Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.
This is true. Trump, as much as I love him for exposing the swamp and all the media and government bias, did not remove very much if any of the toxic Obama apparatus of government and we are all now paying the very real price in loss of freedoms as a result.
Trump was, whether he knew it or not, a Strongman that promised to protect us and Make America Great Again, but did not do it in a lasting way.
I have no issue with pursuing the warp speed vaccine project. The issue with vaccines came after Trump when the mandatory aspect came into play. I do have a major issue with how little Trump pushed back on lockdowns and other restrictions
He also did a very poor job of cleansing the executive portion of the swamp. He absolutely could have accomplished FAR more there
This ad did not age well for Trump below. The top ad is Trump going after DeSantis for wanting to eliminate the IRS, the bottom ad is Fauci praising Trump for backing every Covid policy he recommended. Quality stuff he's putting out.
Wrong. Trump had no alternative. It was like FDR dealing with the Manhattan project. He had to go along with the scientist.
No, he could have fired Fauci and got his own guy instead. Take the hit and drive through it. Kemp and DeSantis did that. Sweden did that. South Dakota did that. Trump feared the blowback and in the end the consequences were far worse than if he had just made that move at the beginning or at any point. Giving Fauci a freaking medal right before he left office also destroys any BS narrative that Trump had no choice.
Trump foolishly thought he could go all in with Warp Speed and a vaccine would be developed that would save everyone and he would get the credit. Fauci and others told him as much. He bet big and he bet wrong and the rest of us paid the price. Sorry but he doesn't get a pass.
What would've been the reaction to Trump by the Democrats if Trump had done this? 1. Every Covid death is hung on him. 2. Third impeachment. 3. He loses reelection.
All three pretty much occurred, if you could the NYC indictment and the rape thing as the third impeachment.
To think we went from that (vid op posted) to (my personal experiences):
May 2021 - our long time pediatrician strongly urging me to get our teenage sons vaccinated for Covid
Sept 2021 - our long time pediatrician not signing off on our (at the time) 15 year old to return to athletics after having Covid (less severe than most colds) without extensive cardio evaluations
Jan 2022 - same pediatrician seeing my now 13 year old and not evening mentioning Covid vaccination
Aug 2022 - me being hospitalized for a week and not one doctor or nurse asking me about my vaccination status
To think we went from that (vid op posted) to (my personal experiences):
May 2021 - our long time pediatrician strongly urging me to get our teenage sons vaccinated for Covid
Sept 2021 - our long time pediatrician not signing off on our (at the time) 15 year old to return to athletics after having Covid (less severe than most colds) without extensive cardio evaluations
Jan 2022 - same pediatrician seeing my now 13 year old and not evening mentioning Covid vaccination
Aug 2022 - me being hospitalized for a week and not one doctor or nurse asking me about my vaccination status
I recently listened to a lecture series on the plague. Wiped out 50% of Europe. Some of our citizens act like COVID is similar. Our ancestors are rolling over in their graves.
I recently listened to a lecture series on the plague. Wiped out 50% of Europe. Some of our citizens act like COVID is similar. Our ancestors are rolling over in their graves.
That's why I LOL when people call it a "pandemic".
The global population went UP for God's sake. Pandemics wipe out swaths of people.
We're only talking about three visits in a seven month span. I wasn't offended he tried to get us to have our sons vaxxed for Covid, just about every doctor in the country at the time was pushing it. I got pissed when he wouldn't clear my other kid to return to sports beccause "muh Covid". The last time after that my youngest needed boosters for school and it was just easier to go where his existing records were.
None of that was the point. The point is that out long time and trust doctor went from highly pushing the vaccine for young people to not even mentioning it in a relatively short amount of time. I find that very troubling and so do many doctors I have shared that info with. Further to my point, the docs at the hospital I spent a week at didn't even want to talk about the vaccine at all. It's very telling.
We're only talking about three visits in a seven month span. I wasn't offended he tried to get us to have our sons vaxxed for Covid, just about every doctor in the country at the time was pushing it. I got pissed when he wouldn't clear my other kid to return to sports beccause "muh Covid". The last time after that my youngest needed boosters for school and it was just easier to go where his existing records were.
None of that was the point. The point is that out long time and trust doctor went from highly pushing the vaccine for young people to not even mentioning it in a relatively short amount of time. I find that very troubling and so do many doctors I have shared that info with. Further to my point, the docs at the hospital I spent a week at didn't even want to talk about the vaccine at all. It's very telling.
Yep, a lot of docs were revealed as just following whatever protocols they have been given Either they were too afraid to fight it or they were all in or in most cases they were just robots. Made me really look at medicine and doctors in a very different way than before in terms of trust. If they say something that doesn't make sense or you question do your own research or get a second opinion.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.
