famous. And there is no way that potential political backlash would have stopped him. Do you think the media would have criticized him MORE?

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Utterly amazing.

To think we went from that (vid op posted) to (my personal experiences):

May 2021 - our long time pediatrician strongly urging me to get our teenage sons vaccinated for Covid

Sept 2021 - our long time pediatrician not signing off on our (at the time) 15 year old to return to athletics after having Covid (less severe than most colds) without extensive cardio evaluations

Jan 2022 - same pediatrician seeing my now 13 year old and not evening mentioning Covid vaccination

Aug 2022 - me being hospitalized for a week and not one doctor or nurse asking me about my vaccination status

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Why'd it take so long to change pediatricians?