Jesus was only man ever who was perfect. Trump policies were 90% perfect. DeSantis is unproven. I'd love to have the 90% guy again in '24 for 4 more!
DeSantis has signed more conservative legislation this week than Trump did in his entire 4 year term. When he took office he won by less than half a percent. Many of his policies have become the model that other states have adopted and last night he literally got Title 42 extended even though he is just the Governor of Florida.
You can say many things about DeSantis but "unproven" is a pretty ridiculous one.
Yes, being a good governor absolutely proves one can be a great president!?. Better check the history on good governors who became president.
Vax and mask controversy is a smoke screen for a US funded Chinese bioweapon that killed millions.
It's been 4 years and not a single shred of accountability anywhere. In 2020 we should have been debating whether China released COVID on purpose or on accident. Instead, many still think it came from a wet market.
Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.
Jesus was only man ever who was perfect. Trump policies were 90% perfect. DeSantis is unproven. I'd love to have the 90% guy again in '24 for 4 more!
DeSantis has signed more conservative legislation this week than Trump did in his entire 4 year term. When he took office he won by less than half a percent. Many of his policies have become the model that other states have adopted and last night he literally got Title 42 extended even though he is just the Governor of Florida.
You can say many things about DeSantis but "unproven" is a pretty ridiculous one.
Yes, being a good governor absolutely proves one can be a great president!?. Better check the history on good governors who became president.
No guarantees from any politician, even Reagan made some huge mistakes. DeSantis is unusual in that he has Congressional and Executive experience to go with a legal and military background, he has an extremely broad perspective for being only 44. His record of accomplishments not only in legislation but in building a political organization is truly impressive. What is even more impressive is he has made so few mistakes and he has been so consistent in his positions.
All we can do is vote for the guy with the best chance to succeed. If Trump wins I will support him to the hilt but I just don't see his path to winning in the General. He HAS to win Georgia and Arizona and they freaking hate him in both states. If he does win I don't see how he can be effective outside of foreign policy and some EO's, he has at least half a dozen GOP Senators including McConnell who will make any legislation of note almost impossible to pass. He still spends so much damn time talking about the past when he needs to focus on the future or on dividing his own Party. He has zero interest in trying to win over Independents or build bridges. I just don't see how that's a good scenario.
I'll admit that I was pleasantly surprised with his performance up until March of 2020 as President though, I'd love to be wrong if he wins somehow.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.
You "don't see his path" because you have been broken by 2020 election fraud.
Jesus was only man ever who was perfect. Trump policies were 90% perfect. DeSantis is unproven. I'd love to have the 90% guy again in '24 for 4 more!
DeSantis has signed more conservative legislation this week than Trump did in his entire 4 year term. When he took office he won by less than half a percent. Many of his policies have become the model that other states have adopted and last night he literally got Title 42 extended even though he is just the Governor of Florida.
You can say many things about DeSantis but "unproven" is a pretty ridiculous one.
Yes, being a good governor absolutely proves one can be a great president!?. Better check the history on good governors who became president.
No guarantees from any politician, even Reagan made some huge mistakes. DeSantis is unusual in that he has Congressional and Executive experience to go with a legal and military background, he has an extremely broad perspective for being only 44. His record of accomplishments not only in legislation but in building a political organization is truly impressive. What is even more impressive is he has made so few mistakes and he has been so consistent in his positions.
All we can do is vote for the guy with the best chance to succeed. If Trump wins I will support him to the hilt but I just don't see his path to winning in the General. He HAS to win Georgia and Arizona and they freaking hate him in both states. If he does win I don't see how he can be effective outside of foreign policy and some EO's, he has at least half a dozen GOP Senators including McConnell who will make any legislation of note almost impossible to pass. He still spends so much damn time talking about the past when he needs to focus on the future or on dividing his own Party. He has zero interest in trying to win over Independents or build bridges. I just don't see how that's a good scenario.
I'll admit that I was pleasantly surprised with his performance up until March of 2020 as President though, I'd love to be wrong if he wins somehow.
Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.
isnt hindsight great
If you sit behind the big chair in the Oval you take on the responsibility. One of my biggest irritations with Trump is hearing him make excuses or blame other constantly. At least DeSantis came out and said he was wrong to back the vaccine and lockdowns early on but he studied the issues and changed his mind and didn't look back. Trump still won't admit his mistakes because to him that shows weakness. To me that just means he is doomed to repeat them.
I mean he called himself the "Father of the vaccine" and brags about how he rushed it to market and worked with Big Pharma to give them a blank check yet he won't take any responsibility for the negative consequences of it. That doesn't mean his intentions weren't good but it does mean he needs to show he messed up and a LOT of people got hurt, otherwise he is just showing his ego is too big. That is such a turnoff for me.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.
Yep. He was Mr. Warp Speed. It's his biggest flaw in my opinion. And people think he's going "to drain the swamp." Whatever. We have a chance to have real competent conservative leadership in the executive branch but let's go with another geriatric. All hail the Geriotocracy!
Look, nobody is draining the Swamp. No one. Trump did the best anyone has ever done against that enemy and he ended up losing as he tried to negotiate with them and show some trust. That trust, in Fauci, was rewarded with him being ousted from the White House.
My guess is that Trump would be a lot less friendly to the Swamp than he was in the last few years of his Presidency...which is what the Swamp also knows. Zero chance they allow Trump to spend one more day as President ever again. Take that however you want...
Trump has a fatal flaw in that he repeatedly invited vipers from the Swamp into bed with him as senior appointees and was then angry and amazed that they bit him.
I admire and support the many good thints that Trump did in office but the Achilles' heel of every narcissist is flattery. Vipers are very good at flattery. Narcissists are very bad at admitting they have been fooled. Hence, we get the long personal attacks on fired appointees wherein Trump disavows the adulatory things he said about these people when he apointed them. The public is treated to Trump's revisionist history as he tells us how horrible the person was and how he disliked them and saw all of their flaws from the very beginning but he appointed the person against his better judgment and was begged to do it by someone else.
I voted for Trump and was very pleasantly surprised by his excellent results in many areas. I will vote for him again if he's the nominee. However, he has serious flaws that he refuses to acknowledge and therefore cannot fix. Our mistakes are the only things we can truly call our own. Trump doesn't admit having made any, even in private. The vaccines are still a positive achievement in his mind because he did it in record time. There is no room for introspection.
— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) May 12, 2023
This is also the type of ad DeSantis can run but Trump cannot because he praised the vaccines and he kept Fauci in power. It's a double edged sword for him.
Man that gets the blood boiling again. What a hellscape they created for us.
The problem is Trump walked right into those traps and doesn't want to admit his mistakes. I get it, those traps were hard to avoid but Trump never learned. He honestly still thinks that pushing for Operation Warp Speed to push through a vaccine by working with big Pharma to skip steps was a great achievement because he was too foolish to realize how it would be turned against him and more importantly against all of us.
Trump ultimately is the one who decided to go along with the idea that the vaccine would save us and let things shift from "Two weeks to slow the spread". He could have made very different choices all along the way and just taken that hit that he was not going to allow the country to destroy itself and the economy he built. He paid lip service to that but he didn't have the guts to make the hard and risky decisions that he would have had to in order to stand up for the right thing. Instead he got sucked in to the daily narrative and the promise that he could be "The Father of the Vaccine" that was going to save us all. He chose poorly and the rest of us paid for it.
Trump's mistake ultimately resulted in me and my wife having to choose to keep our job or get a vaccine we did not need or want. I certainly blame Democrats for that first and foremost but Trump shares some of that blame because his decisions created that path. I can forgive Trump's mistake but I won't ever forget it and it's one of the larger reasons I am ready for DeSantis. Covid was the biggest challenge of Trump's Presidency and in the end he failed us and worse he hasn't even pretended he will take responsibility for his actions. Sorry but that kind of leadership is not acceptable. I'll vote for him over a Democrat but we have a much better option in the GOP Primary.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.
Jesus was only man ever who was perfect. Trump policies were 90% perfect. DeSantis is unproven. I'd love to have the 90% guy again in '24 for 4 more!
DeSantis has signed more conservative legislation this week than Trump did in his entire 4 year term. When he took office he won by less than half a percent. Many of his policies have become the model that other states have adopted and last night he literally got Title 42 extended even though he is just the Governor of Florida.
You can say many things about DeSantis but "unproven" is a pretty ridiculous one.
Yes, being a good governor absolutely proves one can be a great president!?. Better check the history on good governors who became president.
Only one I can think of is Ronald Reagan. Not sure if there were any decent ones further back. The dim govs have been complete disasters...
Ill never forget Trump standing behind Fauci in press conferences. He cratered when we needed him to step up.
Jesus was only man ever who was perfect. Trump policies were 90% perfect. DeSantis is unproven. I'd love to have the 90% guy again in '24 for 4 more!
DeSantis has signed more conservative legislation this week than Trump did in his entire 4 year term. When he took office he won by less than half a percent. Many of his policies have become the model that other states have adopted and last night he literally got Title 42 extended even though he is just the Governor of Florida.
You can say many things about DeSantis but "unproven" is a pretty ridiculous one.
Yes, being a good governor absolutely proves one can be a great president!?. Better check the history on good governors who became president.
Only one I can think of is Ronald Reagan. Not sure if there were any decent ones further back. The dim govs have been complete disasters...
It's kind of a trick question because there aren't a lot of Presidents that are well thought of in the last 100 years. Eisenhower is probably the only other GOP Governor in Reagan's class and he was obviously a military man. You could argue JFK but that's a mixed bag.
The problem is Trump walked right into those traps and doesn't want to admit his mistakes. I get it, those traps were hard to avoid but Trump never learned. He honestly still thinks that pushing for Operation Warp Speed to push through a vaccine by working with big Pharma to skip steps was a great achievement because he was too foolish to realize how it would be turned against him and more importantly against all of us.
Trump ultimately is the one who decided to go along with the idea that the vaccine would save us and let things shift from "Two weeks to slow the spread". He could have made very different choices all along the way and just taken that hit that he was not going to allow the country to destroy itself and the economy he built. He paid lip service to that but he didn't have the guts to make the hard and risky decisions that he would have had to in order to stand up for the right thing. Instead he got sucked in to the daily narrative and the promise that he could be "The Father of the Vaccine" that was going to save us all. He chose poorly and the rest of us paid for it.
Trump's mistake ultimately resulted in me and my wife having to choose to keep our job or get a vaccine we did not need or want. I certainly blame Democrats for that first and foremost but Trump shares some of that blame because his decisions created that path. I can forgive Trump's mistake but I won't ever forget it and it's one of the larger reasons I am ready for DeSantis. Covid was the biggest challenge of Trump's Presidency and in the end he failed us and worse he hasn't even pretended he will take responsibility for his actions. Sorry but that kind of leadership is not acceptable. I'll vote for him over a Democrat but we have a much better option in the GOP Primary.
The problem is Trump walked right into those traps and doesn't want to admit his mistakes. I get it, those traps were hard to avoid but Trump never learned. He honestly still thinks that pushing for Operation Warp Speed to push through a vaccine by working with big Pharma to skip steps was a great achievement because he was too foolish to realize how it would be turned against him and more importantly against all of us.
Trump ultimately is the one who decided to go along with the idea that the vaccine would save us and let things shift from "Two weeks to slow the spread". He could have made very different choices all along the way and just taken that hit that he was not going to allow the country to destroy itself and the economy he built. He paid lip service to that but he didn't have the guts to make the hard and risky decisions that he would have had to in order to stand up for the right thing. Instead he got sucked in to the daily narrative and the promise that he could be "The Father of the Vaccine" that was going to save us all. He chose poorly and the rest of us paid for it.
Trump's mistake ultimately resulted in me and my wife having to choose to keep our job or get a vaccine we did not need or want. I certainly blame Democrats for that first and foremost but Trump shares some of that blame because his decisions created that path. I can forgive Trump's mistake but I won't ever forget it and it's one of the larger reasons I am ready for DeSantis. Covid was the biggest challenge of Trump's Presidency and in the end he failed us and worse he hasn't even pretended he will take responsibility for his actions. Sorry but that kind of leadership is not acceptable. I'll vote for him over a Democrat but we have a much better option in the GOP Primary.
Like clockwork.
So you disagree? Trump was not responsible for any of his decisions as President once the Pandemic hit? His only option was to defer to Fauci and go along with lockdowns and insane spending and to make Fauci elevated to Godlike status?
Look, I think he tried his best but in the end even if you take that approach he was in way over his head and once again got absolutely punked by the Swamp AGAIN and trusted the Swamp AGAIN after it had screwed him for the first 3 years of his Presidency. I can forgive that but Trump also won't admit he made any mistakes so there is no reason to think he won't keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Now if the choice is Trump v Biden that's a no brainer, I'll go get me a MAGA hat. That isn't the choice though, we have another choice of someone that took a very different approach and had success and has shown they understand how to defeat bureaucracy through finding strong and loyal people as well as doing his own homework on issues.
Sorry that bothers you so much but it's just pointing out facts. Trump has a record and while some is great there are some huge black marks there too. Even beyond all of that from a pure political perspective Trump has no ground to stand on in regards to Covid issues which is an issue you can win Independents on while DeSantis can run on it all day because he took such a strong stance against Fauci and Biden and was proven right. Reminds me of the frustration of how Romney was the candidate in '12 when he was one of the few Republicans that couldn't run against Obamacare because he basically had his own version as Governor in Mass. It's about winning.
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
